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Post by stokecitydom on Feb 14, 2024 19:38:09 GMT
It just makes no sense how players can start on Saturday and then be completely out of the squad only a few days later.
It’s all very random and shows little joined up thinking.
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Post by headsgoup on Feb 14, 2024 19:38:51 GMT
Well, I said 3412 makes us look solid.
Gulp.
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Post by figo85 on Feb 14, 2024 19:39:11 GMT
A very very unhappy Vidigal as he ignored a lot of supporters and kids outside Best player we have on the books and wastes him. In fact we have too many players and can never see a settled side. In August he might have been, but he’s been hopeless of late. Spends to much time falling over and feigning injury.
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 14, 2024 19:40:11 GMT
Hoever as one of the back 3 gives me shivers He had one of his best games for us there against Brighton. I think he's more of a right-sided defender than a full or wing back.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 14, 2024 19:41:02 GMT
Gally's Xmas tree formation
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Post by stokie1947 on Feb 14, 2024 19:45:32 GMT
5 more changes we need a settled team not all these changes every match i am slowly losing faith in tn this guy
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Post by wrexhamstokie90 on Feb 14, 2024 19:49:53 GMT
Of course shuey doesn’t know his best team he’s only just got here we don’t an we’ve been here all season
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 14, 2024 19:52:55 GMT
Bloody rubbish. Get Ennis off
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Post by PenkPonther on Feb 14, 2024 20:00:03 GMT
Rub-a-dub-dub, More change at the club, Now who will our midfield be? Berger and Baker and Cundle, Schumacher? We'll still f*cking lose by three!
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Post by jeycov on Feb 14, 2024 21:52:48 GMT
Surely most of this starting 11 have to start on Saturday
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Post by wearepremierleague on Feb 14, 2024 21:59:11 GMT
Surely most of this starting 11 have to start on Saturday We’ll lose comfortably if we try to play like that against Coventry.
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Post by i1da on Feb 14, 2024 23:24:54 GMT
It just makes no sense how players can start on Saturday and then be completely out of the squad only a few days later. It’s all very random and shows little joined up thinking. They were tired/injured? They were getting what they deserved for a performance that motivated a rousing rendition of "You're not fit to wear the shirt"? Someone else fit the game plan better? We should have enough to overcome QPR with a different set of players? Squad rotation? Keeping certain players fresh for Saturday? Player personal issues? Nah ...... It's easier to say "very random and shows little joined up thinking"! Besides, that suits the agenda better than giving the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by greyface on Feb 14, 2024 23:42:06 GMT
It definitely wasn’t 3412, was 4-2-3-1 Burger needed help in the middle and got it from Baker who stepped up. Feel like he’s finally worked out the guys who will put in a shift which is exactly what we need as a starting point. Hoping we don’t see Vidigal anywhere near the team again. Cundle’s strength is his energy to press and he’s suited to the role he played tonight as the 10 but he lacks (from what I’ve seen so far) the creativity, although his numbers at Plymouth suggest he has it in his locker. I know it’s one result but I could see a team in that lot tonight. Well done lads 👏👏👏
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Post by jm on Feb 14, 2024 23:44:05 GMT
Best defensive performance of the season. I rate Wilmot but Rose and McNally works better as a partnership. Hoever looks better more central too
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 14, 2024 23:45:29 GMT
Good result.
Don’t think it really worked though.
The two wider players had stinkers. Thompson doesn’t know what he’s doing in the role and it’s to be expected.
Didn’t see the 2 aspect either. Ennis was isolated really.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 14, 2024 23:52:55 GMT
Same formation for Saturday. Gooch McN Rose Hoever RWB Millions LWB Thompson CM Burger CM Baker AM Bae AM Ennis
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Post by thepottypotter on Feb 15, 2024 0:01:39 GMT
It works. Stick with it and the same team.
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Post by degoeystache on Feb 15, 2024 0:07:13 GMT
If we play that formation against Coventry we will get a pasting. Delighted with the three points but we sat back for the entire second half and invited attack after attack and fortunately we stood strong.
Man to man at the back leaving us wide open to a ball over the top and gaping holes in the middle of the park, exploited down the flanks at times. We only looked solid when we had 10 or 11 men behind the ball for the whole of the second half. I hope to god we go back to 4 at the back.
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 15, 2024 6:43:46 GMT
A much needed pragmatic approach last night, we had full backs who actually played as full backs and two sitting central midfield players protecting the back four and no suicidal high back line.
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 15, 2024 6:58:38 GMT
When defending we basically had a 5-4-1 but with a 'box' of two DMs and two AMs as the midfield. It floods the middle of the pitch with bodies, and while it invites pressure, it's hard for teams to break through.
When attacking, it's a 3-4-2-1 as the two wing backs move up somewhere level with the two DMs. It relies on the wing backs to really bomb forward and puts a lot of emphasis on the two AMs to create things and be inventive.
It's definitely an attempt to address our failings at the back by putting bodies in there, which is exactly what's needed. We couldn't carry on trying to push the full backs forward in a system using 4 at the back, as the centre backs are nowhere near good enough to cope. Having 3 CBs makes up for their individual incompetence with an extra body in there.
Personally I'd switch one of the two AMs (Cundle) for another striker as it gives you the option to go a bit more direct. (3-4-1-2)
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Post by idle on Feb 15, 2024 7:31:02 GMT
When defending we basically had a 5-4-1 but with a 'box' of two DMs and two AMs as the midfield. It floods the middle of the pitch with bodies, and while it invites pressure, it's hard for teams to break through. When attacking, it's a 3-4-2-1 as the two wing backs move up somewhere level with the two DMs. It relies on the wing backs to really bomb forward and puts a lot of emphasis on the two AMs to create things and be inventive. It's definitely an attempt to address our failings at the back by putting bodies in there, which is exactly what's needed. We couldn't carry on trying to push the full backs forward in a system using 4 at the back, as the centre backs are nowhere near good enough to cope. Having 3 CBs makes up for their individual incompetence with an extra body in there. Personally I'd switch one of the two AMs (Cundle) for another striker as it gives you the option to go a bit more direct. (3-4-1-2) I also thought we played a 3421, but Junior was definitely more offensive than Thompson so it looked a bit like a 4231. I suspect that's just the players' style of play though, and not how Schuey set them up.
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 15, 2024 7:42:47 GMT
When defending we basically had a 5-4-1 but with a 'box' of two DMs and two AMs as the midfield. It floods the middle of the pitch with bodies, and while it invites pressure, it's hard for teams to break through. When attacking, it's a 3-4-2-1 as the two wing backs move up somewhere level with the two DMs. It relies on the wing backs to really bomb forward and puts a lot of emphasis on the two AMs to create things and be inventive. It's definitely an attempt to address our failings at the back by putting bodies in there, which is exactly what's needed. We couldn't carry on trying to push the full backs forward in a system using 4 at the back, as the centre backs are nowhere near good enough to cope. Having 3 CBs makes up for their individual incompetence with an extra body in there. Personally I'd switch one of the two AMs (Cundle) for another striker as it gives you the option to go a bit more direct. (3-4-1-2) I also thought we played a 3421, but Junior was definitely more offensive than Thompson so it looked a bit like a 4231. I suspect that's just the players' style of play though, and not how Schuey set them up. It was definitely a 3-4-2-1 but yeah, one wing-back may be a bit more adventurous than the other.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 15, 2024 9:03:47 GMT
There’s no way it was a 4231
The left of the 3 in that formation last night would have been Thompson and he was doing the inverted full back role bollocks thing.
Junho and Cundle floated abit higher across the pitch but one mainly stuck to the left centre and one right centre. And then Ennis.
Bar getting a result which is great it didn’t really work imo and we can be way better balanced than that and still win games.
Hoever, Junior, Thompson and Cundle didn’t play well last night and McNally for the first 20 was on toast really. So there’s lots of improvement to be made.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 15, 2024 9:07:50 GMT
Whatever it was, I can’t say I enjoyed that last night. In fact second half in particular was dross. Happy for the win but I really hope the manager doesn’t use that as his blueprint moving forward.
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Post by figo85 on Feb 15, 2024 9:11:08 GMT
It was a more pragmatic approach to get points on the board, and to that end, the tactics worked. Was it a blockbuster ? Not by any means but it did what was needed which was to get a vital win, at home.
People moan when we go all out and lose 3-1 and then moan when we set up more cautiously and come away with a much needed win.
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 15, 2024 9:17:05 GMT
Of course it's not what or how the manager wants to play. He wants to play expansive attractive football, but if he had done so last night and lost, he would have been crucified. We need to be pragmatic, get to the end of the season, then have pre season drilling down the basics of his style,rather than what he has to try mid season.
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Post by jokker on Feb 15, 2024 12:03:43 GMT
It just makes no sense how players can start on Saturday and then be completely out of the squad only a few days later. It’s all very random and shows little joined up thinking. It's called planning. Planning ahead in a week of three games. If you listened to Cavanagh's pre match interview on Saturday, that's what he said.
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Post by Northy on Feb 16, 2024 14:13:39 GMT
Was Johnson dropped from the squad or injured?
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Post by Veritas on Feb 16, 2024 14:22:32 GMT
It just makes no sense how players can start on Saturday and then be completely out of the squad only a few days later. It’s all very random and shows little joined up thinking. It's called planning. Planning ahead in a week of three games. If you listened to Cavanagh's pre match interview on Saturday, that's what he said. Exactly and if you look at his record at Plymouth he regularly made several changes per game based on both fixture schedule and how the opposition line up in addition to the normal issues of player fitness and form.
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Post by jokker on Feb 16, 2024 18:38:25 GMT
It's called planning. Planning ahead in a week of three games. If you listened to Cavanagh's pre match interview on Saturday, that's what he said. Exactly and if you look at his record at Plymouth he regularly made several changes per game based on both fixture schedule and how the opposition line up in addition to the normal issues of player fitness and form. Well, NJ, MON and AN (as well as a lot of other managers, including Guardiola, Klopp and Arteta), also used this approach. and were frequently critised for it and accused of not knowing their best eleven. Which is complete rubbish. Of course a manager always has a fairly accurate idea about who his best players are, but such planning, injuries, ordinary fitness, form, internationals away, suspensions, and other disciplinary measures (not always made public), often make it hard or impossible to field them. I expect we'll see more changes for the Coventry game, though probably not as many as eight.
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