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Post by mermaidsal on Nov 21, 2008 19:21:00 GMT
His barrister's putting up a much stronger defence than I was expecting, and it seemed like such a smoking gun situation when he was arrested - do we reckon he really might be innocent after all?
Did anyone here meet him at the hospital, as a patient or working with him? What's he like?
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Post by Miniman on Nov 21, 2008 20:35:38 GMT
Yes. My Mum seemed to know of him and worked at North Staffs at the time. Scary experience for all involved on her part. Police raided all departments of computers, warning all who came close to them taking everything apart.
On the whole, she says he was a bright young Doctor capable of much more and being a Junior Neurosurgeon was tipped to be a great surgeon and was one of the Hospitals best assets.
I believe he may actually be innocent as the Police didn't really give him much of a chance did they. Shame if he is innocent, shame on him if he isn't.
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Post by serpico on Nov 21, 2008 20:49:38 GMT
I've not been following this very closely, so can't really comment, however, I wouldn't be surprised if he's innocent, as many of these types of cases tend to be over blown and based on flimsy evidence. As with many of these types of arrests, the evidence against them is sometimes based on what "interrogators" have gleaned from prisoners in places like guantanamo bay, when being tortured, and as it's be proved time and time again, when someone is tortured they will tell you virtually anything to make it stop, so this could be something similar, if someone at gitmo knows this guy, he may have just made some shit up about him to make the torture stop. For example, the "ricin plot". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_Green_ricin_plotalso this debacle- www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/i-was-kicked-after-being-shot-says-terror-raid-muslim-482261.html
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Post by powchirper on Nov 21, 2008 20:58:00 GMT
Sorry Serps but thats utter bollox and you know it.
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Post by serpico on Nov 21, 2008 21:15:36 GMT
Sorry Serps but thats utter bollox and you know it. well, no, actually it isn't bolloks, there has been over 1,200 terror related arrests, and only around 40 actual convictions on terror charges, so on balance many of these types of arrests do turn out to be ... well, Bollocks, as you put it.
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Post by starkiller on Nov 21, 2008 22:54:52 GMT
Also, 7/7 was an inside job and four men were set-up.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 21, 2008 23:08:43 GMT
Sorry Serps but thats utter bollox and you know it. well, no, actually it isn't bolloks, there has been over 1,200 terror related arrests, and only around 40 actual convictions on terror charges, so on balance many of these types of arrests do turn out to be ... well, Bollocks, as you put it. Thats not actually true though, is it Serpico ? What matters in our Criminal Justice System is evidence which is admissable in Court..and this is something that defence-lawyers are employed to pick holes in...so that Judges (Crown Court) or Magistrates have no other option but to dismiss the case due to lack of admissable evidence.. That is not the same as someone being 'innocent'...for all we know all 1,200 people arrested on 'terror-related charges' may be guilty...but proving it is another matter...
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Post by bondygodfatherleek on Nov 23, 2008 2:27:11 GMT
well, no, actually it isn't bolloks, there has been over 1,200 terror related arrests, and only around 40 actual convictions on terror charges, so on balance many of these types of arrests do turn out to be ... well, Bollocks, as you put it. Thats not actually true though, is it Serpico ? What matters in our Criminal Justice System is evidence which is admissable in Court..and this is something that defence-lawyers are employed to pick holes in...so that Judges (Crown Court) or Magistrates have no other option but to dismiss the case due to lack of admissable evidence.. That is not the same as someone being 'innocent'...for all we know all 1,200 people arrested on 'terror-related charges' may be guilty...but proving it is another matter... Good Morning Wizzard, you & chirper have hit it on the head.Now I'll ask you something about serpicock? .Doe's the wee man ever stick up for his country and not terrorists. My 3 lads all live in that tinder box place they call London, When those muslim suicide bombers were about. I was ringing my lads houses their mobile! >:(their fucking works. was I Worried, indeed I was. Where we you sepicock & your mates?,been tipped off again. You treacherous scum. You and your wee bunch of" if it's not happening near me, it can't be happening" Wake up you dam fool. The police have got a hard enough job as it is without all your bullshit. You know the saying" where there's smoke there's fire". You will learn 1 day ,just 1 day
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Post by daverichards on Nov 23, 2008 7:47:19 GMT
"My 3 lads all live in that tinder box place they call London"
Its not a tinder box, unless you're a racist cu.nt
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Post by bondygodfatherleek on Nov 23, 2008 8:51:19 GMT
"My 3 lads all live in that tinder box place they call London" Its not a tinder box, unless you're a racist cu.nt Hello ilford , You have to put the letters together, like this "cunt". now you have a go. No knock on your door yet, plenty time.You know it's a tinderbox, It is a too easy target for your mates. If one came and sat down next to you on a train, with a fuck off rucksack. Wouldn't you be sort of worried. The difference between them and basil brush is : they only go boom once ;D. No warning just boom ;D.Got to go and carry on sorting my Programmes out . see you later, unless you hear a knock on the door .Don't worry though you might be able to get the prick who's representing asha .
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Post by serpico on Nov 23, 2008 14:40:24 GMT
Thats not actually true though, is it Serpico ? What matters in our Criminal Justice System is evidence which is admissable in Court..and this is something that defence-lawyers are employed to pick holes in...so that Judges (Crown Court) or Magistrates have no other option but to dismiss the case due to lack of admissable evidence.. That is not the same as someone being 'innocent'...for all we know all 1,200 people arrested on 'terror-related charges' may be guilty...but proving it is another matter... Good Morning Wizzard, you & chirper have hit it on the head.Now I'll ask you something about serpicock? .Doe's the wee man ever stick up for his country and not terrorists. Yes, thats why unlike you, I am not for doing all the things they want us to do, ie to alienate the muslim community, invade and occupy their countries etc, people such as you are the Islamists greatest ally, every single thing you spout when you talk about "us against them" they are cheering you on. It's quite ironic when you think about it, because if you lived in one of the countries occupied by the US, You would probably be one of the extremists, quite often these people are frothing blind nationalists, such as yourself, ... if you lived in Iraq you'd probably be a member of the Mahdi army resisting the occupation. If you lived in the Gaza strip perhaps you would be driven to join a resistance group opposing the occupation by Israel. Another way to look at it is, .. what would you do if a muslim army invaded England and began building military bases, one of which is as big as the vatican, and perhaps bombed your house by "accident" and wiped out half your family ? For every action there's a equal and opposite reaction, what we're seeing now is the reaction to years and years of US military action in the middle east which stretches back as far as the 1953 CIA/MI6 sponsored covert over throw of Mohammed Mossadeq in Iran, it's called blowback, The unintended consequences of foreign policy and empire, these people are not motiveless nihilist, if that is the case, then why do they attack the US and UK and not, say, Switzerland ? . Contrary to popular belief, history didn't begin on september 11th 2001, and those attacks didn't come out of the clear blue sky, unprovoked. I think thats the problem, quite often the action isn't reported, because it is mostly covert action, so all people like yourself see is the reaction, which leads you to believe it's all one sided aggression, and of course, you probably don't research much further than the headline in the sun newspaper, so you're left with the impression all of this is totally unprovoked. There, that should keep you frothing at the mouth for a few hours. p.s I just know one of you is going to reply "they have already invaded".... no they haven't.
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Post by starkiller on Nov 23, 2008 14:42:31 GMT
Good Morning Wizzard, you & chirper have hit it on the head.Now I'll ask you something about serpicock? .Doe's the wee man ever stick up for his country and not terrorists. Yes, thats why unlike you, I am not for doing all the things they want us to do, ie to alienate the muslim community, invade and occupy there countries etc, people such as you are the Islamists greatest ally, every single thing you spout when you talk about "us against them" they are cheering you on. It's quite ironic when you think about it, because if you lived in one of the countries occupied by the US, You would probably be one of the extremists, quite often these people are frothing blind nationalists, such as yourself, ... if you lived in Iraq you'd probably be a member of the Mahdi army resisting the occupation. If you lived in the Gaza strip perhaps you would be driven to join a resistance group opposing the occupation by Israel. Another way to look at it is, .. what would you do if a muslim army invaded England and began building military bases, one of which is as big as the vatican, and perhaps bombed your house by "accident" and wiped out half your family ? For every action there's a equal and opposite reaction, what we're seeing now is the reaction to years and years of US military action in the middle east which stretches back as far as the 1953 CIA sponsored covert over throw of Mohammed Mossadeq in Iran, it's called blowback, The unintended consequences of foreign policy and empire, these people are not motiveless nihilist, if that is the case, then why do they attack the US and UK and not, say, Switzerland ? . There, that should keep you frothing at the mouth for a few hours. p.s I just know one of you is going to reply "they have already invaded".... no they haven't. Spot on.
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Post by powchirper on Nov 23, 2008 14:54:12 GMT
"My 3 lads all live in that tinder box place they call London" Its not a tinder box, unless you're a racist cu.nt Why is Bondy a racist ? I cant stand loads of nationalities and dont class myself a racist, give me one Bondy or ten pricks like you and your student ***** and Bondy wins hands down. I worked in that shit hole Londonstan for a while and in most parts of the shithole was out of place and couldnt wait to get home to green English fields of the moorlands, and yes it is a tinder box and hopefully you and the rest of the head in the sand brigade get fucked over by these peace lovers one day soon.
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Post by blurtonboy66 on Nov 23, 2008 14:59:39 GMT
Nice one chirps
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 23, 2008 15:36:40 GMT
Yes, thats why unlike you, I am not for doing all the things they want us to do, ie to alienate the muslim community, invade and occupy there countries etc, people such as you are the Islamists greatest ally, every single thing you spout when you talk about "us against them" they are cheering you on. It's quite ironic when you think about it, because if you lived in one of the countries occupied by the US, You would probably be one of the extremists, quite often these people are frothing blind nationalists, such as yourself, ... if you lived in Iraq you'd probably be a member of the Mahdi army resisting the occupation. If you lived in the Gaza strip perhaps you would be driven to join a resistance group opposing the occupation by Israel. Another way to look at it is, .. what would you do if a muslim army invaded England and began building military bases, one of which is as big as the vatican, and perhaps bombed your house by "accident" and wiped out half your family ? For every action there's a equal and opposite reaction, what we're seeing now is the reaction to years and years of US military action in the middle east which stretches back as far as the 1953 CIA sponsored covert over throw of Mohammed Mossadeq in Iran, it's called blowback, The unintended consequences of foreign policy and empire, these people are not motiveless nihilist, if that is the case, then why do they attack the US and UK and not, say, Switzerland ? . There, that should keep you frothing at the mouth for a few hours. p.s I just know one of you is going to reply "they have already invaded".... no they haven't. Spot on. Agreed, well said.
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Post by powchirper on Nov 23, 2008 15:50:49 GMT
And there you were hlf saying how you were "monitoring" Blurtonboy and his ilk, who the fuck do you think you are, its cunt's like you that want "monitoring" you and Sercockipo and the rest of your treacherous band of ostriches, How big you must look to the gullible little girls that look up to you the "monitor"so much for our freedom if you the "monitor" are following our every move.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 23, 2008 16:00:27 GMT
And there you were hlf saying how you were "monitoring" Blurtonboy and his ilk, who the fuck do you think you are, its cunt's like you that want "monitoring" you and Sercockipo and the rest of your treacherous band of ostriches, How big you must look to the gullible little girls that look up to you the "monitor"so much for our freedom if you the "monitor" are following our every move. Not sure what you're going on about here and there's still no need for abusive name calling, it'll get you banned you know. This thread is about Mohammed Asha and not the BNP/NF. There's an organisation called Searchlight, who for many years have been doing brilliant and often dangerous work, shadowing and "monitoring" the fascists in the BNP/NF. I don't see treachery and "ostriches" I see brave people, willing to expose these racist nutters for what they are. Unless of course you agree that racism is ok? FYI, I don't belong to any political party or organisation and haven't for many years, so your inference that I have "gullible litte girls" looking up to me is libelous if it wasn't so laughable. You have your opinion I have mine, that's fine. I happen to think you're wrong and will argue the case on here, all you seem to manage is insult and cheap shots rather than provide me with a reasoned argument.
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Post by blurtonboy66 on Nov 23, 2008 16:11:26 GMT
chiper, Don't get too wound up mate,it aint worth it bud, My association with the nf ended about 25 years ago, tbh,i just found them a money grabbing outfit,always cadging donations off there members, Huddy,you got the wrong end of the stick i think,twas not me at that meeting but a family member,
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 23, 2008 16:39:03 GMT
chiper, Don't get too wound up mate,it aint worth it bud, My association with the nf ended about 25 years ago, tbh,i just found them a money grabbing outfit,always cadging donations off there members, Huddy,you got the wrong end of the stick i think,twas not me at that meeting but a family member, I know you're no longer a member because I remember you saying so on another thread a couple of days ago. I should also say that I had no idea who was at that meeting apart from Griffin and other senior members. To be honest, the BNP/NF back then were very like the militant tendency who infiltrated the labour party, always demanding money. I despised them too and still do.
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Post by blurtonboy66 on Nov 23, 2008 16:57:32 GMT
Huddy, this is not to say i don't hold the same views but like i said to serpico ,this is a democratic board and i respect everyones views no matter what they are,
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 23, 2008 16:59:14 GMT
Huddy, this is not to say i don't hold the same views but like i said to serpico ,this is a democratic board and i respect everyones views no matter what they are, Good on ya...likewise.
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Post by blurtonboy66 on Nov 23, 2008 17:06:53 GMT
Also don't like to see stoke fans falling out with each other, with this season we should all be buzzing, anyway,thats me done for a week as im off to new york in the morning,yippeeeeeeeee!!!!
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Post by powchirper on Nov 23, 2008 17:07:08 GMT
I dont get wound up about political issues i get a bit titsed with some of the bilge thats spouted on here, eg, the no mark prick baghdad dave calling Bondy a racist wtf is that all about Bondy has more black mates than he has any mates, and i cant think who it was as im 137 and me minds slipping a tad put the full details of a man on here and invited other posters to make his life hell, errrrrr a bit of a contradiction there i think, i dont agree with a lot of things but i dont stoop that low, then i get pulled up as a name caller after being called a clown in the first instance, you just cant win with these sort of people.
my post;....dont agree with that blah blah blah
their post;.... this that and the other etc etc you clown ********
my post;.... blah blah blah piss off twat
their post;.... why do you reply with name calling
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Can you see what i mean
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 23, 2008 17:15:33 GMT
Also don't like to see stoke fans falling out with each other, with this season we should all be buzzing, anyway,thats me done for a week as im off to new york in the morning,yippeeeeeeeee!!!! This is true, we all love Stoke City. Enjoy New York, careful trying to take those oatckes through immigration!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 23, 2008 17:19:20 GMT
I dont get wound up about political issues i get a bit titsed with some of the bilge thats spouted on here, eg, the no mark prick baghdad dave calling Bondy a racist wtf is that all about Bondy has more black mates than he has any mates, and i cant think who it was as im 137 and me minds slipping a tad put the full details of a man on here and invited other posters to make his life hell, errrrrr a bit of a contradiction there i think, i dont agree with a lot of things but i dont stoop that low, then i get pulled up as a name caller after being called a clown in the first instance, you just cant win with these sort of people. my post;....dont agree with that blah blah blah their post;.... this that and the other etc etc you clown ******** my post;.... blah blah blah piss off twat their post;.... why do you reply with name calling ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Can you see what i mean It was wrong of me to suggest making Nick Griffins life a "misery" on a public messageboard. His address just like Alby Walkers, is freely available on the internet, so I didn't think that was wrong. If I am, I'm big enough to stand corrected and apologise. These issues always create emotive responses and calling you a clown was wrong of me, sorry.
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Post by bondygodfatherleek on Nov 23, 2008 20:37:30 GMT
I dont get wound up about political issues i get a bit titsed with some of the bilge thats spouted on here, eg, the no mark prick baghdad dave calling Bondy a racist wtf is that all about Bondy has more black mates than he has any mates, and i cant think who it was as im 137 and me minds slipping a tad put the full details of a man on here and invited other posters to make his life hell, errrrrr a bit of a contradiction there i think, i dont agree with a lot of things but i dont stoop that low, then i get pulled up as a name caller after being called a clown in the first instance, you just cant win with these sort of people. my post;....dont agree with that blah blah blah their post;.... this that and the other etc etc you clown ******** my post;.... blah blah blah piss off twat their post;.... why do you reply with name calling ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Can you see what i mean Chirper, I,ve sorted my programmes out now , serpicock I'm ready . I don't need anybody stick up for me Chirper no offense , you know I don't ;D ;D. sepicock I've skimmed through you article , and that's what it is, an article . No name calling, you justify 9/11 attack by stating ,not unprovoked . I've printed your post out and sending it to an American pal of mine , and guess what he's black .You will be more than frothing about the mouth when his mates see what you have wrote & other post's you have so nicely written. They are based over here, they are our allies remember. A not Racist Bondy , A not frightened Bondy , Feeling a lot better ,for your silly posts Bondy . And i hope you will be judged fairly Bondy ;D. Like your muslim mates would judge . Oh and I can't really end without pleasantries to you Udders, ed and the rest of your fucking filthy commie bastards. Have me taken off. and you should be taken off. if any barrister were to see your bullshit you would all be taken off, I'm afraid somewhere not so cosy. Yours Bondy.
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Post by serpico on Nov 23, 2008 21:34:14 GMT
I dont get wound up about political issues i get a bit titsed with some of the bilge thats spouted on here, eg, the no mark prick baghdad dave calling Bondy a racist wtf is that all about Bondy has more black mates than he has any mates, and i cant think who it was as im 137 and me minds slipping a tad put the full details of a man on here and invited other posters to make his life hell, errrrrr a bit of a contradiction there i think, i dont agree with a lot of things but i dont stoop that low, then i get pulled up as a name caller after being called a clown in the first instance, you just cant win with these sort of people. my post;....dont agree with that blah blah blah their post;.... this that and the other etc etc you clown ******** my post;.... blah blah blah piss off twat their post;.... why do you reply with name calling ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Can you see what i mean Chirper, I,ve sorted my programmes out now , serpicock I'm ready . I don't need anybody stick up for me Chirper no offense , you know I don't ;D ;D. sepicock I've skimmed through you article , and that's what it is, an article . No name calling, you justify 9/11 attack by stating ,not unprovoked . I didn't say it was justified, you're building straw man arguments again, there is a whole world of difference between justifying something and understanding why something occurs, as I said, for every action there is a opposite and equal reaction, the 9/11 attacks were first and foremost retaliatory attacks, motivated by the foreign policy of Bill Clinton, namely his bombing campaign in Iraq, which averaged at 1 bombing every 3 days, and the brutal sanctions, which killed over 1 million people, there are were other things such as military bases in saudi Arabia, and the US's un-flinching support of Israel even through some of there worst atrocities. I personally do not agree with attacking innocent people and punishing them for what their government does, thats why I think the 9/11 attacks were a disgusting and reprehensible act of mass murder, but if you don't identify why these types of things happen, or prefer, like yourself, to ignore the core reasons, then how are you supposed to stop it from happening again ?... well the response to 9/11 has pretty well guaranteed it will happen again, because you don't solve a problem by using the same method that caused it, common sense tell you that much, thats why terrorism has risen some 10 fold since the invasion of Iraq, which by the way, Tony Blair was warned about by the intelligence community pre Iraq invasion, he chose to ignore the warning, but why wouldn't he ? he's probably got the best security money can buy, the rest of us will have to take our chances. Your commie comment is a sure sign of projection, if anyone read our posts and had to decide who the pinko was, it'd surely be you..... me, I'm more of a anarchist
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Post by powchirper on Nov 23, 2008 21:42:10 GMT
Ive given up on this thread now and will just be concentrating all my pent up anti-establishment dung-beetle thoughts to anything DullfordDick comes out with. ;D Hurry up and start a new thread on something i know a bit about, like moving bits of dung that are at least 100 times bigger than me.
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Post by bondygodfatherleek on Nov 23, 2008 22:00:44 GMT
Chirper, I,ve sorted my programmes out now , serpicock I'm ready . I don't need anybody stick up for me Chirper no offense , you know I don't ;D ;D. sepicock I've skimmed through you article , and that's what it is, an article . No name calling, you justify 9/11 attack by stating ,not unprovoked . I didn't say it was justified, you're building straw man arguments again, there is a whole world of difference between justifying something and understanding why something occurs, as I said, for every action there is a opposite and equal reaction, the 9/11 attacks were first and foremost retaliatory attacks, motivated by the foreign policy of Bill Clinton, namely his bombing campaign in Iraq, which averaged at 1 bombing every 3 days, and the brutal sanctions, which killed over 1 million people, there are were other things such as military bases in saudi Arabia, and the US's un-flinching support of Israel even through some of there worst atrocities. I personally do not agree with attacking innocent people and punishing them for what their government does, thats why I think the 9/11 attacks were a disgusting and reprehensible act of mass murder, but if you don't identify why these types of things happen, or prefer, like yourself, to ignore the core reasons, then how are you supposed to stop it from happening again ?... well the response to 9/11 has pretty well guaranteed it will happen again, because you don't solve a problem by using the same method that caused it, common sense tell you that much. Your commie comment is a sure sign of projection, if anyone read our posts and had to decide who the pinko was, it'd surely be you..... me, I'm more of a anarchist Never mind now, To late . :(I,ve already sent my letter,when I took my daughter work. You can ty with your big fat words to wriggle out of this one , but I don't think i's going to work on my mate >:(in the U S Airforce . Be good now you hear!
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Post by serpico on Nov 23, 2008 22:15:18 GMT
I didn't say it was justified, you're building straw man arguments again, there is a whole world of difference between justifying something and understanding why something occurs, as I said, for every action there is a opposite and equal reaction, the 9/11 attacks were first and foremost retaliatory attacks, motivated by the foreign policy of Bill Clinton, namely his bombing campaign in Iraq, which averaged at 1 bombing every 3 days, and the brutal sanctions, which killed over 1 million people, there are were other things such as military bases in saudi Arabia, and the US's un-flinching support of Israel even through some of there worst atrocities. I personally do not agree with attacking innocent people and punishing them for what their government does, thats why I think the 9/11 attacks were a disgusting and reprehensible act of mass murder, but if you don't identify why these types of things happen, or prefer, like yourself, to ignore the core reasons, then how are you supposed to stop it from happening again ?... well the response to 9/11 has pretty well guaranteed it will happen again, because you don't solve a problem by using the same method that caused it, common sense tell you that much. Your commie comment is a sure sign of projection, if anyone read our posts and had to decide who the pinko was, it'd surely be you..... me, I'm more of a anarchist Never mind now, To late . :(I,ve already sent my letter,when I took my daughter work. You can ty with your big fat words to wriggle out of this one , but I don't think i's going to work on my mate >:(in the U S Airforce . Be good now you hear! Bondy, I'm glad you sent it to him, I personally do not give a flying shit ;D although if I knew you were going to do that I would have put more detail into it and perhaps he would agree with me, ... unlike you, who it seems is in incapable of making any type of distinction between explaining why a phenomenon occurs/critical thinking and being sympathetic to the insurgents, and anyone who does, you think should be automatically sent off to one of the US's god forsaken torture salt pit dungeons they keep at Bagram airbase and various other locations in the world..
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