Simon jones

[thepremierbanksy]

Jul 1, 2008 14:39:55 GMT @sidders said:

Jul 1, 2008 14:36:50 GMT thepremierbanksy said:

this thread has really gone down the pan, but i'll add my thoughts:

I like ambrose as keeper because he makes comedy noises as the batsman's stroke finishes, such as "goooy" and "woaaaaar".

Would that be classed as sledging?

I don't really know, I don't think it's intended to put the batsman off, just an habitual reaction, but it's rather amusing once you pick up on it. He gets especially bad when Panesar is bowling.

[Birchesheadpotter]

Right - In vein hope of rescuing this thread, here goes...

Simon Jones is a great bowler and if he was constantly fit he would have been an ever-present in the England team - probably at the expence of Jimmy Anderson, who has all the ingredients needed to become a top international seamer. Swing, pace, dicipline and athletisism. BUT he is incredably inconsistant, and thats where someone such as Jones or Flintoff (preferably both) are needed. Hopefully now these two are getting back to full fitness, we'll see a lot more competition on the bowling front, to keep people like Anderson and Sidebottom on their toes, something we obviously havn't got with nothing more than good county bowlers like Chris Tremlett on standby.

I like Tim Ambrose, but I just cant see why two better batsmen in Matt Prior and Phil Mustard are not ahead of him in the pecking order!
Mustard opens the innings in one day cricket superbly, and not long ago scored 80 odd against New Zealand in Christchurch, and scored 92 today for Duhram - what does he get for his troubles? The boot.
Prior hits a hundred for England on his debut, and scores more consistanly than the rest of the middle order, and this year, is the leading run scorer in the County Championship - again what does he get?
This 'we want consistancy and stability' bollocks is nothing more than that. How is having one wicket keeper going to make a difference when you've got two different fucking captains!

Incidently, Ian Bell scored a double hundred today ;D

[Cityfullergoals]

What nobody has mentioned is that Simon Jones struck a majestic 16 not out in a partnership with Freddie which eventually was the difference in the Edgbaston test in 2005 when we drew level in the series at 1-1

His reverse swing bowling baffled the Aussies and he was a ferfect foil for the pace of Harmy and Freddie, and the swing of Hoggy

One thing that really pisses me off though is that Tres is thinking of returning for this mega money game, yet he keeps missing tours and retires from international cricket with mental problems

Fuckin ell - we miss him badly

Funny what a FEW dollars does to the mind ???

[Cityfullergoals]

Jul 1, 2008 19:55:12 GMT @sidders said:

The pressure was too much for Tres simple as if you lose it you lose it not a great deal you can do about that.

Unless theres 50,000 dollars on the table?

[Cityfullergoals]

The wicketkeeping problem never seems to go away

Prior comes in, scores heaps of runs, and cant keep

Reid can keep but cant score runs

Ambrose can do a bit of both, and Mustard is to me an average keeper, who is only a pinch hitter in 50 and 20 over cricket

Geraint Jones did a wonderful job in that Ashes series with two or three good scores, and took an abundance of catches, but he was still slated for his poor glovework

Anybody got the answer?????

Bring back Bob Taylor (but then he couldnt score runs either) ??? ??? ??? ???

[Cityfullergoals]

Tend to agree with that 100%

Whod be a selector?

[Olgrligm]

I'd have stuck with Prior. Not sure why everybody went dead set against him, especially given that his replacement has been mostly poor with the bat. Still, what do I know?

Weren't they saying a few years back that Flintoff would never bowl in a test match again, his legs wouldn't be able to stand the amount of overs needed? He played for Lancashire in a first class match yesterday and was pretty average all round with his bowling while getting out cheaply with the bat. Glad to hear Jones is doing well though, should be the end of Anderson if he's back. Whoever comes back first, it's Anderson who should lose out. Too inconsistent.

[Cityfullergoals]

Anderson bowls a bit like Botham did

Bowls some amazing wicket taking balls, but can go for a lot of runs

When its swinging and he puts in the right place hes deadly

But he wunner get 3500 test runs will he ;D ;D

[Birchesheadpotter]

Jul 1, 2008 19:42:44 GMT @sidders said:

I am not quite sure about this scoring rate and stuff in county cricket

Bloody hell if the player that has scored the most runs this county season in the top division aint good enough to play for us, what county player is!? ;D

Prior made a few mistakes with the gloves admittedly, and I was the first person to get on his back, mainly because Im such a prick, but hes still by far the best keeper/batsman when everythings taken into account - and I believe he should be in our test side

[Cityfullergoals]

Here here

[Cityfullergoals]

I think we should start a Matt Prior thread

Then we can talk about Simon Jones ;D ;D ;D

[Birchesheadpotter]

MysticalDecent

By all accounts, Flintoff was poor with the bat and gave his wicket away cheaply, but the only way his batting will improve is with time and patience.

But I have to disagree about his bowling being average. For a player to comeback straight from injury and cause batsmen as much trouble as he did today, takes some doing. How he didnt get at least 2 or 3 wickets is beyond me.

When Freddie is back to full fitness and sharpness, which will take time, he'll be back bullying batsmen, and fizzing 90mph bouncers down the wicket again

[Birchesheadpotter]

Jul 1, 2008 20:42:04 GMT Cityfullergoals said:

Here here

I hope that wasnt aimed at me admitting that Im a prick ;D

[Cityfullergoals]

;D ;D

Not at all BHP

To be honest mate, I have played cricket at a very decent level, and its nice to come on here and have a sensible ??? discussion about the game

Did you play locally?

[Birchesheadpotter]

To be honest mate Iv not played for a club yet - always been a footballer - but with me not playing footy now Im looking to join a cricket team.

[Cityfullergoals]

PDSL?

[Birchesheadpotter]

What? ;D

[PotteringThrough]

[stokecity4eva]

Well a selector must read this board then as jonesy has today been selected in a provisional 30 man squad for the Champions Trophy which will be cut down to 15 on 11th august so heres hoping he remains injury free for the remaning month and a bit and gets his place in the last 15.

Also they have named Prior, Mustard and Ambrose in the 30man squad which shows all of them are in the selectors plans. Myself I would hope Prior gets another chance soon as he seems to be a better keeper than Ambrose. what gets me about the Prior situation is he was brought in when Moores became coach as he'd played under him at Sussex yet when the going got a little bit tough Moores dropped him like a shot you'd think Moores would of had a bit of patience with him.

Which brings me onto another point what does everyone thing of Moores coaching ability as myself i belive since hes taken over from Fletcher i feel he has improved our One day play but im stil not sure about him in test cricket

[Cityfullergoals]

Dont agree there mate

He has tried to make us more ruthless, but as for improving our one day play Im not so sure

We have just LOST to the fucking New Zealenaders on our own turf

[stokecity4eva]

dont forget the new zealands are a better one day side than test side i feel hes making us a more aggressive side in the powerplays as i know when fletcher was coach we were criticised for always being to defensive in the powerplays. Dont get me wrong hes probably the best coach for the job. just he may have the wrong captains for what he wants to do

[Birchesheadpotter]

Well if you look at the players Fletcher had to pick from in most of his test matches - Flintoff, Jones, Hoggard, Harmison, Trescothick, Giles - who were all fully fit both physically and mentally (Harmison, Tressy) in comparison with the players Moores has had at his disposal, unexperianced players like Sidebottom, Anderson, Broad, Panasar ect. I dont think you can argue that he's doing a bloody good job.

On the wicket keeper front - I think Moores was under pressure from everyone to try new keepers, resulting in Priors exit and Mustard, Ambrose, Nixon ect being used.

Personally I think Prior should be our test keeper, he is the better technical batsman out of the lot, and Mustard should be our 1 day keeper, purely because that format of the game suits his smash and grab attitude, and the fact that he'd solve 2 problems because he's an ideal opener

I hope the ECB will be paying me for all this insight

[Cityfullergoals]

Agree with that one

McCullum and Oram can take anybody to the cleaners on their day

Vettori never goes for many

Remember Astles innings - fucking somert else that was

Dont know what you think - but IMO cricket is geared around 20 20 now, and we even play like that in tests

Full credit to the Aussie bastards who have changed the face of test cricket. I used to sit and watch tests, and people said it was like watching paint dry, scoring rates of 1.8 to 2 an over was considered the norm. Now the Aussies have taken to to a different level, and everybody has tried to follow suit just to keep the pace.

We could manage it with Tresco and the likes, but to me Cook is a REAL test batsman. Pietersen is magic WHEN he comes off, as is Freddie. Unforunately, the likes of Ponting, Hayden, Clarke, Gilchrist came off more often than our lads

[Cityfullergoals]

Sidders:

I have played cricket from the age of 11, and played to a decent standard

Scored 89 against Deryck Murray touring XI at Edgbaston for Staffordshire Under 19s, played against the likes of Geoff Lawson (Aussie), Vanburn Holder (pro for Nantwich), Steve Waugh (sub pro for Nantwich), and many more so I know a bit about the game

How I see it these days is that test cricket is totally different from the days of Cowdrey, Dolivera, Illingworth etc etc

They struggle to get 90 overs in a day now, yet in the old days 120 overs in a day was the norm

The game today is all about MONEY full stop

As I posted in an earlier thread - Tresco quits international cricket, but as soon as 50,000 dollars are mentioned then its: Well I could be tempted into returning

Sounds like the Premier League to me