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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 25, 2024 16:03:19 GMT
It doesn't matter who the manager is we would still have the same players. They can't defend, score or play as a team. I don’t buy this. Yes they are the same players but good managers get the best from players and improve them. Try making a silk purse out of a pigs ear. Getting the best out of some of these still isn't good enough.
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 25, 2024 16:05:03 GMT
If his relationship between him and the Coates family was as strong as made out then yes. If this was a club he loved he would have warned us. I doubt we even asked the question like with many of our signings since he left. Pulis wanted to stick it to us every opportunity he got. He did warn us. We didn't listen. I've been at two dinner's this last year that both TP & PC have attended and I can categorically tell you that their relationship is as strong as ever. You couldn't get a piece of paper between the two of them, they are quite literally like Father & Son. If that's true then our club is run by idiots...we knew that already but it's disappointing seeing us make such poor decisions.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Feb 25, 2024 16:24:58 GMT
Pulis knew he was a bad egg and offloaded him on us. If he loved the club so much he would have warned us about him I am pretty sure he would have told Peter about him, Hughes pushed and pushed to get him I think to prove a point to TP who he didn't like one bit , as usual TP was right
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 25, 2024 16:32:29 GMT
Pulis knew he was a bad egg and offloaded him on us. If he loved the club so much he would have warned us about him I am pretty sure he would have told Peter about him, Hughes pushed and pushed to get him I think to prove a point to TP who he didn't like one bit , as usual TP was right That transfer had one pivotal figure and they aren’t mentioned in these posts
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Post by Davef on Feb 25, 2024 16:36:07 GMT
Pulis knew he was a bad egg and offloaded him in us. If he loved the club so much he would have warned us about him He did warn us. He advised PC to steer clear and not waste his money but PC said that he wouldn't go against the manager's decision to buy him. He might have a great relationship with Peter but he was also the West Brom manager and with the proceeds of the Berahino money he was able to spend £10M on Jake Livermore. I really doubt he'd have said anything to jeopardise getting Berahino out of what little hair he had left to bring in a player he wanted.
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Post by RAF on Feb 25, 2024 16:42:57 GMT
If his relationship between him and the Coates family was as strong as made out then yes. If this was a club he loved he would have warned us. I doubt we even asked the question like with many of our signings since he left. Pulis wanted to stick it to us every opportunity he got. He did warn us. We didn't listen. I've been at two dinner's this last year that both TP & PC have attended and I can categorically tell you that their relationship is as strong as ever. You couldn't get a piece of paper between the two of them, they are quite literally like Father & Son. That piece of paper? Was it his dossier? H
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Post by anchorman on Feb 25, 2024 16:43:16 GMT
He did warn us. He advised PC to steer clear and not waste his money but PC said that he wouldn't go against the manager's decision to buy him. He might have a great relationship with Peter but he was also the West Brom manager and with the proceeds of the Berahino money he was able to spend £10M on Jake Livermore. I really doubt he'd have said anything to jeopardise getting Berahino out of what little hair he had left to bring in a player he wanted. Fair enough, you can think it but that’s what happened.
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Post by anchorman on Feb 25, 2024 16:43:58 GMT
He did warn us. We didn't listen. I've been at two dinner's this last year that both TP & PC have attended and I can categorically tell you that their relationship is as strong as ever. You couldn't get a piece of paper between the two of them, they are quite literally like Father & Son. If that's true then our club is run by idiots...we knew that already but it's disappointing seeing us make such poor decisions. Absolutely
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 25, 2024 16:44:14 GMT
Why do Stoke fans have such a hard-on for ex-players being re-employed by the club in any way, shape, or form?
A failing business or school gets a whole new leadership team in - it doesn't promote from within during times of failure.
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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 25, 2024 16:53:11 GMT
Why do Stoke fans have such a hard-on for ex-players being re-employed by the club in any way, shape, or form? A failing business or school gets a whole new leadership team in - it doesn't promote from within during times of failure. It's the Stoke on Trent affliction of continually living in the past. This is one of the reasons that the city, let alone the football club, will never progress.
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 25, 2024 16:58:59 GMT
Absolutely agree, great player for us, but absolutely not qualified to be filling such an important job at a current championship side. God knows who will take over the extreme remit Martin had?.
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 25, 2024 17:00:27 GMT
Why do Stoke fans have such a hard-on for ex-players being re-employed by the club in any way, shape, or form? A failing business or school gets a whole new leadership team in - it doesn't promote from within during times of failure. It's the Stoke on Trent affliction of continually living in the past. This is one of the reasons that the city, let alone the football club, will never progress. The city that's ensuring high speed fibre to the home broadband in every street? Failing businesses need more than a change of management, cash flow is the biggest killer. Rolls Royce Aereo engines went under with a 3 year order book but no cash flow. Management is one aspect but there are many others.
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 25, 2024 17:00:40 GMT
Why do Stoke fans have such a hard-on for ex-players being re-employed by the club in any way, shape, or form? A failing business or school gets a whole new leadership team in - it doesn't promote from within during times of failure. I don't think there are that many ex players Stoke fans would like to see at the club other than Walters, Whelan and Shawcross, outside those I would say Lawrence but that's because you know they will give 110% and they have a huge connection to the club so will likely give that little bit extra because it's personal. They have all trained under professional coaches all their careers so it shouldn't be a difficult jump to make for them as a starting point.
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Post by wonderwall on Feb 25, 2024 17:01:54 GMT
Why do Stoke fans have such a hard-on for ex-players being re-employed by the club in any way, shape, or form? A failing business or school gets a whole new leadership team in - it doesn't promote from within during times of failure. Knows the club 🤣 Totally agree with you.
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 25, 2024 17:07:05 GMT
I don't disagree with it but I do disagree with why Walters has been appointed. It's nothing more than to distract from the absolute mess me are in. Jon Coates has tried to pull the wool over people's eyes with this appointment in a bid to take some criticism off himself. We need a new Director of Football right now to avoid a car crash summer of changes having to be made upstairs and then the club suffering on the pitch because of it
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 25, 2024 17:17:38 GMT
My point isn't against SJW, who I have spent many a Sunday morning with at the training ground - he's moaned about the club more than me.
But we employ a massive % of ex-players and I don't see that elsewhere - and we've had several years of utter failure. Take the womens team - still playing at Norton Utd despite being semi-pro.
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Post by ibby on Feb 25, 2024 17:21:32 GMT
NO thanks.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 25, 2024 17:36:15 GMT
Give it Gally ‘till the end of the season. Why? He's coached them appallingly all season. Should have gone with Neil. It was a piss take mate. A few years ago there was a meme of a United fan saying “give it Giggsy till the end of the season” when David Moyes got sacked. I was just referencing that. Didn’t come out well in translation be fair.
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Post by werrington on Feb 25, 2024 18:02:26 GMT
Why do Stoke fans have such a hard-on for ex-players being re-employed by the club in any way, shape, or form? A failing business or school gets a whole new leadership team in - it doesn't promote from within during times of failure. I don't think there are that many ex players Stoke fans would like to see at the club other than Walters, Whelan and Shawcross, outside those I would say Lawrence but that's because you know they will give 110% and they have a huge connection to the club so will likely give that little bit extra because it's personal. They have all trained under professional coaches all their careers so it shouldn't be a difficult jump to make for them as a starting point. It was for Alan Shearer at Newcastle
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 25, 2024 18:12:13 GMT
I don't think there are that many ex players Stoke fans would like to see at the club other than Walters, Whelan and Shawcross, outside those I would say Lawrence but that's because you know they will give 110% and they have a huge connection to the club so will likely give that little bit extra because it's personal. They have all trained under professional coaches all their careers so it shouldn't be a difficult jump to make for them as a starting point. It was for Alan Shearer at Newcastle I don't mean as manager, coaching at a lower level. They should start off at the bottom and work their way up.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 25, 2024 18:16:13 GMT
We are in one hell of a mess,an inexperienced manager is the last thing we need
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 25, 2024 18:22:04 GMT
I don’t buy this. Yes they are the same players but good managers get the best from players and improve them. Try making a silk purse out of a pigs ear. Getting the best out of some of these still isn't good enough. Disagree, I think you can get more out of these and we have a few players who are capable of much better. Ok we’re not gonna win the league but we have enough with the right manager to be much further up the table.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 25, 2024 18:23:21 GMT
Try making a silk purse out of a pigs ear. Getting the best out of some of these still isn't good enough. Disagree, I think you can get more out of these and we have a few players who are capable of much better. Ok we’re not gonna win the league but we have enough with the right manager to be much further up the table. They aren't. Who you bringing in?
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 25, 2024 18:28:53 GMT
Disagree, I think you can get more out of these and we have a few players who are capable of much better. Ok we’re not gonna win the league but we have enough with the right manager to be much further up the table. They aren't. Who you bringing in? Literally anyone, could they do much worse than losing 6 out of 7? The alternative is pretty much nailed on relegation- I’d try another method
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Post by wokka59 on Feb 25, 2024 18:41:39 GMT
Why do Stoke fans have such a hard-on for ex-players being re-employed by the club in any way, shape, or form? A failing business or school gets a whole new leadership team in - it doesn't promote from within during times of failure. isnt that what we did with Alex Neil?, that went well
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Post by anchorman on Feb 25, 2024 19:42:37 GMT
He did warn us. We didn't listen. I've been at two dinner's this last year that both TP & PC have attended and I can categorically tell you that their relationship is as strong as ever. You couldn't get a piece of paper between the two of them, they are quite literally like Father & Son. That piece of paper? Was it his dossier? H I bet you can’t wait to read the dossier’s of the last 6/7 Stoke City managers…that’ll make scintillating reading.
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Post by RAF on Feb 25, 2024 20:27:14 GMT
That piece of paper? Was it his dossier? H I bet you can’t wait to read the dossier’s of the last 6/7 Stoke City managers…that’ll make scintillating reading. I'd be amazed if any of them had one. H
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Post by marylandstoke on Feb 25, 2024 20:35:45 GMT
U believe we’re going to bring in a manager with no experience whatsoever? Why not, they've tried virtually every other avenue. At this stage, I'm thinking Pudsey Bear could do a better job than the others we've had in. Mrs Bear dislikes this post.
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 25, 2024 20:49:35 GMT
Anyone else think this is the back up plan Coates Jr has in mind? Definitely not
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Post by anchorman on Feb 25, 2024 20:58:58 GMT
I bet you can’t wait to read the dossier’s of the last 6/7 Stoke City managers…that’ll make scintillating reading. I'd be amazed if any of them had one. H Absolutely. Nothing worth writing I guess…being serial losers..nothing to see here.
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