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Post by BristolMick on Sept 27, 2023 22:21:38 GMT
There are no buyers of real comparable for stoke city and the owners commitment remains total , they need good guidance not replacing . Are they capable of finding that guidance, knowing they need that guidance or even accepting that they need that guidance at all? I have my doubts on all three. If the answer to those questions was yes then said person would already be here. They have the money and surely the contacts to go and get the very best money can buy. You only have to ask why they haven't already. You can't keep making excuses for them. We can't wait until we fall into league one for the third time under their ownership before we ourselves really question them. The club is bigger than any individual or family. Thing is, if we we were currently being run by foreigners, I don’t know but say Icelandics, and then we suddenly got bought out by the richest people from Stoke that had ever been born and they were Stoke fans to boot, we’d be ecstatic! BM
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Post by willieeetmiout on Sept 27, 2023 22:23:22 GMT
I don't fancy the next 6. Bristol - look okay. We often play shit at there place. Southampton - aren't as bad as there start shows. Leicester - 😭 Sunderland - good start again. Leeds - much better than us. Boro - shit place to go. Bristol? No such club, unless of course you call both Manchester clubs simply ‘Manchester’ in which case fair enough. If you mean Bristol CITY then we have a pretty good record there. No doubt we will get spanked Saturday and that will be a much bigger disappointment for us in the SW Stokies than it will for most! BM No I didn't mean Bristol City did I. I meant Bristol Rovers cus we are playing them on Saturday aren't we? And then it's Leicester Tigers in a few weeks isn't it? Then Stevenage a few weeks after that. Prat.
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 27, 2023 22:25:50 GMT
Are they capable of finding that guidance, knowing they need that guidance or even accepting that they need that guidance at all? I have my doubts on all three. If the answer to those questions was yes then said person would already be here. They have the money and surely the contacts to go and get the very best money can buy. You only have to ask why they haven't already. You can't keep making excuses for them. We can't wait until we fall into league one for the third time under their ownership before we ourselves really question them. The club is bigger than any individual or family. Thing is, if we we were currently being run by foreigners, I don’t know but say Icelandics, and then we suddenly got bought out by the richest people from Stoke that had ever been born and they were Stoke fans to boot, we’d be ecstatic! BM If we were owned by foreigners for the last 10 years we'd be writing to the EFL and the PL asking what happened to the fit and proper persons test, and why wasn't it applied properly to our current owners, who had taken us from 9th in the PL to 5 consecutive bottom half Championship finishes, laden us with hundreds of millions of debt and had just had to sell the stadium to themselves and used COVID add backs to avoid FFP sanctions. We'd be ranking them not much further above the likes of Mel Morris or Dejphon Chansiri. The fact they're local and they give us free bus rides means we sweep it under the carpet. If they were foreign they would be held to account.
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Post by Marc01 on Sept 27, 2023 22:33:17 GMT
Someone just said 13 losses in last 19 games A stat is a stat but when you see the same thing game after game one does begin to think yet again what the hell they are doing! However you cut it shocking stuff. It feels like that many, and it may be prophetic of the next 4 league results, but It’s 10 defeats in last 15 league games (2 league wins and 3 draws in those 15) 5 defeats in 8 games this season 5 defeats in last 7 games last season en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022–23_Stoke_City_F.C._seasonNJ’s last games at start of 2019/20: P14 W2 D2 L10
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Post by BristolMick on Sept 27, 2023 22:33:59 GMT
Bristol? No such club, unless of course you call both Manchester clubs simply ‘Manchester’ in which case fair enough. If you mean Bristol CITY then we have a pretty good record there. No doubt we will get spanked Saturday and that will be a much bigger disappointment for us in the SW Stokies than it will for most! BM No I didn't mean Bristol City did I. I meant Bristol Rovers cus we are playing them on Saturday aren't we? And then it's Leicester Tigers in a few weeks isn't it? Then Stevenage a few weeks after that. Prat. There’s no club called Bristol. I live here, you clearly don’t. I am Gas second and Stoke first. I will be there Saturday (as I am most games) and have to live amongst them when we will no doubt embarrass ourselves again. I’m already getting edgy about it! City fans think they are Bristol, Rovers fans don’t. Are you coming down? BM
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Post by willieeetmiout on Sept 27, 2023 22:36:10 GMT
No I didn't mean Bristol City did I. I meant Bristol Rovers cus we are playing them on Saturday aren't we? And then it's Leicester Tigers in a few weeks isn't it? Then Stevenage a few weeks after that. Prat. There’s no club called Bristol. I live here, you clearly don’t. I am Gas second and Stoke first. I will be there Saturday (as I am most games) and have to live amongst them when we will no doubt embarrass ourselves again. I’m already getting edgy about it! City fans think they are Bristol, Rovers fans don’t. Are you coming down? BM If I do I will be sure to bring my wellies to wade through all your tears. Cry more. FFS
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 27, 2023 22:36:51 GMT
Oh bugger - For a moment I thought OP was Alex Meil
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Post by BristolMick on Sept 27, 2023 22:44:44 GMT
There’s no club called Bristol. I live here, you clearly don’t. I am Gas second and Stoke first. I will be there Saturday (as I am most games) and have to live amongst them when we will no doubt embarrass ourselves again. I’m already getting edgy about it! City fans think they are Bristol, Rovers fans don’t. Are you coming down? BM If I do I will be sure to bring my wellies to wade through all your tears. Cry more. FFS Yeah sure thing. If you want some tears, come down and actually support your club. Join in with the SW Stokies if you like we won’t be hard to find. BM
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Post by BristolMick on Sept 27, 2023 22:51:11 GMT
Thing is, if we we were currently being run by foreigners, I don’t know but say Icelandics, and then we suddenly got bought out by the richest people from Stoke that had ever been born and they were Stoke fans to boot, we’d be ecstatic! BM If we were owned by foreigners for the last 10 years we'd be writing to the EFL and the PL asking what happened to the fit and proper persons test, and why wasn't it applied properly to our current owners, who had taken us from 9th in the PL to 5 consecutive bottom half Championship finishes, laden us with hundreds of millions of debt and had just had to sell the stadium to themselves and used COVID add backs to avoid FFP sanctions. We'd be ranking them not much further above the likes of Mel Morris or Dejphon Chansiri. The fact they're local and they give us free bus rides means we sweep it under the carpet. If they were foreign they would be held to account. That is of course bang on but conversely it doesn’t mean that if we were run by someone else that had zero connection with SOT that it would be miraculously better. I am happy that the club is run by life long Stoke fans who are amongst the richest people in the country. I think that they want what we want as much as we want. So what’s the solution? BM
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 27, 2023 22:51:52 GMT
Someone just said 13 losses in last 19 games A stat is a stat but when you see the same thing game after game one does begin to think yet again what the hell they are doing! However you cut it shocking stuff. It feels like that many, and it may be prophetic of the next 4 league results, but It’s 10 defeats in last 15 league games (2 league wins and 3 draws in those 15) 5 defeats in 8 games this season 5 defeats in last 7 games last season en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022–23_Stoke_City_F.C._seasonNJ’s last games at start of 2019/20: P14 W2 D2 L10 How has he still got a job. Fuck my life.
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 27, 2023 22:55:47 GMT
If we were owned by foreigners for the last 10 years we'd be writing to the EFL and the PL asking what happened to the fit and proper persons test, and why wasn't it applied properly to our current owners, who had taken us from 9th in the PL to 5 consecutive bottom half Championship finishes, laden us with hundreds of millions of debt and had just had to sell the stadium to themselves and used COVID add backs to avoid FFP sanctions. We'd be ranking them not much further above the likes of Mel Morris or Dejphon Chansiri. The fact they're local and they give us free bus rides means we sweep it under the carpet. If they were foreign they would be held to account. That is of course bang on but conversely it doesn’t mean that if we were run by someone else that had zero connection with SOT that it would be miraculously better. I am happy that the club is run by life long Stoke fans who are amongst the richest people in the country. I think that they want what we want as much as we want. So what’s the solution? BM It's not so much what the solution is but what the problem is. We have rich owners that throw money at a problem of their own making. That being they let minimally qualified people have total control over their club and money and either don't have the vision or the drive to change it for the better despite trying the same thing over and over again. I think that's the definition of an impossible problem, and in times like that sometimes you have to remove the source of that problem to move forwards.
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Post by BristolMick on Sept 27, 2023 22:58:37 GMT
That is of course bang on but conversely it doesn’t mean that if we were run by someone else that had zero connection with SOT that it would be miraculously better. I am happy that the club is run by life long Stoke fans who are amongst the richest people in the country. I think that they want what we want as much as we want. So what’s the solution? BM It's not so much what the solution is but what the problem is. We have rich owners that throw money at a problem of their own making. That being they let minimally qualified people have total control over their club and money and either don't have the vision or the drive to change it for the better despite trying the same thing over and over again. I think that's the definition of an impossible problem, and in times like that sometimes you have to remove the source of that problem to move forwards. Sure but there’s no point in complaining about a problem unless there’s a solution. So what is it? BM
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 27, 2023 23:00:32 GMT
It's not so much what the solution is but what the problem is. We have rich owners that throw money at a problem of their own making. That being they let minimally qualified people have total control over their club and money and either don't have the vision or the drive to change it for the better despite trying the same thing over and over again. I think that's the definition of an impossible problem, and in times like that sometimes you have to remove the source of that problem to move forwards. Sure but there’s no point in complaining about a problem unless there’s a solution. So what is it? BM The solution is for them to sell up and move on. It's common knowledge in certain circles that they've had offers over the recent years and turned them down.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 27, 2023 23:02:42 GMT
Sure but there’s no point in complaining about a problem unless there’s a solution. So what is it? BM The solution is for them to sell up and move on. It's common knowledge in certain circles that they've had offers over the recent years and turned them down. Offers from whom?
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Post by BristolMick on Sept 27, 2023 23:05:33 GMT
Sure but there’s no point in complaining about a problem unless there’s a solution. So what is it? BM The solution is for them to sell up and move on. It's common knowledge in certain circles that they've had offers over the recent years and turned them down. Who is interested in buying? What are their motives? Surely no potential buyer wants SCFC to succeed more than the current owners do? To the current owners it’s not just about money, to a new owner it probably would be. I’m not happy either mate, but we have had 10 years in the big league with these, 5 of which we were as good as most of us can ever remember. BM
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 27, 2023 23:06:12 GMT
The solution is for them to sell up and move on. It's common knowledge in certain circles that they've had offers over the recent years and turned them down. Offers from whom? I've not been told that but I've been told more than one offer from more than one interested party has been turned down as the family have no interest in selling. Make of that what you will.
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 27, 2023 23:09:19 GMT
The solution is for them to sell up and move on. It's common knowledge in certain circles that they've had offers over the recent years and turned them down. Who is interested in buying? What are their motives? Surely no potential buyer wants SCFC to succeed more than the current owners do? To the current owners it’s not just about money, to a new owner it probably would be. I’m not happy either mate, but we have had 10 years in the big league with these, 5 of which we were as good as most of us can ever remember. BM True but we've also had numerous years in the third tier under them, the last time a group of wet behind the ears foreigners got us out within a few years and got us back into the Championship. Maybe that's the issue, maybe it should be about money and maybe that would help focus a few minds rather than it being a plaything or a charity case that can consume money like most of us consume sweets?
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Post by BristolMick on Sept 27, 2023 23:15:09 GMT
Who is interested in buying? What are their motives? Surely no potential buyer wants SCFC to succeed more than the current owners do? To the current owners it’s not just about money, to a new owner it probably would be. I’m not happy either mate, but we have had 10 years in the big league with these, 5 of which we were as good as most of us can ever remember. BM True but we've also had numerous years in the third tier under them, the last time a group of wet behind the ears foreigners got us out within a few years and got us back into the Championship. Maybe that's the issue, maybe it should be about money and maybe that would help focus a few minds rather than it being a plaything or a charity case that can consume money like most of us consume sweets? I don’t think so because if it is just about money rather than passion we ain’t ever going to play in the top flight again are we? Just think about it, you are a fantastically rich foreigner who fancies buying an English football club that has massive support and is going to be a sure bet to play in the Premier League. We’d be top of the list yeah? BM
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Post by rowbeartoe on Sept 28, 2023 2:21:35 GMT
True but we've also had numerous years in the third tier under them, the last time a group of wet behind the ears foreigners got us out within a few years and got us back into the Championship. Maybe that's the issue, maybe it should be about money and maybe that would help focus a few minds rather than it being a plaything or a charity case that can consume money like most of us consume sweets? I don’t think so because if it is just about money rather than passion we ain’t ever going to play in the top flight again are we? Just think about it, you are a fantastically rich foreigner who fancies buying an English football club that has massive support and is going to be a sure bet to play in the Premier League. We’d be top of the list yeah? BM That's not really what Onlooker is getting at, he's saying if we had owners who were money motivated they would operate under a different mentality where every decision was aimed at getting the most bang for our buck and seeking profitability through success whereas our current owners talk a lot about sustainability but continue to throw money at the problem without actually addressing the problem. What you're on about is equally as valid in the sense that we may not be top of the list but if what Onlooker says is accurate and we've had multiple offers that have been rejected then we clearly do have some appeal to someone somewhere.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 28, 2023 4:31:57 GMT
So they took us from 9th in the PL to here? Who took us to 9th in the PL? 🤔
And no I'm not an apologist for them, it's a shambles, but let's be fair!
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 28, 2023 5:39:50 GMT
I don't fancy the next 6. Bristol - look okay. We often play shit at there place. Southampton - aren't as bad as there start shows. Leicester - 😭 Sunderland - good start again. Leeds - much better than us. Boro - shit place to go. Bristol? No such club, unless of course you call both Manchester clubs simply ‘Manchester’ in which case fair enough. If you mean Bristol CITY then we have a pretty good record there. No doubt we will get spanked Saturday and that will be a much bigger disappointment for us in the SW Stokies than it will for most! BM You missed Boro out. Could be Peterborough. Surely if someone is talking about who we are playing on Saturday and there is only one club from a city in our division we don't have to go to full names? If so, please point out that Leicester could be Leicester Nirvana FC or Leeds could be Leeds City FC.
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Post by pottersrule on Sept 28, 2023 5:40:07 GMT
No I didn't mean Bristol City did I. I meant Bristol Rovers cus we are playing them on Saturday aren't we? And then it's Leicester Tigers in a few weeks isn't it? Then Stevenage a few weeks after that. Prat. There’s no club called Bristol. I live here, you clearly don’t. I am Gas second and Stoke first. I will be there Saturday (as I am most games) and have to live amongst them when we will no doubt embarrass ourselves again. I’m already getting edgy about it! City fans think they are Bristol, Rovers fans don’t. Are you coming down? BM Were you born in Stoke Mick?
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Post by franklin on Sept 28, 2023 5:42:03 GMT
Credit to the 500 or so who went last night goodness knows why but I admire your commitment and support bravo 👏
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Post by robstokie on Sept 28, 2023 6:09:20 GMT
No I didn't mean Bristol City did I. I meant Bristol Rovers cus we are playing them on Saturday aren't we? And then it's Leicester Tigers in a few weeks isn't it? Then Stevenage a few weeks after that. Prat. There’s no club called Bristol. I live here, you clearly don’t. I am Gas second and Stoke first. I will be there Saturday (as I am most games) and have to live amongst them when we will no doubt embarrass ourselves again. I’m already getting edgy about it! City fans think they are Bristol, Rovers fans don’t. Are you coming down? BM Feel your pain BristolMick - not only do I live amongst them, but the missus family are Wurzels too, so I can't even try to sweep it under the carpet
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Post by boweryboy on Sept 28, 2023 6:30:35 GMT
If we can't do anything about our squad till January, especially our defence,then for certain we will be rooted to the bottom of the league, possibly to far adrift for whoever comes in !!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2023 7:33:32 GMT
So they took us from 9th in the PL to here? Who took us to 9th in the PL? 🤔 And no I'm not an apologist for them, it's a shambles, but let's be fair! Peter Coates was running the show back then, not his dim-witted creation. Do you see the obvious problem?
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Post by alsagerstoke on Sept 28, 2023 7:57:08 GMT
Wonder if TP has been touted with Ryan as his no.2. Jon Walters and huthy in coaching staff If we had them involved you know there would be 110% effort on the pitch. But still no shots on target…fucking dinosaurs…him and a section of our fans
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Post by matelot1996 on Sept 28, 2023 8:03:42 GMT
Were there any signs of gelling? Gelling is almost an impossibility with a Manager that will never play an settled starting 11. We are well on track for a season of failure and pain.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 28, 2023 8:03:52 GMT
True but we've also had numerous years in the third tier under them, the last time a group of wet behind the ears foreigners got us out within a few years and got us back into the Championship. Maybe that's the issue, maybe it should be about money and maybe that would help focus a few minds rather than it being a plaything or a charity case that can consume money like most of us consume sweets? I don’t think so because if it is just about money rather than passion we ain’t ever going to play in the top flight again are we? Just think about it, you are a fantastically rich foreigner who fancies buying an English football club that has massive support and is going to be a sure bet to play in the Premier League. We’d be top of the list yeah? BM Were Wolves, Bournemouth, Brentford, Burnley etc etc etc?
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Post by matelot1996 on Sept 28, 2023 8:19:53 GMT
Any mention of Pullis (retired), Shawcross (poor communicator and completely unproven coach), Walters, Delap or any ex Stoke pro makes me wonder about the intellect of certain individuals. I know it’s mainly a passive aggressive form of wind up but, please grow up.
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