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Post by foster on Apr 14, 2024 18:37:09 GMT
So would any random shooting in a school ( as in USA) or planting a bomb in an indiscriminate locate ( which has a good chance of killing children) or aiming a missile/ dropping a bomb in/at another country would mean that the perpetrator is mentally ill. Or randomly killing an old person or teenager? You surely have to be mentally ill to kill anybody don’t you? Stands to reason I reckon you can be radicalised, without being mentally ill. I don't think terrorists in the main are mentally ill in the sense that they have a mental disability. They are just conditioned.
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Post by milton58 on Apr 14, 2024 18:40:30 GMT
apologise for what exactly Disrupting the thread the only people who have disrupted this thread are the ones with an political agenda and disrupt every thread that's started on here just like this one innocent people have been slaughtered but it comes down to politics on here...it's bollocks tbh
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 14, 2024 18:41:32 GMT
You surely have to be mentally ill to kill anybody don’t you? Stands to reason I reckon you can be radicalised, without being mentally ill. I don't think terrorists in the main are mentally ill in the sense that they have a mental disability. They are just conditioned. I agree. It’s similar to cults. People need something to believe in and the leaders target the vulnerable. Charles Manson did it in the 60s in the US. Inititially treat them well and they’ll do anything for you. It’s the same with county lines.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 14, 2024 18:41:38 GMT
So would any random shooting in a school ( as in USA) or planting a bomb in an indiscriminate locate ( which has a good chance of killing children) or aiming a missile/ dropping a bomb in/at another country would mean that the perpetrator is mentally ill. Or randomly killing an old person or teenager? You surely have to be mentally ill to kill anybody don’t you? Stands to reason I don't know Badge. I wouldn't think so , in every case.For instance , You might kill someone because of something they have done and think they deserve it But What you are saying, is what I am getting at.....if everyone who kills is deemed mentally ill, is there any point in it ( or any point judging them to be mentally ill)
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 14, 2024 18:54:41 GMT
You surely have to be mentally ill to kill anybody don’t you? Stands to reason I reckon you can be radicalised, without being mentally ill. I don't think terrorists in the main are mentally ill in the sense that they have a mental disability. They are just conditioned. Agree with that absolutely but surely by the time you commit the crime you are mentally ill? I don’t mean being born that way but surely if you’ve been radicalised it makes you mentally Ill by default?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 14, 2024 18:56:15 GMT
the only people who have disrupted this thread are the ones with an political agenda and disrupt every thread that's started on here just like this one innocent people have been slaughtered but it comes down to politics on here...it's bollocks tbh That would be a perfectly valid point except you specifically made a comment about me getting banned with your first one. It doesn’t wash pal and you’re a wind up merchant
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 14, 2024 19:00:07 GMT
You surely have to be mentally ill to kill anybody don’t you? Stands to reason I don't know Badge. I wouldn't think so , in every case.For instance , You might kill someone because of something they have done and think they deserve it But What you are saying, is what I am getting at.....if everyone who kills is deemed mentally ill, is there any point in it ( or any point judging them to be mentally ill) Kind of get what you’re saying BJR but I don’t think anybody should be certified as being mentally ill if they murder someone. One has to assume they’re mentally ill given their actions therefore I don’t think a claim of being mentally ill should stand in a court of law
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Post by mrnovember on Apr 14, 2024 19:00:11 GMT
if you decide to stab a baby you must be mentally ill. I genuinely think it's that black and white. So would any random shooting in a school ( as in USA) or planting a bomb in an indiscriminate locate ( which has a good chance of killing children) or aiming a missile/ dropping a bomb in/at another country would mean that the perpetrator is mentally ill. Or randomly killing an old person or teenager? My personal conviction is that radicalisation and mental illness are not mutually exclusive. In so much as you would have to be mentally ill to think that shooting a school up or planting a bomb in a public place deliberately targeting innocent civilians somehow puts you on the good side or furthers your cause. Actually, I don't think we're far off from eco terrorism which will be an interesting debate.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 14, 2024 19:01:15 GMT
As we know, not everyone who is mentally ill murders others, mothers nor attempts to murder babies. Some mentally ill people commit suicide or attempt to do so. I've not researched it but have posters got any thoughts/ insight into the link? I've heard people say things like " if you decide to stab a baby you must be mentally ill" I get that but I sometime wonder if we take the link too far. Does it stigmatise some people with mental health conditions ( as opposed to being mentally ill? ) To kill random innocent people might suggest something else about the perpetrator....I've no idea what? You only have to look at Hindley and Brady to see that some people are just plain evil. Brady was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, whereas Hindley wasn't ever given a mental health diagnosis. Were the guys who turned on the taps at Auschwitz mentally ill or just plain evil? I don't think you have to be mentally ill to walk into the MEN and not only blow lots of kids up but also blow yourself up too. Was Abedi simply pure evil? Well to us he is but to many other people he is a hero and a martyr. I don't think that Benjamin Netanyahu is mentally ill but I definietly think that he's evil, although many people would disagree.
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Post by knype on Apr 14, 2024 19:05:35 GMT
Not every killer is mentally ill, its just an easy tag to try and excuse someone who has killed someone
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 14, 2024 19:05:45 GMT
As we know, not everyone who is mentally ill murders others, mothers nor attempts to murder babies. Some mentally ill people commit suicide or attempt to do so. I've not researched it but have posters got any thoughts/ insight into the link? I've heard people say things like " if you decide to stab a baby you must be mentally ill" I get that but I sometime wonder if we take the link too far. Does it stigmatise some people with mental health conditions ( as opposed to being mentally ill? ) To kill random innocent people might suggest something else about the perpetrator....I've no idea what? You only have to look at Hindley and Brady to see that some people are just plain evil. Brady was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, whereas Hindley wasn't ever given a mental health diagnosis. Were the guys who turned on the taps at Auschwitz mentally ill or just plain evil? I don't think you have to be mentally ill to walk into the MEN and not only blow lots of kids up but also blow yourself up too. Was Abedi simply pure evil? Well to us he is but to many other people he is a hero and a martyr. I don't think that Benjamin Netanyahu is mentally ill but I definiely think he's evil, although many people would disagree. I think they’re all mentally ill at the point of committing the crime. That’s the point I’d like to make. Nevermind they were a university graduate at some point or one of their parents were a serial criminal. At the point the crime is committed the perpetrator is mentally ill. Therefore a mentally ill plea is moot as far as I’m concerned. But it’s just my opinion I’m not asking anybody to agree, in fact most won’t. Regardless I’m happy with my opinion as always
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Post by henry on Apr 14, 2024 19:05:56 GMT
Fair play to you mate, it takes a lot to apologise on here some times. Good man. That’s why he’s one of our finest posters. One of the finest ? thats like being the second best priest.
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Post by milton58 on Apr 14, 2024 19:06:32 GMT
the only people who have disrupted this thread are the ones with an political agenda and disrupt every thread that's started on here just like this one innocent people have been slaughtered but it comes down to politics on here...it's bollocks tbh That would be a perfectly valid point except you specifically made a comment about me getting banned with your first one. It doesn’t wash pal and you’re a wind up merchant firstly you like to be the biggest wind up merchant on here and I will never be your pal..your just a mug fella end of
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 14, 2024 19:06:45 GMT
Not every killer is mentally ill, its just an easy tag to try and excuse someone who has killed someone Sorry Knype I disagree, as explained.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 14, 2024 19:07:30 GMT
That would be a perfectly valid point except you specifically made a comment about me getting banned with your first one. It doesn’t wash pal and you’re a wind up merchant firstly you like to be the biggest wind up merchant on here and I will never be your pal..your just a mug fella end of And secondly?
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Post by milton58 on Apr 14, 2024 19:10:06 GMT
firstly you like to be the biggest wind up merchant on here and I will never be your pal..your just a mug fella end of And secondly? why post something and delete it...was it borderline banning material
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 14, 2024 19:10:08 GMT
You surely have to be mentally ill to kill anybody don’t you? Stands to reason I don't know Badge. I wouldn't think so , in every case.For instance , You might kill someone because of something they have done and think they deserve it But What you are saying, is what I am getting at.....if everyone who kills is deemed mentally ill, is there any point in it ( or any point judging them to be mentally ill) Mental illness can be a reason but not an excuse. In circumstances like these killing sprees of random people, I don’t know any other reason that could be plausible. They should be tested, treated, then sentenced to life. “Mental illness” is an umbrella term for a bucket load of disorders that each have a spectrum. Why wouldn’t there be a point in figuring out what type of illness they had? The more that specialists understand these behaviors, the more likely they are to diagnose early and prevent future attacks.
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Post by gawa on Apr 14, 2024 19:12:10 GMT
This has been an entertaining read 😁
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 14, 2024 19:14:43 GMT
You only have to look at Hindley and Brady to see that some people are just plain evil. Brady was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, whereas Hindley wasn't ever given a mental health diagnosis. Were the guys who turned on the taps at Auschwitz mentally ill or just plain evil? I don't think you have to be mentally ill to walk into the MEN and not only blow lots of kids up but also blow yourself up too. Was Abedi simply pure evil? Well to us he is but to many other people he is a hero and a martyr. I don't think that Benjamin Netanyahu is mentally ill but I definiely think he's evil, although many people would disagree. I think they’re all mentally ill at the point of committing the crime. That’s the point I’d like to make. Nevermind they were a university graduate at some point or one of their parents were a serial criminal. At the point the crime is committed the perpetrator is mentally ill. Therefore a mentally ill plea is moot as far as I’m concerned. But it’s just my opinion I’m not asking anybody to agree, in fact most won’t. Regardless I’m happy with my opinion as always That's why I used the example of Hindley and Brady. Both committed the same heinous crimes working together but one was diagnosed with mental illness, whilst the other one, wasn't.
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Post by knype on Apr 14, 2024 19:15:24 GMT
Not every killer is mentally ill, its just an easy tag to try and excuse someone who has killed someone Sorry Knype I disagree, as explained. Fair enough mate, no issues with that
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Post by foster on Apr 14, 2024 19:16:16 GMT
I reckon you can be radicalised, without being mentally ill. I don't think terrorists in the main are mentally ill in the sense that they have a mental disability. They are just conditioned. Agree with that absolutely but surely by the time you commit the crime you are mentally ill? I don’t mean being born that way but surely if you’ve been radicalised it makes you mentally Ill by default? I'm kind of the opinion that one person's radical is another's normal. I think we (the west) are too much inclined to think that the rest of the world and all other cultures should be like us, and if not, then there's something wrong with them. They probably think the same about us. We're generally soft compared to most other cultures that have suffered much more hardship than we'll ever face.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 14, 2024 19:16:37 GMT
why post something and delete it...was it borderline banning material Have a look for it, it still exits as it was replied to
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Post by milton58 on Apr 14, 2024 19:17:26 GMT
This has been an entertaining read 😁 for all the wrong reasons mostly political never mind innocent people being killed...as long as I'm right and your wrong..point scoring getting the most likes of certain cliques it's shite
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 14, 2024 19:19:12 GMT
This has been an entertaining read 😁 for all the wrong reasons mostly political never mind innocent people being killed...as long as I'm right and your wrong..point scoring getting the most likes of certain cliques it's shite Why don’t you give the rest of us a fucking opinion then instead of sniping?
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Post by mrnovember on Apr 14, 2024 19:20:41 GMT
This has been an entertaining read 😁 for all the wrong reasons mostly political never mind innocent people being killed...as long as I'm right and your wrong..point scoring getting the most likes of certain cliques it's shite Steady on Paxman. So far your contribution to the debate is to antagonise a poster you clearly have an issue with.
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Post by milton58 on Apr 14, 2024 19:20:45 GMT
for all the wrong reasons mostly political never mind innocent people being killed...as long as I'm right and your wrong..point scoring getting the most likes of certain cliques it's shite Why don’t you give the rest of us a fucking opinion then instead of sniping? coming from you what a joey
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 14, 2024 19:22:51 GMT
I think they’re all mentally ill at the point of committing the crime. That’s the point I’d like to make. Nevermind they were a university graduate at some point or one of their parents were a serial criminal. At the point the crime is committed the perpetrator is mentally ill. Therefore a mentally ill plea is moot as far as I’m concerned. But it’s just my opinion I’m not asking anybody to agree, in fact most won’t. Regardless I’m happy with my opinion as always That's why I used the example of Hindley and Brady. Both committed the same crimes working together but one was diagnosed with mental illness, whilst the other one, wasn't. We have learned a lot about mental illness in the 60 years since their crimes. The FBI didn’t even have a Behavioral Science Unit to profile these bastards at that point (so, I doubt one existed in the UK either). Further, societal views have moved away from “suck it up” to actual diagnosis and treatments, meaning that a broader spectrum of symptoms and classifications are now known.
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Post by milton58 on Apr 14, 2024 19:23:15 GMT
for all the wrong reasons mostly political never mind innocent people being killed...as long as I'm right and your wrong..point scoring getting the most likes of certain cliques it's shite Why don’t you give the rest of us a fucking opinion then instead of sniping? all of your opinions are about politics though wtf as politics got to do with this thread about people going out and doing normal things and loosing their lives
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 14, 2024 19:24:24 GMT
Why don’t you give the rest of us a fucking opinion then instead of sniping? coming from you what a joey Tell you what, you put together a post that involves a discussion about something you feel so strongly about and we’ll take it from there. How’s that sound? I’ve put plenty on this thread to talk about as evidenced by replies, who’s replied to you? No fucker, because you’re completely unable to post anything other than sniping at other posters.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 14, 2024 19:26:12 GMT
for all the wrong reasons mostly political never mind innocent people being killed...as long as I'm right and your wrong..point scoring getting the most likes of certain cliques it's shite Steady on Paxman. So far your contribution to the debate is to antagonise a poster you clearly have an issue with. I’m not antagonised, I feel sorry for him and I’ve reached out many times to put an end to it over the last few months. He’s obsessed
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