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Post by rowbeartoe on Oct 22, 2023 23:53:36 GMT
My biggest problem with the co-commentary on Radio Stoke is far too much of it veers into endless negativity.
I fully appreciate and can't complain about outlining the issues at the club or on the pitch but for example we've not played great in a number of games this season, last season and countless seasons before it and at times you're just being bombarded with negativity visually and audibly which I honestly think contributes heavily towards the general feeling at 5pm.
I'm not saying it's direct causation but I certainly feel fucking exhausted listening to Pej or Cranson in particular absolutely slate the club for 2hrs while also not seeing anything positive on the pitch.
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 23, 2023 2:06:43 GMT
My biggest problem with the co-commentary on Radio Stoke is far too much of it veers into endless negativity. I fully appreciate and can't complain about outlining the issues at the club or on the pitch but for example we've not played great in a number of games this season, last season and countless seasons before it and at times you're just being bombarded with negativity visually and audibly which I honestly think contributes heavily towards the general feeling at 5pm. I'm not saying it's direct causation but I certainly feel fucking exhausted listening to Pej or Cranson in particular absolutely slate the club for 2hrs while also not seeing anything positive on the pitch. So everything you’re seeing on the pitch is negative, but you want the commentators to be positive
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Post by rowbeartoe on Oct 23, 2023 2:12:55 GMT
My biggest problem with the co-commentary on Radio Stoke is far too much of it veers into endless negativity. I fully appreciate and can't complain about outlining the issues at the club or on the pitch but for example we've not played great in a number of games this season, last season and countless seasons before it and at times you're just being bombarded with negativity visually and audibly which I honestly think contributes heavily towards the general feeling at 5pm. I'm not saying it's direct causation but I certainly feel fucking exhausted listening to Pej or Cranson in particular absolutely slate the club for 2hrs while also not seeing anything positive on the pitch. So everything you’re seeing on the pitch is negative, but you want the commentators to be positive That's not what I'm saying but I can see how it can be construed that way I just believe there's a way to deliver your commentary in a better way after all radio is about entertainment just as much as anything else.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 23, 2023 6:52:36 GMT
My biggest problem with the co-commentary on Radio Stoke is far too much of it veers into endless negativity. I fully appreciate and can't complain about outlining the issues at the club or on the pitch but for example we've not played great in a number of games this season, last season and countless seasons before it and at times you're just being bombarded with negativity visually and audibly which I honestly think contributes heavily towards the general feeling at 5pm. I'm not saying it's direct causation but I certainly feel fucking exhausted listening to Pej or Cranson in particular absolutely slate the club for 2hrs while also not seeing anything positive on the pitch. So everything you’re seeing on the pitch is negative, but you want the commentators to be positive Going back to a 3-0 win v Luton, one of the first games I remember him ,you'd think we were 3-0 down the way Pejic took apart every missed chance, mis hit pass etc and although not too many wins to describe in the Neil era after , he hasn't changed on that front. The kind of character that if you were to be promoted would moan that it was in 2nd place and not as champions.
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Post by rowbeartoe on Oct 23, 2023 9:10:06 GMT
So everything you’re seeing on the pitch is negative, but you want the commentators to be positive Going back to a 3-0 win v Luton, one of the first games I remember him ,you'd think we were 3-0 down the way Pejic took apart every missed chance, mis hit pass etc and although not too many wins to describe in the Neil era after , he hasn't changed on that front. The kind of character that if you were to be promoted would moan that it was in 2nd place and not as champions. Yep he was doing it on Saturday when Mmae scored instead of just soaking in the moment and providing some positive thoughts it wasn't long before he was back to being critical
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Post by misterj on Oct 23, 2023 9:19:06 GMT
I don't mind Mick Pejic, I always find his comments interesting. He has played football at a much higher level than I could ever dream of playing and he was a decent coach too. I seem to remember Lou bringing him in to our coaching staff and there being an upturn in form. He has forgotten more about football than I will ever know. Zakuani knows more than I do too, but he does not offer anything insightful. Everything he says is "like innit yer know sort of thing" and is really awful to listen to. It is like listening to a 12 year old. Of course Pej did a brilliant job as John Rudge’s assistant at Port Vale, promotion etc
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 23, 2023 11:44:36 GMT
Pej is a typical Stoke lad, we moan for the sake of it, if we won £20m on the lottery, we would moan becsuse it wasn't £30m. 😋
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Post by Do it for dobing on Oct 23, 2023 16:12:54 GMT
Awful and depressing person to have to listen to
His coaching career can be checked on Wiki with Leek Town ,Chester, Northwich Victoria = Disastrous
Some success at the Vale under John Rudge
Imposible to understand what is he on about most of the time
Remember reading he refused to pass to Alan Hudson in training when he first arrived ,very strange bloke he is
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Post by nottinghamstokie on Oct 23, 2023 17:22:23 GMT
Awful and depressing person to have to listen to His coaching career can be checked on Wiki with Leek Town ,Chester, Northwich Victoria = Disastrous Some success at the Vale under John Rudge Imposible to understand what is he on about most of the time Remember reading he refused to pass to Alan Hudson in training when he first arrived ,very strange bloke he is Well.....he arrived at Leek when they were near-certainties for relegation from whatever the National League was called at that time, and kept them up. They went down the next season but not under him. So, he wasn't totally "disastrous"
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Post by rowbeartoe on Oct 23, 2023 19:10:02 GMT
We should be absolutely clear on this - you don't need to have an amazing record in the industry you're in to critique it.
Most of the issues and problems he goes on about is clear as day to any match going or stream watching fan it's not exactly like he's providing insightful analysis that only he can offer.
The issue is in the delivery.
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Post by theblackdeath on Oct 25, 2023 19:41:21 GMT
Was Mike Pejic any good? Its befor my time and as a fellow Chess Lad id like to back him but fuck me he goes on like hes the son of marradonna and Franco Baresi
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Post by Silkystoke on Oct 25, 2023 19:44:25 GMT
Thanks Mike, Fuck off will you
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Post by ursemboys on Oct 25, 2023 20:03:17 GMT
Was Mike Pejic any good? Its befor my time and as a fellow Chess Lad id like to back him but fuck me he goes on like hes the son of marradonna and Franco Baresi yes he was very good, remember Dennis Tueart running past him and Pej reliving him of his shirt and tossing it in the bother paddock, came back ripped to pieces, has a fellow chess lad before he made it he babysat with his mrs for my parents, his brother was a good player also
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Post by baystokie on Oct 26, 2023 15:04:34 GMT
We should be absolutely clear on this - you don't need to have an amazing record in the industry you're in to critique it. Most of the issues and problems he goes on about is clear as day to any match going or stream watching fan it's not exactly like he's providing insightful analysis that only he can offer. The issue is in the delivery. Whatever 'industry' you are going to criticise/judge, you should have some basis in your credentials for making any judgements. You should have some kind of positive record in the industry before mouthing off. One of the 'cummunication' problems these days (especially on social media) is that few participants have any basis for their comments. We have now had cases of accredited journalists making comments on 'facts' that proved not to be so. I'm sure the Chairman of Marks and Spencer would appreciate your views on their finance and purchasing models and where they could be improved?
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Oct 26, 2023 18:53:53 GMT
You cannot criticise Pej.
We have just won 2 home games with him on commentary.
And he's a black belt in Judo or Taekwondo .
So there ..😁😁
Have to add didn't hear his commentary as I was at the last 2 matches of course. Did hear him after talking about partnerships on the pitch which I sort of get...
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Post by HarryTheHat on Oct 26, 2023 18:58:49 GMT
Infinitely preferable to Zakuani and Cranson however
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 26, 2023 19:56:41 GMT
Was Mike Pejic any good? Its befor my time and as a fellow Chess Lad id like to back him but fuck me he goes on like hes the son of marradonna and Franco Baresi yes he was very good, remember Dennis Tueart running past him and Pej reliving him of his shirt and tossing it in the bother paddock, came back ripped to pieces, has a fellow chess lad before he made it he babysat with his mrs for my parents, his brother was a good player also Remember it as if it was yesterday
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Post by rowbeartoe on Oct 26, 2023 20:24:59 GMT
We should be absolutely clear on this - you don't need to have an amazing record in the industry you're in to critique it. Most of the issues and problems he goes on about is clear as day to any match going or stream watching fan it's not exactly like he's providing insightful analysis that only he can offer. The issue is in the delivery. Whatever 'industry' you are going to criticise/judge, you should have some basis in your credentials for making any judgements. You should have some kind of positive record in the industry before mouthing off. One of the 'cummunication' problems these days (especially on social media) is that few participants have any basis for their comments. We have now had cases of accredited journalists making comments on 'facts' that proved not to be so. I'm sure the Chairman of Marks and Spencer would appreciate your views on their finance and purchasing models and where they could be improved? I'm not in the industry of finance so why the fuck would I have any reason to give my views on such things?
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Post by hoofmagic on Oct 26, 2023 20:36:09 GMT
like him or lump him, pej is the best we got,, oh and it aint judo pej does lol
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Post by baystokie on Oct 27, 2023 17:58:40 GMT
Whatever 'industry' you are going to criticise/judge, you should have some basis in your credentials for making any judgements. You should have some kind of positive record in the industry before mouthing off. One of the 'cummunication' problems these days (especially on social media) is that few participants have any basis for their comments. We have now had cases of accredited journalists making comments on 'facts' that proved not to be so. I'm sure the Chairman of Marks and Spencer would appreciate your views on their finance and purchasing models and where they could be improved? I'm not in the industry of finance so why the fuck would I have any reason to give my views on such things? You're not in the football industry either but that apparently is not a reason to prevent you from giving your views although based on knowing sweet fa on the football business?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 27, 2023 18:04:39 GMT
Awful and depressing person to have to listen to His coaching career can be checked on Wiki with Leek Town ,Chester, Northwich Victoria = Disastrous Some success at the Vale under John Rudge Imposible to understand what is he on about most of the time Remember reading he refused to pass to Alan Hudson in training when he first arrived ,very strange bloke he is We’ve been awful and depressing for 7 years.
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Post by stokemark on Oct 27, 2023 19:42:19 GMT
Ches lad
Never forget we are always glass is half empty
Pej was a Stoke legend and deserves the respect he earned 10 fold
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Post by rowbeartoe on Oct 27, 2023 21:00:40 GMT
I'm not in the industry of finance so why the fuck would I have any reason to give my views on such things? You're not in the football industry either but that apparently is not a reason to prevent you from giving your views although based on knowing sweet fa on the football business? Have you misread something somewhere or just decided to have an argument with me based on made up things as I said you don’t need an amazing record to critique the industry you’re in. I never said you don’t need to have any knowledge at all? Me as a fan is different, I’m not being paid or promoted on a platform to give my views.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 28, 2023 0:11:11 GMT
You're not in the football industry either but that apparently is not a reason to prevent you from giving your views although based on knowing sweet fa on the football business? Have you misread something somewhere or just decided to have an argument with me based on made up things as I said you don’t need an amazing record to critique the industry you’re in. I never said you don’t need to have any knowledge at all? Me as a fan is different, I’m not being paid or promoted on a platform to give my views. I mean you literally said it re finance generally. So that’s exactly what it comes across as. He misread nothing.
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Post by rowbeartoe on Oct 28, 2023 0:49:07 GMT
Have you misread something somewhere or just decided to have an argument with me based on made up things as I said you don’t need an amazing record to critique the industry you’re in. I never said you don’t need to have any knowledge at all? Me as a fan is different, I’m not being paid or promoted on a platform to give my views. I mean you literally said it re finance generally. So that’s exactly what it comes across as. He misread nothing. Why would I be in a position to be paid or promoted on platforms about finance? It makes no sense as an argument
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 28, 2023 0:52:29 GMT
I mean you literally said it re finance generally. So that’s exactly what it comes across as. He misread nothing. Why would I be in a position to be paid or promoted on platforms about finance? It makes no sense as an argument I have no idea. You could be governer of the Bank of England for all I know.
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Post by tuum on Oct 28, 2023 5:08:30 GMT
Was Mike Pejic any good? Its befor my time and as a fellow Chess Lad id like to back him but fuck me he goes on like hes the son of marradonna and Franco Baresi Very good. Deserved more caps. Probably the best Stoke LB that I have seen in my time.
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