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Post by marwood on Dec 3, 2023 19:04:26 GMT
Weve also won or drawn a few games in which we didnt deserve to win its called CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL Whether we've won or lost, if we've deserved to win or lose is still irrelevant once that full time whistle goes!!! I agree, my comment was more aimed at AN's lackadaisical attitude to loss
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 3, 2023 19:11:27 GMT
Whether we've won or lost, if we've deserved to win or lose is still irrelevant once that full time whistle goes!!! I agree, my comment was more aimed at AN's lackadaisical attitude to loss Sorry then Marwood!!! 😁👍🏼
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Post by jokker on Dec 4, 2023 14:03:36 GMT
No, no, that won't do. Ty could gave misfired, he often does... Seriously, are you ok? Not particulatly seriously but...if a player goes against the team orders, the manager's orders, which you say was "not to win", then that player has got to be finished at the club, or at least banished to the bomb squad until the next manager arrives.
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Post by jokker on Dec 4, 2023 14:11:50 GMT
He doesn't have a best eleven let alone a style of football . He probably has a best eleven somewhere in his brain but he hasn't been able to seleet all eleven at the same time. Anyway best elevens are a hazy thing of the past. Name me a top manager who plays his best eleven week in week out. Similarly regarding playing style. Some on here see that as indecision but it really it shows a flexible manager who is able to work around several different styles, sometimes over the course of the game. Last week someone praised Pep for changing the team's playing style three times in the same game. Now Neil isn't Guardiola, and the latter has quality players in abundance. while the former has none at all...
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Post by jokker on Dec 4, 2023 15:06:57 GMT
As the manager of the club we all support and want to do as well as possible I think we are all going to listen aren't we mate. If you know from experience that you don't like the manager's excuses, then you listen to him anyway, and then complain that you don't like his excuses, what does that make you?
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Post by BristolMick on Dec 4, 2023 19:45:45 GMT
phone call to agent Pulis please Obsessed
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 4, 2023 22:52:49 GMT
As the manager of the club we all support and want to do as well as possible I think we are all going to listen aren't we mate. If you know from experience that you don't like the manager's excuses, then you listen to him anyway, and then complain that you don't like his excuses, what does that make you? I am a Stoke fan through and through mate and will listen to our manager after the game whoever that may be and especially at the minute while I'm not able to get to the games. That doesn't mean I have to like the bullshit excuses though. The answer to your question is it makes me a fan who is interested in what our manager has got to say after yet another piss poor defeat to a side we should be beating.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 4, 2023 22:58:19 GMT
He probably has a best eleven somewhere in his brain but he hasn't been able to seleet all eleven at the same time. Anyway best elevens are a hazy thing of the past. Name me a top manager who plays his best eleven week in week out. Similarly regarding playing style. Some on here see that as indecision but it really it shows a flexible manager who is able to work around several different styles, sometimes over the course of the game. Last week someone praised Pep for changing the team's playing style three times in the same game. Now Neil isn't Guardiola, and the latter has quality players in abundance. while the former has none at all... There's being flexible and then there is changing five to six players every single week. As for the style of football come on mate now you know certain teams style of football and what you are getting. We don't have one at all. Yes Pep will change his system during a match to win a game because he's a football manager who knows what he's doing. That is sort of the point. You are going on mate like Alex Neil hasn't bought his players in himself. If the players are no good as you say then who's fault is that? It certainly isn't Peps is it.
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Post by jokker on Dec 5, 2023 10:29:12 GMT
There's being flexible and then there is changing five to six players every single week. As for the style of football come on mate now you know certain teams style of football and what you are getting. We don't have one at all. Yes Pep will change his system during a match to win a game because he's a football manager who knows what he's doing. That is sort of the point. You are going on mate like Alex Neil hasn't bought his players in himself. If the players are no good as you say then who's fault is that? He bought the players that were willing to sign/liked the wages offered. Apart from the likes of Pearson, I'm sure that Neil, like Jones and O'Neill before him, had a whole different shopping list with 100 names on it, but they weren't interested in going here. So for those who were on offer and did sign he's had to create a unity. It can be done, but it hasn't happened. Perhaps in this case it never will, but we don't know that for certain.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 5, 2023 10:32:48 GMT
So we haven't fired this guy yet. What the fuck are we doing man.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Dec 5, 2023 10:42:54 GMT
So we haven't fired this guy yet. What the fuck are we doing man. Come on, both you and I know theyre waiting until its too late ....
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 5, 2023 11:53:11 GMT
He bought the players that were willing to sign/liked the wages offered. Apart from the likes of Pearson, I'm sure that Neil, like Jones and O'Neill before him, had a whole different shopping list with 100 names on it, but they weren't interested in going here. So for those who were on offer and did sign he's had to create a unity. It can be done, but it hasn't happened. Perhaps in this case it never will, but we don't know that for certain. I think we know it never will with him mate don't we by now. I really wanted him to turn it around as chopping and changing managers is never a good thing but he's not going to turn it around so we need to act before we are in more shit than we are now imo.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 5, 2023 11:58:40 GMT
Also says Plymouth have been playing together for a long time but we've only been together for a few months. They were playing in league 1 last season - dickwad! Gouranga. Plymouth couldn't get going in the first half hour. Nothing worked for them. They gifted us a hat full of chances. But we hung on in their, kept them in the game and got the defeat, right at the death . Lol 😁 😆 🤣
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Dec 5, 2023 12:05:41 GMT
Don’t know what the fuss is about
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Post by jokker on Dec 5, 2023 13:59:52 GMT
I think we know it never will with him mate don't we by now. I really wanted him to turn it around as chopping and changing managers is never a good thing but he's not going to turn it around so we need to act before we are in more shit than we are now imo. I should be happy that he's failing as I never wanted him here, but of course it comes with a too high price, the club's failing too. I think there's no way that anyone can definitely say at this stage that he can't turn it around. It's only the time before the international break that Stoke had a five match unbeaten run and optimism was sky high, with PO places not far in the distance (as in fact they still aren't). I thought the Neilfest was premature and I promptly received plenty flak for saying so. Now the backlash is for saying that it is in no way over... The championship is such a beast because there's really no middle ground. You're either in the PO mix or you're in the bottom mix even when you are several points away from one or the other. The only time you can say anything definite is when the table tells you that it's mathematically impossible.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 5, 2023 18:35:52 GMT
I should be happy that he's failing as I never wanted him here, but of course it comes with a too high price, the club's failing too. I think there's no way that anyone can definitely say at this stage that he can't turn it around. It's only the time before the international break that Stoke had a five match unbeaten run and optimism was sky high, with PO places not far in the distance (as in fact they still aren't). I thought the Neilfest was premature and I promptly received plenty flak for saying so. Now the backlash is for saying that it is in no way over... The championship is such a beast because there's really no middle ground. You're either in the PO mix or you're in the bottom mix even when you are several points away from one or the other. The only time you can say anything definite is when the table tells you that it's mathematically impossible. I wanted him to succeed and obviously still do hope that if there's a chance he can turn it around then he does exactly that mate. Sadly I don't see it but as you say no-one can be sure. Your last point is the one that worries me with keeping him mate as any team can go down in this league and if we keep loosing to the teams around us as we have done then we could be toast. He goes or stays but either way we need to turn it around both this season and as a club in general. With the finances, facilities and resources we have we should never even be thinking about the possibility of going down but the fact we are discussing it is both worrying and heartbreaking to me.
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Post by jokker on Dec 5, 2023 21:56:19 GMT
I wanted him to succeed and obviously still do hope that if there's a chance he can turn it around then he does exactly that mate. Sadly I don't see it but as you say no-one can be sure. Your last point is the one that worries me with keeping him mate as any team can go down in this league and if we keep loosing to the teams around us as we have done then we could be toast. He goes or stays but either way we need to turn it around both this season and as a club in general. With the finances, facilities and resources we have we should never even be thinking about the possibility of going down but the fact we are discussing it is both worrying and heartbreaking to me. I think it it was fairly predictable, and I said so before they were played, that we would lose to those teams, because we...I was about to say always, but that's not quite true...we frequently lose to teams that the manager, the players, and the supporters think are way poorer than we are. Such teams can smell the air of imperious and superior around us, and it spurs them on, while we, believing the game was a walk over, are unable to step up a gear, because the gears are jammed. On the other hand we are quite capable of being in the exact opposite situation, doing our best against teams that think they are better than us. We've done it vs Leeds among others, and I am quite confident we will do it versus WBA. The reason is partly because those teams don't look upon the games as a cup final like qpr and plymouth did, but as games where they can show their superiority by attacking without defensive care but that allows us to play good football too, and provided the ref don't turn against us, we can score a winning goal. I don't think about us going down. Yes we are 20th, but we are 5,8, and 11 pts above the bottom three with a better gd adding a vitual extra point, and we're about to win some games. Not to worry!
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 6, 2023 12:48:48 GMT
I think it it was fairly predictable, and I said so before they were played, that we would lose to those teams, because we...I was about to say always, but that's not quite true...we frequently lose to teams that the manager, the players, and the supporters think are way poorer than we are. Such teams can smell the air of imperious and superior around us, and it spurs them on, while we, believing the game was a walk over, are unable to step up a gear, because the gears are jammed. On the other hand we are quite capable of being in the exact opposite situation, doing our best against teams that think they are better than us. We've done it vs Leeds among others, and I am quite confident we will do it versus WBA. The reason is partly because those teams don't look upon the games as a cup final like qpr and plymouth did, but as games where they can show their superiority by attacking without defensive care but that allows us to play good football too, and provided the ref don't turn against us, we can score a winning goal. I don't think about us going down. Yes we are 20th, but we are 5,8, and 11 pts above the bottom three with a better gd adding a vitual extra point, and we're about to win some games. Not to worry! I agree that for as long as I can remember we have always seemed to loose to the teams we should be winning and stepped up against the so called called better teams. It must be a Stoke thing mate. Doesn't make it any less annoying either. I wish I were as optimistic as you about being about to win some games jokker mate and I'm crossing everything that we do.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Dec 6, 2023 12:53:08 GMT
We didn't deserve to win some games! Let's hope we win more, we didn't deserve, than lose, we didn't deserve, over the season! 😂
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Post by erasureboy on Dec 6, 2023 13:00:25 GMT
only 2 teams have lost more games than us this season... and we already lost to one of them and we play the other on Saturday.. worrying
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Post by skip on Dec 6, 2023 13:13:31 GMT
If we hadn't have conceded a late late loser against Plymouth on Saturday, he wouldn't have come out with any of that shit he did yesterday. Or was it Monday, I can't recall. Anyway, that old shit.
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Post by jokker on Dec 6, 2023 14:01:59 GMT
I agree that for as long as I can remember we have always seemed to loose to the teams we should be winning and stepped up against the so called called better teams. It must be a Stoke thing mate. Doesn't make it any less annoying either. I wish I were as optimistic as you about being about to win some games jokker mate and I'm crossing everything that we do. Well I'm not making any promises, but as I'm saying in another post today, it can't be completely ruled out that we'll reach the PO zone before the season's over.
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Post by jokker on Dec 6, 2023 14:28:14 GMT
I agree that for as long as I can remember we have always seemed to loose to the teams we should be winning and stepped up against the so called called better teams. It must be a Stoke thing mate. Doesn't make it any less annoying either. I wish I were as optimistic as you about being about to win some games jokker mate and I'm crossing everything that we do. It may be down to the Stoke schizophrenia of not ever being a top club and hardly never being a true underdog.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 6, 2023 14:53:05 GMT
Well I'm not making any promises, but as I'm saying in another post today, it can't be completely ruled out that we'll reach the PO zone before the season's over. I hope you're right jokker mate 🤞
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 6, 2023 14:54:07 GMT
It may be down to the Stoke schizophrenia of not ever being a top club and hardly never being a true underdog. Yes I would agree with that mate. We've never been right at the top really but then again we've never been right at the bottom either have we.
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