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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 29, 2008 21:46:00 GMT
Obviously legendary status is attained easily in some supporters eyes. I once won a penalty competition in the Peter Beagrie Fan Club so I suppose I can look forward to being added to your list of Legends? BSR, it's completely impossible to mention Sidebe's name on this message board without some sneering comment from you. I've pointed this out a few times but never got a response, so here goes again: Without Mama last season we would definitely not have gone up - this is borne out by the fact that, as a general rule, we won when Mama played. We lost when he didn't. The stats are overwhelming. He also put in 100% every single game, and all you can offer is cheap criticism. See I don't dislike Mama but I honestly feel that promotion was won in spite of him and not because of him (I know in the end the Brizzle game was crucial but that was one game.) If we'd have had another decent striker who could score, I honestly believe we'd have pissed the Championship by several points.
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Post by StokieSideAss on Jul 29, 2008 21:46:07 GMT
Totally agree RAF, Mama's a nice guy but he's only just good enough for the champ never mind the prem. £500,000 a good price I think
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 29, 2008 21:46:21 GMT
I just had a "Don't sell Mama thread" removed!! It has not been put in the shit bin as it had plenty of replies but it has been removed completely why is that? It's in the Wheel Storage Centre mate.
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jul 29, 2008 21:50:45 GMT
I just had a "Don't sell Mama thread" removed!! It has not been put in the shit bin as it had plenty of replies but it has been removed completely why is that? It's in the Wheel Storage Centre mate. Thank's Mate. Sorry I didn't realise we had allready had a "don't sell Mama thread". Can anyone give me a link as I would like to reply?
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 29, 2008 21:50:54 GMT
BSR, it's completely impossible to mention Sidebe's name on this message board without some sneering comment from you. I've pointed this out a few times but never got a response, so here goes again: Without Mama last season we would definitely not have gone up - this is borne out by the fact that, as a general rule, we won when Mama played. We lost when he didn't. The stats are overwhelming. He also put in 100% every single game, and all you can offer is cheap criticism. See I don't dislike Mama but I honestly feel that promotion was won in spite of him and not because of him (I know in the end the Brizzle game was crucial but that was one game.) If we'd have had another decent striker who could score, I honestly believe we'd have pissed the Championship by several points. Well, ok - so we've got pure conjecture that if we'd had Tevez up front we would've won the Championship. Well, you don't say. We also have statistics, and the fact is that if Mama had played in every game (based on average points gained when he played), we also would have pissed the Championship by several points.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 29, 2008 21:52:25 GMT
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 29, 2008 21:54:18 GMT
I somehow think there are a few players in the quality stakes between Mama and Tevez though so I don't see your point ??? All I'm saying is that a 10-12 goal Championship striker would have seen us win the league easily, now that's not conjecture that's fact.
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jul 29, 2008 21:58:45 GMT
Very funny but we had a Mama to cardiff thread the other week but this thread has not been wheeled! I just want to know the boards veiw on whether he should be sold or not. Is that so bad?
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 29, 2008 21:59:11 GMT
I somehow think there are a few players in the quality stakes between Mama and Tevez though so I don't see your point ??? All I'm saying is that a 10-12 goal Championship striker would have seen us win the league easily, now that's not conjecture that's fact. It's also obvious. I also wish we'd had another striker to replace Fuller, one who would have scored 30. But we didn't have one. When Mama played, we picked up points. When he didn't, we didn't. I don't see how it can be explained any simpler.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2008 22:00:10 GMT
Very funny but we had a Mama to cardiff thread the other week but this thread has not been wheeled! I just want to know the boards veiw on whether he should be sold or not. Is that so bad? It's being discussed at length here though mate, so we didn't need another.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 29, 2008 22:00:31 GMT
Very funny but we had a Mama to cardiff thread the other week but this thread has not been wheeled! I just want to know the boards veiw on whether he should be sold or not. Is that so bad? I think we can safely say that your needs will be met by this thread.
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Post by StokieSideAss on Jul 29, 2008 22:03:19 GMT
Potterlog are you saying that Stoke are a better team with Sidibie than without?
Does that mean you think he should be in the starting line up this season?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 29, 2008 22:06:25 GMT
I somehow think there are a few players in the quality stakes between Mama and Tevez though so I don't see your point ??? All I'm saying is that a 10-12 goal Championship striker would have seen us win the league easily, now that's not conjecture that's fact. It's also obvious. I also wish we'd had another striker to replace Fuller, one who would have scored 30. But we didn't have one. When Mama played, we picked up points. When he didn't, we didn't. I don't see how it can be explained any simpler. Not really as you went from reality to fantasy in one go. We obviously can't sign a Tevez but we could have signed a 12 goal a season striker. Like I say I don't dislike Mama but I prefer performances from players as opposed to winning team statistics of individuals and that means goals and assists. Mama set up 5 goals and scored four, I would think that wouldn't be hard to beat. One man doesn't make a team so the stat about us winning when he plays is over rated in my opinion. If he'd got say 15 assists and 12 goals then you'd be bang on but he didn't and he's not really likely to. He will be a useful player to have on the bench in the Prem but I can't see him starting more than 7 or 8 games next season.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 29, 2008 22:08:52 GMT
Potterlog are you saying that Stoke are a better team with Sidibie than without? Does that mean you think he should be in the starting line up this season? No, I'm saying Stoke were a better team with Sidibe than without last season. I expect that to change this term.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2008 22:09:19 GMT
There's more to it than that though Jamo - Mama's hold up play provided a shield for the midfield and defence and when he didn't play, the ball tended to ping back at us and put us under pressure. This is a big reason why we suffered when he didn't play.
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Post by BuzzB on Jul 29, 2008 22:09:42 GMT
Potterlog are you saying that Stoke are a better team with Sidibie than without? Does that mean you think he should be in the starting line up this season? the stats prove it. like him or not we are far more effective with him in the side.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 29, 2008 22:09:51 GMT
Not really as you went from reality to fantasy in one go. We obviously can't sign a Tevez but we could have signed a 12 goal a season striker. Like I say I don't dislike Mama but I prefer performances from as opposed to winning team statistics of individuals and that means goals and assists. Mama set up 5 goals and scored four, I would think that wouldn't be hard to beat. One man doesn't make a team so the stat about us winning when he plays is over rated in my opinion. If he'd got say 15 assists and 12 goals then you'd be bang on but he didn't and he's not really likely to. He will be a useful player to have on the bench in the Prem but I can't see him starting more than 7 or 8 games next season. Can't disagree with much of that chief, although I still feel he was vital to our campaign last year and I don't think we would have gone up without him.
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Post by StokieSideAss on Jul 29, 2008 22:12:01 GMT
Surely then if he isnt good enough for the prem (which we all know he isnt) and were going to replace him with a better version of him e.g Harewood, Zigic. Theres no point in keeping him
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 29, 2008 22:12:59 GMT
There's more to it than that though Jamo - Mama's hold up play provided a shield for the midfield and defence and when he didn't play, the ball tended to ping back at us and put us under pressure. This is a big reason why we suffered when he didn't play. I know that mate, but there's players who can do that donkey work and still net a few as well. There's no questioning his work ethic and the season before I thought he had a very decent year, I thought though he looked a shadow of the marauding player he was (even before his Mali incident) Mama is at his best when he's bullying centre halves but I don't think he did enough of that last season in my opinion, if that side of his game isn't there then he isn't doing the job for me.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 29, 2008 22:13:31 GMT
Surely then if he isnt good enough for the prem (which we all know he isnt) and were going to replace him with a better version of him e.g Harewood, Zigic. Theres no point in keeping him He could be useful as a sub. Besides, there's no guarantee we're going to sign anyone else is there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2008 22:15:08 GMT
We need four strikers in the squad - Say we bring in another quality forward - that gives us whoever plus Fuller, Kitson and either Mama, Parkin or Pericard. Obviously the latter's not an option, so we can either hope that Parkin breaks the habit of a lifetime and gets his arse in gear and sell Mama, or keep Mama as option number four.
Putting any faith in Parkin at all is a massive gamble.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 29, 2008 22:16:20 GMT
Surely then if he isnt good enough for the prem (which we all know he isnt) and were going to replace him with a better version of him e.g Harewood, Zigic. Theres no point in keeping him He could be useful as a sub. Besides, there's no guarantee we're going to sign anyone else is there. Jesus PL, don't say that! I had enough breathing difficulty when I saw the line up tonight without you saying that!!
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Post by StokieSideAss on Jul 29, 2008 22:18:15 GMT
TBH I think we need another 2 plus Kitson and Fuller
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Post by Hiram on Jul 29, 2008 22:20:40 GMT
quote]I don't see how it can be explained any simpler.[/quote or more simply...
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Post by lordb on Jul 29, 2008 22:21:50 GMT
every player has his price but £500k for Mama is way too low
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 30, 2008 4:57:12 GMT
quote]I don't see how it can be explained any simpler.[/quote or more simply... Wow, first time I've been apprehended by the Grammar Police on here, and it was for using a comparative adjective instead of a comparative adverb. Bang to rights though, it's a fair cop and all that...
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 30, 2008 5:00:44 GMT
He could be useful as a sub. Besides, there's no guarantee we're going to sign anyone else is there. Jesus PL, don't say that! I had enough breathing difficulty when I saw the line up tonight without you saying that!! Yeah but we won...so logic tells us we don't need any more signings...! ;D
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Post by mitchandtitch on Jul 30, 2008 7:03:56 GMT
No way - this cant be true
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Post by Spiderman on Jul 30, 2008 7:28:16 GMT
"Sidibe to Huddersfield" I wonder if he needs help to pack and a lift? I'll gladly offer.
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Post by pez75 on Jul 30, 2008 7:40:15 GMT
Fook me - this could be potentially as significant as signing a new player - please please let it be true.
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