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Post by Veritas on Mar 29, 2024 23:18:16 GMT
Doesn't matter who owns the energy companies, the prices are set by the global energy market. We could extract our own or produce our own electricity but the price will still be the same. It's another of those global organisations that we need to extract ourselves from. It does if a private company syphons off loads of money in dividends and management bonuses |
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Post by gawa on Mar 30, 2024 0:04:59 GMT
Why is energy cheaper in other countries? Doesn’t quite fit that narrative? France is somewhat cheaper than ours because it is subsidised by the government but they buy it in at the same as everyone else. They make alot of their own energy too though. I swear EDF is owned by the French government and is the very company I believe we may be paying quite a sum to, to create and manage nuclear plants. May be wrong but think I read something like this before. Just checked and they are wholly owned by the French government and we are paying them over 30 billion to make a nuclear plant in the uk which I'm sure they'll get profits from. That's why the French can afford to subsidise. Do we even have any publicly owned which other countries pay our state for the services of? Arriva who manage a number of our railways are also German government owned. Another company making huge profits of us and then subsidising rail in Germany. Some of our water is also owned by companoes owned by Singapore, Kuwait, Abu Duhabi and Chinese governments as well as Canadian and Australian pension schemes. I wish our politicians would talk more about our services being owned by foreign governments and taking back control of that when it comes to sovereignty. |
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Post by essexstokey on Mar 30, 2024 8:15:43 GMT
All they allowed the tories to sell if national assets at discount prices to give bribes and tax cuts fir the rich
Like all tory sell offs it's lead to under investment in infestruture and investors taking money out of the company's with inflated dividends sometimes paid for by company loans eg tgenes water
We have lost our national assets and now have foreign ownership including foreign states controling these industries that can create issues
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 30, 2024 9:18:10 GMT
Lets face it everything Thatcher touched has turned to shit. Council house sales ,Privatisation and the whole "Greed is Good" ethos. We are now living the Thatcherite dream.......................... There was a Thatcherite dream, that many bought into at the time, now, as a result, we are living the Thatcherite nightmare. So why didn’t 13 years of Labour administration turn this round Paul? Council house sales could easily have been curtailed couldn’t they? |
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Post by redstriper on Mar 30, 2024 9:34:09 GMT
I think that government underestimated the possibility of our utilities and other key services ending up in foreign ownership, and undervalued what they were selling as well. It was a huge mistake, but the logic of it did make some sense given how badly things were being run by the public sector.
But for balance, not everything thatcherite should be condemned in the same breath, she orchestrated much needed reforms, a much better deal with the EU, victory in the Falklands, made absolutely huge improvements to the business environment - facilitating a new generation of inventors and entrepreneurs which we needed. The country was stagnating when she took over, she wasn't afraid to make tough decisions and got many things right. In my view she modernised fairly effectively, and the 40 years of pathetically weak governments (from both sides) that we have had since has caused much more damage.
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Post by lordb on Mar 30, 2024 10:10:11 GMT
There was a Thatcherite dream, that many bought into at the time, now, as a result, we are living the Thatcherite nightmare. So why didn’t 13 years of Labour administration turn this round Paul? Council house sales could easily have been curtailed couldn’t they? Because 'New Labour' whilst still having some left wing policies was very much a centrist government who were not looking to fight the old battles Opportunity missed Concerned Starmer will make the same mistake with his absolutist tactic of 'Not being Corbyn' As I posted earlier imo taking the water industry into public ownership would be a vote winner but Starmer will worry about being seen as too left wing |
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 31, 2024 8:09:34 GMT
France is somewhat cheaper than ours because it is subsidised by the government but they buy it in at the same as everyone else. They make alot of their own energy too though. I swear EDF is owned by the French government and is the very company I believe we may be paying quite a sum to, to create and manage nuclear plants. May be wrong but think I read something like this before. Just checked and they are wholly owned by the French government and we are paying them over 30 billion to make a nuclear plant in the uk which I'm sure they'll get profits from. That's why the French can afford to subsidise. Do we even have any publicly owned which other countries pay our state for the services of? Arriva who manage a number of our railways are also German government owned. Another company making huge profits of us and then subsidising rail in Germany. Some of our water is also owned by companoes owned by Singapore, Kuwait, Abu Duhabi and Chinese governments as well as Canadian and Australian pension schemes. I wish our politicians would talk more about our services being owned by foreign governments and taking back control of that when it comes to sovereignty. Absolutely. We didn’t privatise. Governments still own our utilities and train companies. We just decided that the UK government is prohibited from doing so. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 31, 2024 10:36:56 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2024 10:56:45 GMT
It’s one of the main reasons I was and am so anti Brexit. How can you hang on about taking control when we don’t have control over all the above? And that wasn’t because of the EU, it’s British government policy. And then you see France and Germany having control over these things and yet they too were in the pesky EU. Just fucking laughable. Apart from it’s absolutely tragic. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 31, 2024 12:46:04 GMT
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Post by gawa on Mar 31, 2024 12:48:55 GMT
When did huddy hack your account? 😘 |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 31, 2024 13:32:49 GMT
When did huddy hack your account? 😘 Love a good Twitter link. Just the ones he posts are leftist wank usually. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 5, 2024 6:13:21 GMT
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 5, 2024 14:18:24 GMT
Thames Water's parent company starting to default on hundreds of millions of pounds worth of loans.
BBC News reporting discussions to re-privatise the company, possibly temporarily.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 5, 2024 16:27:11 GMT
Thames Water's parent company starting to default on hundreds of millions of pounds worth of loans. BBC News reporting discussions to re-privatise the company, possibly temporarily. The default would make 2 Chinese banks big shareholders. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 6, 2024 12:16:38 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 6, 2024 12:42:45 GMT
I saw that last night and literally cheered at the telly. Hislop for PM. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 16, 2024 8:10:42 GMT
According to the FT, privatised water firms have paid £78 billion in dividends since 1991, including £2.5 billion in two years since 2021. That £78bn is taxed at a far lower rate than the rate I pay for the majority of my income! The privatised water companies still have £8.2bn in debt www.ft.com/content/c3cdfefb-c912-4699-bb7f-72c5c6515757 |
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Post by adri2008 on Apr 16, 2024 8:56:52 GMT
Natural monopolies shouldn't be run by the private sector as there is zero benefit from it - why innovate if the consumer has no choice but to use you.
Not that the public sector is some sort of magic bullet either though - I've worked with various councils, NHS trusts etc and I often find IT systems/internal processes to be very inefficient and sometimes decades old, but you have a high level of resistance from management and staff who have got used to doing things in a very particular way with no real incentive to improve.
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