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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 2, 2024 9:22:43 GMT
We don't need a rebuild, we need maybe 3,/4 new players in. Pearson i'd imagine will be the tough one to shift as already said. Campbell will be gone of course and both are positions we need to improve. The loan players also so room there if none are signed permanently and if course those out of contract . That leaves plenty of space for new signings. The back 4 needs 3 though surely? Where is this notion we only need 3/4 coming from?
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 2, 2024 9:22:50 GMT
Since we've been relegated most players have looked better playing for another team than us, for me that's because we've changed too much each season. This seasons performance is down to two managers using different football styles and lots of new players that need to be bedded in. So we get better by: *Reducing the amount of player turnover *Bringing through youth *Keeping hold of the manager *Developing the players *Playing the managers preferred style of football without relegation fears I get that but they can’t do it. Let’s put aside the issue that manager is clearly out of his depth, just don’t see how we do well without getting 3 out 4 of the back 4 in. And that’s just the start. We don’t have a CB good enough to be starting games. I just can’t see past needing 6/7 first team signings. Ripping it apart (starting with the owners) is the much more preferable route for me. How do you rip it apart starting with the owners?
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Post by Waggy on Apr 2, 2024 9:31:25 GMT
To be honest, I think Josh Laurent is shite. But these last three games or so I think he's been bloody brilliant. I think the same. Last season he played well for 4 games in row and that was around Easter. Wondering if he likes to play in early spring time only.
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Post by xchpotter on Apr 2, 2024 9:41:29 GMT
Re build or not, the key thing is there has to be something regardless of who is in charge and that has to be the starting point.
Whilst very little has changed year on year with the same issues, Schu has to be backed in my humble opinion to see what he can do with his own players. Yes, you can say that puts us into another repeat cycle, but what option is there?
The only common factors here to see what has gone on has been Coates and the fan base.
I think we are closer to a tipping point with the right players than we have been and a few right additions will dilute further the rubbish that we have to keep.
If we stay up, I feel more positive for next season than I have since the first season with Rowett.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 2, 2024 9:51:58 GMT
It can't be another root and branch overhaul, but making 4 or 5 signings probably isn't going to cut it.
We've made some good key signings but some average ones also (as you'd expect). If we sign 4 or 5, you can't envisage them all being good meaning you end up with players from this year producing the same inconsistent performances and results. If Laurent, Hoever, Baker, McNally et al are starting games next season, it'll be no different to this season.
And that's if we can hold onto Burger and Bae.
Tchamadeu looked promising pre-AFCON but woeful on his return before a mid-term injury.
The likes of Sidibe, Lowe, Tezgel need loans at a lower level.
It'll be Schumacher at the helm and we'll be going nowhere fast. No doubt we'll get excited by some of the summer signing before we fall into the same pattern we've seen this season, last season and every season for the last 7 years. We're firmly at a point now where we need to work our way through the division - mid-table but not in a relegation battle, before a few years pushing for the Play-Offs. There's no quick fix.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 2, 2024 9:55:20 GMT
A left back in the Tchamadeu mould, a left sided centre back, a beast of a CDM and a mobile target man will transform this team.
If Schumacher wants to play an aggressive pressing game the players need to be super fit though, so any passengers in that regard need replacing not necessarily expensively........
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 2, 2024 10:02:15 GMT
How do we look at present going into next year?
GK
Tchamadeu - jury is still out but lots of promise. Needs to play consistently. CB CB LB
Burger - Can we keep him? CM Bae - Personally I'd have him as the furthest forward of the midfield 3, and bring in a LW with pace.
Manhoef - Needs a run of games in the side. Not overly impressed with what I've seen so far but has pace and some promise. ST LW
Realistically though, the likes of Laurent, Pearson and Baker will still be here. Laurent almost guaranteed to start as captain. I'm hoping he'll ask for a move once his best pal Tyrone fucks off. He's a decent player at this level but he's not shown it enough and he's definitely not captain material - got it on the basis of he was fit and available and pretty much everyone else was here on loan or had going within the past 2 months.
There's plenty of back up players in the squad, but also some dross that needs shifting, including some we signed last year that's we're unlikely to be able to move on.
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Post by thestatusquo on Apr 2, 2024 10:16:54 GMT
We’ve had more rebuilds than a Lego convention
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Post by femark on Apr 2, 2024 10:20:38 GMT
I thought Zorba Thomas played well today. Is he out of contract at the end of the season? Rudoni looked like their stand out player to me. He'd be excellent competition for the midfield.
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Post by Ron on Apr 2, 2024 10:22:16 GMT
We signed some absolute dross in the summer/ Jan.
Lleris, Haksabanovic, Johnson, Wesley, Clark, Ennis all duds. Cundle is shite. McNally will go back. Rose average. Stevens- old and injured but useful when fit.
Mmaee... a player in there..but seems a dickhead ( or was SS the dickhead? ). Vidigal all but disappeared.. whats gone on there??
Gooch has been ok. Junior a good addition. Bae and Burger excellent. 3 good signing, one decent enough. Another ability but question marks over character.
Jojic nowhere to be seen and spent good money.
So out of all those signings... 4 were any good, 5 at a push.
The 2 keepers we've had have been alright...but neither belong to us.
So yes... we need ANOTHER rebuild.
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Post by femark on Apr 2, 2024 10:27:47 GMT
Based on needing two players for each position, playing 4-3-3 and assuming we can re-sign a couple of the loan players:
GK - Iversen, Bonham RB - Hoever, Tchamadeu LB - Stevens, New LB CB - Rose, Wilmot, CB, CB CM - Burger, Baker, Laurent, Sidibe, Pearson, CM RW - Leris, Manhoef LW - Junho, Vidigal CF - Mmaee, Ennis
LB, CBx2, CM are the positions we desperately need to fill and they need to be better than what we have currently.
I'd say that we need to also add another couple of forwards as there are question marks over Leris, Vidigal, Mmaee and Ennis.
6 signings and two loan renewals (Iversen, Hoever) is the minimum. I'd rather us actually sign the players we need rather than maxing out the loans again.
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Post by mamathestriker on Apr 2, 2024 10:52:21 GMT
We signed some absolute dross in the summer/ Jan. Lleris, Haksabanovic, Johnson, Wesley, Clark, Ennis all duds. Cundle is shite. McNally will go back. Rose average. Stevens- old and injured but useful when fit. Mmaee... a player in there..but seems a dickhead ( or was SS the dickhead? ). Vidigal all but disappeared.. whats gone on there?? Gooch has been ok. Junior a good addition. Bae and Burger excellent. 3 good signing, one decent enough. Another ability but question marks over character. Jojic nowhere to be seen and spent good money. So out of all those signings... 4 were any good, 5 at a push. The 2 keepers we've had have been alright...but neither belong to us. So yes... we need ANOTHER rebuild. When you see it written down like that you realise how bad it has been again. Anyone connected with recruitment should hold their heads in shame. This we only need 4 or 5 players is absolute rubbish, we'll need that many replace the loans!
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 2, 2024 11:20:11 GMT
We signed some absolute dross in the summer/ Jan. Lleris, Haksabanovic, Johnson, Wesley, Clark, Ennis all duds. Cundle is shite. McNally will go back. Rose average. Stevens- old and injured but useful when fit. Mmaee... a player in there..but seems a dickhead ( or was SS the dickhead? ). Vidigal all but disappeared.. whats gone on there?? Gooch has been ok. Junior a good addition. Bae and Burger excellent. 3 good signing, one decent enough. Another ability but question marks over character. Jojic nowhere to be seen and spent good money. So out of all those signings... 4 were any good, 5 at a push. The 2 keepers we've had have been alright...but neither belong to us. So yes... we need ANOTHER rebuild. When you see it written down like that you realise how bad it has been again. Anyone connected with recruitment should hold their heads in shame. This we only need 4 or 5 players is absolute rubbish, we'll need that many replace the loans! You do have to remember that we needed numbers in because after years of woeful recruitment and disastrous mismanagement from top to bottom, we were left with pretty much nothing at the start of pre-season. What worries me most is, January's recruitment was poor again. Yes it's notoriously difficult, but Cundle has been garbage after looking ok at Plymouth, Million can't get a game despite competing with one of the worst technical players in the league who's also fasting for Ramadan and Ennis is technically abysmal. We've got a squad who on the whole, can't do the absolute basics and then we keep adding players who can't control a ball, pass a ball, strike a ball.
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Post by mamathestriker on Apr 2, 2024 11:22:51 GMT
When you see it written down like that you realise how bad it has been again. Anyone connected with recruitment should hold their heads in shame. This we only need 4 or 5 players is absolute rubbish, we'll need that many replace the loans! You do have to remember that we needed numbers in because after years of woeful recruitment and disastrous mismanagement from top to bottom, we were left with pretty much nothing at the start of pre-season. What worries me most is, January's recruitment was poor again. Yes it's notoriously difficult, but Cundle has been garbage after looking ok at Plymouth, Million can't get a game despite competing with one of the worst technical players in the league who's also fasting for Ramadan and Ennis is technically abysmal. The numbers were definitely needed but the focus was all over the place. Too many risks, too many with no physical presence or pace, not enough ok leaders. Then the experienced Championship signings like Johnson were on the decline or average at best. I think we'll need at least 10 new players this summer.
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Post by boult on Apr 2, 2024 11:24:31 GMT
Tin Hat time but who cares:
Common 07/08 Starting Team:
GK: Simonsen DL: Dickinson / Wright about 50/50 DCs: Shawcross / Cort - Zaukani and Riggott used sparingly. DR: Wilkinson / Griffin about 50/50
Midfield: Lawrence / Eustace then Whelan (500k - Unbelievable) / Delap / Cresswell (stunning season) with Pugh (mostly), Matteo and Salif filling in
FCs: Ricardo and Mama. Beast Parkin off the bench 25 times.
The key was most of these players started in 35+ games, and most of them together. It helped that we got off to a bit of a flyer this season, but having the same squad run on to the park each week is invaluable. And my god they were fit (well maybe not Parkin, but we loved him).
It's easier said than done, but that's what the new crew must strive for, a consistent starting line-up.
In the 23/24 season (and probably the last few, I probably should check to confirm) it's chopping and changing galore.
Here's hoping we get another 07/08 season before I shuffle off...
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Apr 2, 2024 11:25:48 GMT
I'm optimistic we don't need another rebuild. 3 or 4 signings in key positions should do it. What’s your team then? This is what I think we need: GK Junior CB CB LB CM Burger Manhoef Bae LW Mmaee* *would totally sign another striker to start though Not far off that. GK (Iversen seems good enough if we keep him and he stays fit), one CB, LB, a striker, and maybe RW/LW. We'll probably sign at least 7 or 8 including loans, so if half of those are successful - especially in goal and at the goalscoring end of the pitch (where almost anything would be successful at the moment), then we should be looking at the top half of the table.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Apr 2, 2024 11:30:10 GMT
I'm optimistic we don't need another rebuild. 3 or 4 signings in key positions should do it. Do what exactly? 😂 Replacing half the first team is quite a rebuild and suggests 0 failures.. So far we have about 70% failure rate, so to turn into 100% success is quite the turn around. Yes like saying we will challenge playoffs next season. It's such a turn around from what all indicators suggest. I don't mean a 100% success rate. If we sign 8 players (including loans) and 50% of those are successful enough to be regular starters, then we should be in a better place. Assuming we keep a few of the promising players from this season like Burger and Bae. Others will also look better in a better team. I'm optimistic we don't need another rebuild. 3 or 4 signings in key positions should do it. Wrong. Sorry but there could be up to 10 players being replaced in the Summer. Factual from August last year and January this year. That doesn’t include players who we may wish to move on. Im hoping for a balanced change of personnel. Recruiting quality over quantity and going for the same in January I'm not wrong, it's an opinion.
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Post by pavel on Apr 2, 2024 11:35:53 GMT
There was always going to be another rebuild, lots of loans and speculative buys (understandably) last year after a massive clear out. Hopefully the next round can be more considered and concentrated on key areas. With Burger, JunHo and even Mmaee, Junior, manoef we can look to complement them to build a team rather than an assembly of individuals.
If we buy and loan sensibly we may have a team that can compete.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 2, 2024 11:36:26 GMT
LB Harrison Burrows (Peterborough if they don't get promoted) CH Eiran Cashin (Derby if they don't get promoted, left footed) CDM Bosun Lawal (Celtic currently on loan at Fleetwood) CF Stephen Humphries (Wigan out of contract) LW Chris Willock (QPR out of contract)
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 2, 2024 11:37:24 GMT
I'll tell you another thing as well, I don't want to see John Coates, Steven Schumacher and the technical director sat on stage with a microphone in hand talking about the Play-Offs, or down the local boozer with a pint of ale this pre-season. Nor do I want to see these shite player announcement videos all over Twitter.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Apr 2, 2024 11:41:50 GMT
The RB position is adequately stocked with Tchamadeu and Gooch and the two key players I’d definitely be rolling with are Burger and Bae.
Other than that everything is open isn’t it.
We need to sign a permanent, steady goalkeeper.
We probably need to two left backs, as good as Stevens is when he does play I wouldn’t keep him.
We won’t be able to get rid of both Wilmot and Rose in the summer but I’d like to see two quality starting CB’s come in.
CM’s - Not fussed if any of Baker, Laurent, Pearson and Thompson leave. Burger has one spot nailed and I think Bae should play as the 10 so that leaves one starting spot for a decent all round midfielder.
Wingers - Manhoef has a bit about him but I’m utterly bemused as to why we prioritised his signing in January only to not really use him. Bae does a job but as I’ve mentioned he should be a 10 in a 4231. The others are meh and thank god Haks can disappear after his loan ends. We need to sign a couple of wingers and hope we can send the likes of Vidigal back to Portugal.
Ennis has the work rate but that alone isn’t enough and he shouldn’t be the main man. Huge question marks over Mmaee still in terms of both attitude and talent. Thank the lord that Wesley and Campbell will be off. So that’s several strikers needed.
Yep another rebuild is required.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Apr 2, 2024 11:46:14 GMT
LB Harrison Burrows (Peterborough if they don't get promoted) CH Eiran Cashin (Derby if they don't get promoted, left footed) CDM Bosun Lawal (Celtic currently on loan at Fleetwood) CF Stephen Humphries (Wigan out of contract) LW Chris Willock (QPR out of contract) Not sure we're likely to get Cashin, he was off to Brighton in January but it fell through at the last minute, ran out of time I think.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 2, 2024 11:48:51 GMT
LB Harrison Burrows (Peterborough if they don't get promoted) CH Eiran Cashin (Derby if they don't get promoted, left footed) CDM Bosun Lawal (Celtic currently on loan at Fleetwood) CF Stephen Humphries (Wigan out of contract) LW Chris Willock (QPR out of contract) Not sure we're likely to get Cashin, he was off to Brighton in January but it fell through at the last minute, ran out of time I think. I think a Premier League team may take a punt on him absolutely, I suppose it boils down to whether he'd rather be a regular in the Championship or a bit part player at someone like Brighton. Usually players follow the money........
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Post by march4 on Apr 2, 2024 12:00:39 GMT
Above all else, we still need;
1. An aggressive leader at centre back. 2. A powerful goalscorer to lead the line.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 2, 2024 12:03:56 GMT
Above all else, we still need; 1. An aggressive leader at centre back. 2. A powerful goalscorer to lead the line. So does every team in the league.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 2, 2024 12:10:06 GMT
Do what exactly? 😂 Replacing half the first team is quite a rebuild and suggests 0 failures.. So far we have about 70% failure rate, so to turn into 100% success is quite the turn around. Yes like saying we will challenge playoffs next season. It's such a turn around from what all indicators suggest. I don't mean a 100% success rate. If we sign 8 players (including loans) and 50% of those are successful enough to be regular starters, then we should be in a better place. Assuming we keep a few of the promising players from this season like Burger and Bae. Others will also look better in a better team. Wrong. Sorry but there could be up to 10 players being replaced in the Summer. Factual from August last year and January this year. That doesn’t include players who we may wish to move on. Im hoping for a balanced change of personnel. Recruiting quality over quantity and going for the same in January I'm not wrong, it's an opinion. I assume you are aware that the reality is we could see 10 players going out in May/June, loan and out of contract players? FactualThere could be others i.e.the likes of Johnson. PossibleI did say I’d prefer to see quality over quantity recruitment and the same again in January. OpinionWe will still probably need to recruit between 6-8. simply to have a depth of squad. Unknown until end August
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 2, 2024 12:26:38 GMT
I think it's important to be pragmatic whether you need 4/5 players or 20.
We could have signed Will Keane for example on a free this season, he went to Preston. Leads the line really well, and contributes with goals and assists (12 goals and 3 assists in 30 games), would have been perfect for us in a 4-3-3 or 4-3-2-1 or even as a second striker in a 3-5-2 or 4-4-2. Instead we went for Wesley who is probably on more money......
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 2, 2024 12:54:46 GMT
I think it's important to be pragmatic whether you need 4/5 players or 20. We could have signed Will Keane for example on a free this season, he went to Preston. Leads the line really well, and contributes with goals and assists (12 goals and 3 assists in 30 games), would have been perfect for us in a 4-3-3 or 4-3-2-1 or even as a second striker in a 3-5-2 or 4-4-2. Instead we went for Wesley who is probably on more money...... Is quite possible to be fair he would have chosen Preston over us I remember an article in the Irish Independent when called up for the ROI and he spoke of how much he missed the NW when at Ipswich and jumped at the chance to move back. Was at Preston before I think without checking ,earlier in his career and called them his spiritual home although a lot of player throw out lines like that when signing for a club. Perhaps a juicier contract may have changed his mind of course and we would have been the club he always wanted to play for etc
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 2, 2024 12:57:45 GMT
I think it's important to be pragmatic whether you need 4/5 players or 20. We could have signed Will Keane for example on a free this season, he went to Preston. Leads the line really well, and contributes with goals and assists (12 goals and 3 assists in 30 games), would have been perfect for us in a 4-3-3 or 4-3-2-1 or even as a second striker in a 3-5-2 or 4-4-2. Instead we went for Wesley who is probably on more money...... Is quite possible to be fair he would have chosen Preston over us I remember an article in the Irish Independent when called up for the ROI and he spoke of how much he missed the NW when at Ipswich and jumped at the chance to move back. Was at Preston before I think without checking ,earlier in his career and called them his spiritual home although a lot of player throw out lines like that when signing for a club. Perhaps a juicier contract may have changed his mind of course and we would have been the club he always wanted to play for etc Possibly, we'd have definitely offered him more dosh though.......
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 2, 2024 13:24:34 GMT
Is quite possible to be fair he would have chosen Preston over us I remember an article in the Irish Independent when called up for the ROI and he spoke of how much he missed the NW when at Ipswich and jumped at the chance to move back. Was at Preston before I think without checking ,earlier in his career and called them his spiritual home although a lot of player throw out lines like that when signing for a club. Perhaps a juicier contract may have changed his mind of course and we would have been the club he always wanted to play for etc Possibly, we'd have definitely offered him more dosh though....... Yep...easy to say all that stuff until you see £ signs
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