ldp05
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Post by ldp05 on Jul 6, 2008 20:41:29 GMT
Serpico : Oh yeah ... Like they continue to blow up women and kids .... Hiding their bombs under burka's and in prams. Yeah they are really brave. By the way I loathe the yanks too but I'm not blind to the cowardice of Islamic extremists. They ? you mean the tiny minuscule minority of the 1 billion muslims who become radicalized due to US foreign policy towards there country, and decide to become a suicide bomber ? What can be more cowardly than dropping bombs on people from thousands of feet ?, to me there is no difference in a US/UK fighter pilot dropping bombs on innocent people than someone strapping a bomb to themselves and detonating it in a tube station, both kill innocent people, both are dastardly acts .... i know somebody is going to throw the plausible deniability canard at me and say "it's collateral damage", well that doesn't cut it for me, there both the same. The sympathisers have arrived.
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Post by mistersausage on Jul 6, 2008 23:28:03 GMT
Serpico : They are so very brave and clever that they kill their own in the process. I know some allies die in'friendly fire' but these deluded and brainwashed subhumans actually detonate their cowardly devices in the full knowledge of what they are about to do.
Unsurprising really when you consider how ill treated females are in their warped form of reality.
They don't even have the testicular fortitude to show their faces.
The Koran (wrong spelling I know) is warped and under the legislation of this country should already be banned as it promotes religious intolerance, hatred, and violence.
Then again .... The authorities don't have the balls to act do they.
The public will do that eventually when they have had enough of this shit.
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Post by BrianLeicsStokie on Jul 7, 2008 8:09:45 GMT
If people want to piss about with allah or god knows who else do it somewhere where you're not affecting me, we get this shite rammed down our throats all the fucking time with muslims who aren't happy etc etc if they don't like it they can fuck off Muslims = terrorist scum = OUT (pretty easy arithmatic)
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Jul 7, 2008 10:35:28 GMT
One has just emailed Jon Gaunt on tlksport. He is talking about it now on his radio show ;D
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Post by serpico on Jul 7, 2008 10:45:06 GMT
They ? you mean the tiny minuscule minority of the 1 billion muslims who become radicalized due to US foreign policy towards there country, and decide to become a suicide bomber ? What can be more cowardly than dropping bombs on people from thousands of feet ?, to me there is no difference in a US/UK fighter pilot dropping bombs on innocent people than someone strapping a bomb to themselves and detonating it in a tube station, both kill innocent people, both are dastardly acts .... i know somebody is going to throw the plausible deniability canard at me and say "it's collateral damage", well that doesn't cut it for me, there both the same. The sympathisers have arrived. Fuck you, i want Bin Laden dead as much as the next man, did you even bother to read my posts ?, we should have gone to Afghanistan found Bin Laden and slit his throat open, instead what we have done is EXACTLY what he wanted, and gave him the added bonus of the Iraq war, a country and government who had nothing to do with 9/11 and has never attacked us, EVER. If you can't distinguish between understanding why they attack and being sympathetic to them then you should stay out of the debate.
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Post by bossthemidfield on Jul 7, 2008 11:03:15 GMT
ENOCH POWELL WAS RIGHT.
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Post by knowingeye on Jul 7, 2008 11:48:11 GMT
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Post by serpico on Jul 7, 2008 12:21:51 GMT
He was very right, far far right ;D although he was to the left on gay rights issues, interesting
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2008 12:22:25 GMT
Is this a conspiracy?
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Post by serpico on Jul 7, 2008 13:12:04 GMT
A conspiracy is when 2 or more people get together to conspire, IE like when George Bush met with Tony Blair to discuss ways of luring saddam into an act that would justify a attack on Iraq, because they knew that there was no smoking gun evidence that he had wmd's.
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Post by SegaMegaDave on Jul 7, 2008 13:16:05 GMT
what do smoking guns have to do with the fact that Saddam Hussain hid all of Iraq's nuclear arsenal in a secret bunker dug underneath his mates garden gazebo?
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Post by Miniman on Jul 7, 2008 14:55:00 GMT
You have to be logged in to view it mate....
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Jul 7, 2008 15:40:20 GMT
Religion is about choice and no one should be forced into anything.
Personally id tell all muslims to sling their hooks. They are completely anti british in everything they do. Have you ever once in your like seen an asian driving a british made car? A Ford or Rover? No! They all buy asian made cars such as nissan or toyota. Why? Why do they choose to segregate thgemselves from everyone and form their own little ghettos like shelton or cobridge? And yet we are the ones who are racist!! Makes me sick!!
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ldp05
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Post by ldp05 on Jul 7, 2008 17:44:10 GMT
The sympathisers have arrived. Fuck you, i want Bin Laden dead as much as the next man, did you even bother to read my posts ?, we should have gone to Afghanistan found Bin Laden and slit his throat open, instead what we have done is EXACTLY what he wanted, and gave him the added bonus of the Iraq war, a country and government who had nothing to do with 9/11 and has never attacked us, EVER. If you can't distinguish between understanding why they attack and being sympathetic to them then you should stay out of the debate. Bollocks to that, what you're saying is nothing to do with the debate. Correct me if im wrong but wasnt "Muslims bombing people" brought up? Not America, so why the fuck did you bring it up? I mean for fucks sake, Britain and America hunting down terrorists (of which their is an endless amount) and putting an end to a dictatorship, what are they thinking? Cant we just all agree, that there is no place for Islam in a normal, western, civilised society? Even after them quotes i posted further up the page, there'll still be the blinkered, rainbow flag waving, unrealistic pop tarts that will jump to the defence of the Stone Age manufactured scum.
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Post by serpico on Jul 7, 2008 18:13:38 GMT
Fuck you, i want Bin Laden dead as much as the next man, did you even bother to read my posts ?, we should have gone to Afghanistan found Bin Laden and slit his throat open, instead what we have done is EXACTLY what he wanted, and gave him the added bonus of the Iraq war, a country and government who had nothing to do with 9/11 and has never attacked us, EVER. If you can't distinguish between understanding why they attack and being sympathetic to them then you should stay out of the debate. Bollocks to that, what you're saying is nothing to do with the debate.
Correct me if im wrong but wasnt "Muslims bombing people" brought up? Not America, so why the fuck did you bring it up? The debate evolved, keep up. I mean for fucks sake, Britain and America hunting down terrorists (of which their is an endless amount) and putting an end to a dictatorship, what are they thinking?
We haven't been "hunting down" terrorists since at least the end of 2001, when we gave up hunting terrorists decided to attack Iraq instead, Also Britains and Americas foreign policy is the reason why there is an endless amount of terrorists, no doubt Bin ladens recruitment got a huge spike after "Operation Iraqi Liberation" (OIL) began, we're creating more terrorists than we're killing, thats a fact. Cant we just all agree, that there is no place for Islam in a normal, western, civilised society? Even after them quotes i posted further up the page, there'll still be the blinkered, rainbow flag waving, unrealistic pop tarts that will jump to the defence of the Stone Age manufactured scum. I can agree that there is no place for the tiny minority of muslims who want to kill innocent people, just the same as our political parties should have no place for radical politicians like Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, who are hell bent on turning all 1.3 billion muslims against us with a brutal foreign policy thats helped kill 1 million Iraqis, a country that has never attacked us, never threatened to attack us and posed no threat what so ever to us.
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Post by ldp05 on Jul 7, 2008 20:39:37 GMT
Fair play fella, made me giggle then. As much as i despise Blair and Brown, they are hardly radicals!
As to Muslims "posing no threat whatsoever", didnt 9/11 spark the invasion of Iraq/Afghanistan?
Wooo wait a sec, is there a conspiracy theory coming on? ;D
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Post by serpico on Jul 7, 2008 21:40:50 GMT
Fair play fella, made me giggle then. As much as i despise Blair and Brown, they are hardly radicals! As to Muslims "posing no threat whatsoever", didnt 9/11 spark the invasion of Iraq/Afghanistan? Wooo wait a sec, is there a conspiracy theory coming on? ;D I never said Muslims don't pose a threat, i said IRAQ posed no threat to us, a very tiny minority of muslims pose a threat, they're not all the same, like us they are individuals. Iraq / Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11, neither did the Taliban or Afghanistan, 15 of the 19 hijackers came from saudi arabia, Afghanistan's only crime was that Bin laden happened to be in that country at the time of 9/11. And why is Tony Blair not considered a radical ? no other prime minister in our history has committed troops into battle more times than Blair has, and this from a man who had ZERO foreign policy experience prior to taking office, he lied through his teeth and has sent British soldiers to die on a pack of lies, and has wasted millions and millions of our tax money on this disastrous war which has only stirred up more hatred towards us and has put us at risk of more terror attacks in this country.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jul 7, 2008 22:34:17 GMT
It's easy for the government to cover things up, watch V for Vendetta (my avatar) and you see how easy it is. Also, it shows how the British people will eventually tire of it.
On the original subject though, it is shocking that they were given detention for that. In this day in age, now that science and more educated minds have proved what bullshit religion is, religious education shouldn't really have any place in public schools. There are much more important subjects that could be taught in the time that religious education takes place. Having seen the behaviour of primary school kids lately, an hour of being taught manners wouldn't go amiss, but now i'm just digressing from the topic in question.
I'm fortunate to live in a town that isn't over populated with Pakis. Maybe i am racist, but i just don't like their attitude to this country and life in general.
One final point, or polite request even. To all those criticising Tony Blair, George Bush, and their respective governments. Please can you come up with an idea of how to get rid of terrorism?
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Post by serpico on Jul 7, 2008 23:29:04 GMT
One final point, or polite request even. To all those criticising Tony Blair, George Bush, and their respective governments. Please can you come up with an idea of how to get rid of terrorism? Easy, stop participating in it.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jul 8, 2008 0:24:53 GMT
Serps,
While i'm not entirely convinced that the war with Iraq is a good idea or not, i doubt that whether we had entered it or not would have had much effect on the terrorism committed by Muslims. Quite frankly, they're nuts, with weak minds to believe in religion and they act off these beliefs believing they are to gain from killing themselves and others. It's got to the point where pulling out of the war wouldn't help to stop terrorism.
Religion takes a weak mind for it to be believed in, but once believed in, religion can be very strong.
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Post by knowingeye on Jul 8, 2008 10:02:01 GMT
www.thesentinel.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=158315&command=displayContent&sourceNode=231463&home=yes&more_nodeId1=158318&contentPK=21036967TEACHER SUSPENDED OVER ALLAH PRAYER ROWEMMA KING EMMA.KING@THESENTINEL.CO.UK 07:40 - 08 July 2008 A teacher has been suspended following reports that pupils were given detention for refusing to kneel and pray to Allah. Education chiefs have launched an investigation into the allegations which relate to two boys from Year Seven at Alsager School. The pupils are said to have refused to take part in a practical demonstration of how Allah was worshipped during a religious studies lesson and were told they were being 'disrespectful' to the prophet. A school spokesman said Alison Phillips, head of RE, had been suspended after she allegedly disciplined the Year Seven pair for refusing to kneel down and pray. The spokesman said there were "ongoing inquiries centred around other practical issues." The inquiries will involve parental complaints about methods of education on the Islamic faith. Cheshire County Council said the suspension is not in itself a disciplinary measure. Children's Services director Joan Feenan said: "This authority is naturally concerned about complaints we have received from parents. "Together with the school, we will be thoroughly investigating those complaints and informing parents of the conclusions reached. "Educating children in Christian and other religious beliefs is part of the national curriculum in secular schools and I'm sure that the majority of our parents welcome any efforts to further mutual understanding. "Having said that, this authority also accepts without question that such teaching should be carried out with awareness, sensitivity and sound common sense. "Alsager is a high performing school with very supportive parents. I am confident that this matter will be resolved equitably." One parent, Karen Williams, said after hearing the claims: "I am absolutely furious my daughter was made to take part in it and I don't find it acceptable. "I haven't got a problem with them teaching my child other religions and a small amount of information doesn't do any harm. "But not only did they have to pray, the teacher had gone into the class and made them watch a short film and then said 'We are now going out to pray to Allah'. "And then two boys got detention and all the other children missed their refreshments break because of the teacher." The teacher is liaising with NASUWT, her union, whose spokesman declined to comment. Matthew Wright, pastor at Alsager Community Church, said: "I can understand the concerns of the parents involved. "Religious education is a difficult and complex subject to teach but I would hope it would show children to be free-thinking. "I am sure the teacher concerned is a very good member of staff and I would hope the school can deal with the problem internally. "It would be inappropriate for me to comment on the school's disciplinary system."
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Post by serpico on Jul 8, 2008 10:50:00 GMT
Serps, While i'm not entirely convinced that the war with Iraq is a good idea or not, i doubt that whether we had entered it or not would have had much effect on the terrorism committed by Muslims. Quite frankly, they're nuts, with weak minds to believe in religion and they act off these beliefs believing they are to gain from killing themselves and others. It's got to the point where pulling out of the war wouldn't help to stop terrorism. Religion takes a weak mind for it to be believed in, but once believed in, religion can be very strong. The tiny minuscule minority of Muslims who commit suicide bombings are nuts, but they're not motiveless evil doers who hate our way of life so much they attack, thats the propaganda that our government uses, they attack because of what our government has done to their fellow muslims countries, IE Iraq, look what our government has done to that country- -Helped put Saddam Hussein in power, a brutal dictator, we and the the US armed him to the teeth during and after his worst atrocities, we provided the weapons he used to Invade Iran, a bloody war which killed over 1 million Iranians, many of them died because of the gas that the US provided Saddam with, thats on record, he was actually a CIA asset in the late 50's, I've read the declassified documents, they describe him as a "presentable young man". Then when Saddam doesn't want to play ball anymore the US decides he has to go, so they continually bomb the shit out of Iraq during the 90's, put sanctions on them which killed a estimated 1 million human being Iraqi's, half of which were children under that age of 5 ( i believe Bin laden mentions the sanctions in one of his post 9/11 speeches as being one of the motivating factors behind the attacks), whilst the sanctions were starving children they actually strengthened Saddam. Then we get to 2003, Bush and Blair in power, they decide they want regime change in Iraq, so they make up some trumped up claims about Saddams weapons, which he no longer has due to destroying them in the early 90's, so they drop a whole more shit load of bombs on them, invade and completely destroy Iraq, killing another estimated 1.2 million Iraqi's on the way. So over the last 15+ years, the US /UK governments have directly and indirectly killed well over 2 million Iraqi's, and people honestly believe they attack us because they don't like the fact we enjoy a beer after work ? they hate us because of what we do, not who we are. Thats just Iraq, i could talk about the US puppet dictators in saudi arabia, bias support for Israel's brutal treatment of Palestinians etc etc etc. In know way am i saying this justify attacks such as 9/11-7/7, why should we, the UK population, who was against the Iraq war, bore the brunt of the blowback of the governments foreign policy ? all i am saying is what do you expect ? we need to have our government change it's foreign policy of intervention in the middle east to a non interventionist one and let the people of the middle east decide who they want in power in their own countries through free and fair elections, and pull our troops out of that region, i mean how would you react if we had a army from a muslim country setting up military bases across this country ? you have to look at it from there perspective, and no, the muslim community in this country can not be compared to a military presence from a foreign country.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 8, 2008 11:02:07 GMT
The idea that there is only a tiny handful of extremists in a million is misleading
Exactly the same thing was said about the IRA in the 1970's and 80's
No more than 250 active members out of a population of half-a-million, it was said.
What wasn't said, was that it was the silence of the half-a-million that allowed the 250 to plant bombs in pubs, shopping-centres, under cars, etc etc and cause all the death and carnage that they did
If people put religion above country then simply live in an Islamic state.
Simple
But Muslims don't want that...they want all the benefits of living in a Western Democracy, schools, free-healthcare, welfare-benefits etc etc without any real allegiance to this country and with their OWN IMPORTED RELIGION
Having your cake and eating it
And we sit back and defend it
Pathetic Whi
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Jul 8, 2008 12:00:11 GMT
Did anyone watch Dispatches on Channel 4 last night? www.channel4.com/news/articles/dispatches/it+shouldnt+happen+to+a+muslim/2314592A useful reminder that the majority of British Muslims are law-abiding citizens who decry the Islamist terrorists and bombers as much as we do, but get assaulted and attacked, and the shameful role certain parts of the media play in creating myths to inflame tensions - Mail, Express & Sun the 3 worst offenders. Also featured a depressing section on the BNP in Stoke.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 8, 2008 12:59:10 GMT
Yes, we watched Dispatches last night and thought the way it portrayed the BNP in Stoke was a disgrace.
Some BNP supporting old codger banging on about "cock-roaches" making a complete arse of himself, whilst all the Muslims interviewed were rational, intelligent, thoughtful people.
So what conclusions do we draw from such a programme?
1 All BNP supporters are mentally-unstable bigots
2 All Muslims are great
You just don't get it do you Jukebox?
The programme was made in a way to present Muslims as really nice decent people whilst presenting white people as racist bigots
Well that is ABSOLUTE BOLLOCKS
I don't make my wife dress from head to toe in black and forbid her to go out of the house
If you honestly believe that Muslims are some form of superior-race who can't possibly be racist or bigotted, then you're as daft as owd cockroach face..
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Post by Miniman on Jul 8, 2008 15:00:05 GMT
It finally made TV news now!!!
Apaprently last night she made BBC North-west tonight!!!! 3 minute feature on it with interviews my mate said!!!
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Jul 8, 2008 15:08:45 GMT
Yes, we watched Dispatches last night and thought the way it portrayed the BNP in Stoke was a disgrace. Some BNP supporting old codger banging on about "cock-roaches" making a complete arse of himself, whilst all the Muslims interviewed were rational, intelligent, thoughtful people. So what conclusions do we draw from such a programme? 1 All BNP supporters are mentally-unstable bigots 2 All Muslims are great You just don't get it do you Jukebox? The programme was made in a way to present Muslims as really nice decent people whilst presenting white people as racist bigots Well that is ABSOLUTE BOLLOCKS I don't make my wife dress from head to toe in black and forbid her to go out of the house If you honestly believe that Muslims are some form of superior-race who can't possibly be racist or bigotted, then you're as daft as owd cockroach face.. WoD, 1 All BNP supporters are mentally-unstable bigots I fail to see how anyone can be a BNP supporter and not be a bigot. To call them mentally-unstable is a slur on the mentally ill. 2 All Muslims are great Obviously not, but no more are they all terrorists. Of course I don't believe that Muslims are superior - in fact, I find the attitude that many of them have for women despicable. However, it needs to be looked in context - remember that this week a significant number of Church of England priests & bishops have been up in arms that the CofE wishes to have women bishops. Most religions condone discrimination, and should all be condemned for that.
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Post by serpico on Jul 8, 2008 15:12:13 GMT
It finally made TV news now!!! Apaprently last night she made BBC North-west tonight!!!! 3 minute feature on it with interviews my mate said!!! Would i be right in saying that they were threatened with detention if they didn't obey the teacher's orders, rather than specifically because they wouldn't prey ?, what I'm saying is, it was irrelevant that they were told to pray to Allah, it's the fact they didn't follow the teachers orders, so it would have been the same if they disobeyed an order to prey to jesus or Buddha or any other god.
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Post by Miniman on Jul 8, 2008 15:14:14 GMT
Exactly correct there Serpico....
Thats what Ive been saying to me mates for ages....
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Post by serpico on Jul 8, 2008 15:21:20 GMT
Exactly correct there Serpico.... Thats what Ive been saying to me mates for ages.... So it's just a case of a over zealous teacher, rather than someone trying to convert everyone to Islam, talk about a mountain out of a mole hill. i can remember visiting a mosque when i was at high school and we prayed etc, it was just an exercise, nothing sinister about it, i can't understand the fuss, the teacher was wrong to threaten detention though, thats her only crime here, i think suspending her is harsh though. The BNP types are hijacking this non issue and making a big deal about it and saying it's evidence of some mass take over by "the muslims", utter bollocks.
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