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Post by philb on Jan 28, 2024 10:09:22 GMT
Our "summer reset" is looking more and more like a complete shambles with every week. Only Burger, Junior, Jun-Ho and (to a limited extent) Vidigal have really had any kind of positive impact on our season. I would probably add Gooch onto that list as well. That pretty much tells you everything you need to know. Our central defenders are average at best and we only have one senior left back at the club. We have looked extremely poor defensively in the last couple of games. At the other end of the pitch we have very limited creativity and no one capable of scoring goals on a regular (or even semi-regular) basis. We cleared out lots of deadwood in the summer and managed to replace them with morr deadwood. Of the CBs I think that McNally is the worst on recent showings in the case of Rose and Wilmott I don’t think they’re that bad but together they’re just to weak as a pairing. The way Rose got beaten to the ball for the first was really poor. One of them needs a big bruiser in the mould of Huth, Ryan or Schtaniuk next to them. Then they’d be a lot better. Someone like Lascelles or similar would be perfect or Cresswell. The two centre backs would benefit with having regular decent fullbacks alongside them. We’ve been a complete shit show in that department for ages now. How bad are things that we are currently playing a right footed central midfielder in Thompson in one of those spots.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 28, 2024 10:12:11 GMT
Spend the money on Thomas assante
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Jan 28, 2024 10:19:48 GMT
Could it be possible we cannot spend any money due to FFP or we have to sell before we buy?
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 28, 2024 11:28:46 GMT
Could it be possible we cannot spend any money due to FFP or we have to sell before we buy? The bigger problem we are probably facing is: a) Where are we going to find good quality players for the right price in the January window? b) How are we going to attract good quality players to come here mid-season when the best we are probably going to achieve is a bottom half finish. It is probably quite telling that our two signings so far have been someone we have chased for a while (Iverson) and someone the manager already knows and has a good relationship with (Cundle). I am not sure that we are going to make any big moves before the window closes - although I hope that I am wrong!
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Post by yellowsnowman on Jan 28, 2024 11:38:30 GMT
Out of 18 new players 4/5 good enough. The summer window was a massive fail. Rubbish.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 28, 2024 11:49:31 GMT
Could it be possible we cannot spend any money due to FFP or we have to sell before we buy? The bigger problem we are probably facing is: a) Where are we going to find good quality players for the right price in the January window? b) How are we going to attract good quality players to come here mid-season when the best we are probably going to achieve is a bottom half finish. It is probably quite telling that our two signings so far have been someone we have chased for a while (Iverson) and someone the manager already knows and has a good relationship with (Cundle). I am not sure that we are going to make any big moves before the window closes - although I hope that I am wrong! In the case of a striker I don’t think they have to brilliant just a certain type. Someone that will work his socks off, press, hold the ball up and bring others into play. We don’t currently have any that do that. Our current choice of strikers and attacking options is shocking and a huge problem Wesley - Hopeless. Offers nothing. Gayle - Was very good once but needs to retire now. Mmaee - There’s a player there. Might work in a 2 but looks lazy at times. Vidigal - Had high hopes for him but recently has looked very lightweight. Can’t beat his man either. Lowe - Just not ready yet. Campbell - Half the player he thinks he is. Haks - Not sure what he is but he’s contributed nothing positive in his appearances. Bar Lowe there’s not one of them would be missed if they moved tomorrow.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 28, 2024 13:37:10 GMT
The bigger problem we are probably facing is: a) Where are we going to find good quality players for the right price in the January window? b) How are we going to attract good quality players to come here mid-season when the best we are probably going to achieve is a bottom half finish. It is probably quite telling that our two signings so far have been someone we have chased for a while (Iverson) and someone the manager already knows and has a good relationship with (Cundle). I am not sure that we are going to make any big moves before the window closes - although I hope that I am wrong! In the case of a striker I don’t think they have to brilliant just a certain type. Someone that will work his socks off, press, hold the ball up and bring others into play. We don’t currently have any that do that. Our current choice of strikers and attacking options is shocking and a huge problem Wesley - Hopeless. Offers nothing. Gayle - Was very good once but needs to retire now. Mmaee - There’s a player there. Might work in a 2 but looks lazy at times. Vidigal - Had high hopes for him but recently has looked very lightweight. Can’t beat his man either. Lowe - Just not ready yet. Campbell - Half the player he thinks he is. Haks - Not sure what he is but he’s contributed nothing positive in his appearances. Bar Lowe there’s not one of them would be missed if they moved tomorrow. I would agree with that. We really need someone who can play as a central striker and bring others into play effectively. I doubt we would be able to sign a proven goal scorer at this point in the season. In the summer it would be no surprise if most of our forwards/wingers are replaced- which tells its own story really.
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Post by anchorman on Jan 28, 2024 13:42:54 GMT
As much as we needs a striker, there’s a greater need for a CB. Alarmingly, the post match comments were about us being ok defensively. That is something we are most definitely not. In a perfect world we bring in a CF & a CH. If not I fear for us.
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Post by smudger46 on Jan 28, 2024 13:54:27 GMT
i have said for some years now that we need a proper striker , if i can see that and most others on this board why can the recruitment team not see this. are they that incompertent.
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Post by mamathestriker on Jan 28, 2024 14:05:06 GMT
As much as AN (rightly) had the light shone on his failings, as SS will (although hopefully not!), so should Tricky and Jared.
They were tasked with coming up not only with a team, but a competent squad who could really challenge and give us hope.
I hope questions are being asked about them at 365 HQ. It's a big week for them. They need to be working around the clock to get us what we need THIS week.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 28, 2024 14:20:28 GMT
As much as we needs a striker, there’s a greater need for a CB. Alarmingly, the post match comments were about us being ok defensively. That is something we are most definitely not. In a perfect world we bring in a CF & a CH. If not I fear for us. Goals against we’re top 10. Goals for we’re bottom 4. We’re OK defensively.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 28, 2024 14:24:54 GMT
We are SPECTACULARLY shit at signing strikers.
Gayle - buff said Wes- utter shite Vidigal- ok but generally not good enough Mmaee - weak
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 28, 2024 14:39:07 GMT
How have we collected so many players who can't put the ball in the net. Every time we cart one off, we spend money on another who also can't put the ball on the net. Buy cheap, buy twice. We'd also perfected "buy expensive, keep buying" and that didn't seem to work great either!
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Post by anchorman on Jan 28, 2024 17:47:33 GMT
As much as we needs a striker, there’s a greater need for a CB. Alarmingly, the post match comments were about us being ok defensively. That is something we are most definitely not. In a perfect world we bring in a CF & a CH. If not I fear for us. Goals against we’re top 10. Goals for we’re bottom 4. We’re OK defensively. We’re not ok defensively. We concede soft goals and if you’re in the middle of a goal drought like we are you need to ensure that you’re not conceding and right now we’ve conceded 5 goals in a week, scored a tap in and an own goal. At the end of the day whether we bring in a CB and/or a CF I honestly don’t care as long as we start winning matches.
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Post by anchorman on Jan 28, 2024 18:04:31 GMT
Watching Newport v The Shit..how good as Delaney been for Newport, a superb, gritty no nonsenses centre half performance. I can remember the last time I saw a Stoke CB actually do that. Well played!
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Post by anchorman on Jan 28, 2024 18:05:07 GMT
As in CAN’T remember!
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Post by baconburger on Jan 28, 2024 18:52:54 GMT
Goals against we’re top 10. Goals for we’re bottom 4. We’re OK defensively. We’re not ok defensively. We concede soft goals and if you’re in the middle of a goal drought like we are you need to ensure that you’re not conceding and right now we’ve conceded 5 goals in a week, scored a tap in and an own goal. At the end of the day whether we bring in a CB and/or a CF I honestly don’t care as long as we start winning matches. A goal conceded counts as one whether it’s soft or not. The worst thing you can do when you’re not scoring is dedicate more resources to defence, that Lambertesque anti logic. Take one of our chances at 0-0 yesterday and I’m pretty sure the whole game pans out entirely differently.
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Post by collo68 on Jan 28, 2024 19:11:01 GMT
We’re not ok defensively. We concede soft goals and if you’re in the middle of a goal drought like we are you need to ensure that you’re not conceding and right now we’ve conceded 5 goals in a week, scored a tap in and an own goal. At the end of the day whether we bring in a CB and/or a CF I honestly don’t care as long as we start winning matches. A goal conceded counts as one whether it’s soft or not. The worst thing you can do when you’re not scoring is dedicate more resources to defence, that Lambertesque anti logic. Take one of our chances at 0-0 yesterday and I’m pretty sure the whole game pans out entirely differently. Absolutely spot on. In any game of football especially the higher up you go you have to score when your on top as your never going to dominate all the game
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Post by baconburger on Jan 28, 2024 19:18:22 GMT
A goal conceded counts as one whether it’s soft or not. The worst thing you can do when you’re not scoring is dedicate more resources to defence, that Lambertesque anti logic. Take one of our chances at 0-0 yesterday and I’m pretty sure the whole game pans out entirely differently. Absolutely spot on. In any game of football especially the higher up you go you have to score when your on top as your never going to dominate all the game Well apparently we didn’t score anywhere near enough goals because of the former managers negative tactics. Well now we know they don’t score when the tactics are positive either. Add to that we don’t try to batter, niggle and thus fatigue a defence and it turns into an easy days work for defenders playing against us.
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Post by anchorman on Jan 28, 2024 22:30:27 GMT
We’re not ok defensively. We concede soft goals and if you’re in the middle of a goal drought like we are you need to ensure that you’re not conceding and right now we’ve conceded 5 goals in a week, scored a tap in and an own goal. At the end of the day whether we bring in a CB and/or a CF I honestly don’t care as long as we start winning matches. A goal conceded counts as one whether it’s soft or not. The worst thing you can do when you’re not scoring is dedicate more resources to defence, that Lambertesque anti logic. Take one of our chances at 0-0 yesterday and I’m pretty sure the whole game pans out entirely differently. Keep the back door shut and you get a point, miss your chances and fail to defend correctly and you lose and end up with 0 points.
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Post by a on Jan 28, 2024 22:38:40 GMT
How have we collected so many players who can't put the ball in the net. Every time we cart one off, we spend money on another who also can't put the ball on the net. Buy cheap, buy twice. Measure twice, cut once
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 29, 2024 0:55:38 GMT
Goals against we’re top 10. Goals for we’re bottom 4. We’re OK defensively. We’re not ok defensively. We concede soft goals and if you’re in the middle of a goal drought like we are you need to ensure that you’re not conceding and right now we’ve conceded 5 goals in a week, scored a tap in and an own goal. At the end of the day whether we bring in a CB and/or a CF I honestly don’t care as long as we start winning matches. Defensively we’re 7th.
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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 3, 2024 18:47:04 GMT
They mustn't be allowed to have the summer.
I'd sack them now to be honest.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 3, 2024 18:48:10 GMT
Who needs centre backs when you can sign bang average forward players.
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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 3, 2024 18:51:20 GMT
Who needs centre backs when you can sign bang average forward players. Data driven recruitment mate. Only problem there is we've neglected things like character, physicality, how they'll cope with the rigours of a Championship season. Then the ones we have signed who knows the league (Johnson, Gooch etc) are bang average. What a mess.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 3, 2024 18:56:40 GMT
Who needs centre backs when you can sign bang average forward players. Data driven recruitment mate. Only problem there is we've neglected things like character, physicality, how they'll cope with the rigours of a Championship season. Then the ones we have signed who knows the league (Johnson, Gooch etc) are bang average. What a mess. Great point. This goes hand in hand with my preference for an experienced manager who has authority and is able to nurture character in players
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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 3, 2024 19:03:46 GMT
Data driven recruitment mate. Only problem there is we've neglected things like character, physicality, how they'll cope with the rigours of a Championship season. Then the ones we have signed who knows the league (Johnson, Gooch etc) are bang average. What a mess. Great point. This goes hand in hand with my preference for an experienced manager who has authority and is able to nurture character in players I'd have gone for Sam Allardyce, but that would have meant us getting rid of Tricky and Slicky. Imagine Big Sam trying work with those two chancers.
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Post by ruts66 on Feb 3, 2024 19:18:17 GMT
They mustn't be allowed to have the summer. I'd sack them now to be honest. Unfortunately, the man responsible for their sacking also needs sacking and we’re stuck in this never-ending cycle until it happens. For the love of God, John, step down and employ the calibre of person needed to turn this club around…
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Post by AlanHansen on Feb 3, 2024 19:23:51 GMT
I'll post one thing. A blind man on a galloping horse can see we've for a number of windows have been literally screaming out for a commanding centre half with a pair of bollocks, and a fit and competent left back.
And as another window has closed those gaps still remain, and we've signed two more nothing players in areas least needed.
Heads need to roll.
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 3, 2024 21:29:26 GMT
Don’t go into a season with only one left back. Especially if he’s bang average at best, and miles over the hill.
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