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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2023 23:25:41 GMT
You are not wrong , but your glass is half full . Anyone with a half empty glass will have noticed we can't take our chances and we can't defend . Anyone can see we didn't take our chances and didn't defend. I also saw a team with the potential to take our chances and learn to defend. Both of us are making assumptions about our future performances based on this performance. I can see the mistakes but I see a side with the potential to get better. I have seen Stoke sides full of mistakes before and known full well that they wouldn't get any better. You and others might see that in this side - and that's fine. I don't. I see a side that will get better. But then of course I may be wrong. fair point , the potential is there
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 20, 2023 23:26:20 GMT
Just back and a frustrating night in many ways 1 Right formation as forecast 2 good Balance to the team 3 very unlucky for the burger disallowed goal 4 needed to take one of those early chances 5 Huddersfield pretty poor 6 good spirit when we went behind
but we can’t defend the basics and aren’t clinical enough because we Lack physical presence at both ends and that was obvious through the window .
7 Gayle is finished
8 we will be better in depth with Vidigal and Mmaee back
9 Pearson much better tonight
big question is formation v Hull I’d stick with the 352 given they are decent , whatever the populist reaction but of course I recommended it on Monday .
overall I think we are all about 50 points because we have issues a]in those two critical areas neil and co should hsve addressed them amd didn’t amd it at best write this season off as anything meaningful improvement wise .
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Post by thornestein on Sept 21, 2023 3:48:56 GMT
. We looked worse with Hak off. He ran the game and any decent striker would’ve scored 5 tonight with Campbell chances he missed. Haksabanovic was excellent but clearly faded, right to sub him I thought Campbell played well would have left him on Campbell was blowing out his arse and should have gone off
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Post by Veritas on Sept 21, 2023 6:09:48 GMT
Just back and a frustrating night in many ways 1 Right formation as forecast 2 good Balance to the team 3 very unlucky for the burger disallowed goal 4 needed to take one of those early chances 5 Huddersfield pretty poor 6 good spirit when we went behind but we can’t defend the basics and aren’t clinical enough because we Lack physical presence at both ends and that was obvious through the window . 7 Gayle is finished 8 we will be better in depth with Vidigal and Mmaee back 9 Pearson much better tonight big question is formation v Hull I’d stick with the 352 given they are decent , whatever the populist reaction but of course I recommended it on Monday . overall I think we are all about 50 points because we have issues a]in those two critical areas neil and co should hsve addressed them amd didn’t amd it at best write this season off as anything meaningful improvement wise . I agree with much of this but we were not unlucky to have the Burger "goal" disallowed, Campbell was clearly offside and clearly impacting on the keeper. Just because some ridiculous decisions have been made about similar situations in other games does not make it unlucky.
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 21, 2023 6:23:30 GMT
A point away is OK, until the weekend. As usual improvements needed. If survival is your target. What else can it be right now. Our first point in so many games and first goals.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 21, 2023 6:38:07 GMT
i thought we were decent at times , some real poor defending and a lot of missed chances and stupid offsides
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 21, 2023 6:53:42 GMT
A point away is OK, until the weekend. As usual improvements needed. It’s not OK. Three points were there for the taking and we failed. It is when you've not won away or scored any goals for a good few games. It's only ok though, nothing more nothing less.
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Post by foster on Sept 21, 2023 7:02:50 GMT
Shit defending aside.
I suppose that when you consider they've won their last two games, and we've lost our last 3, and had not yet picked up any away points this season, then it could be considered an improvement.
Also scoring some goals without Vidigal in the team is a bonus.
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Post by femark on Sept 21, 2023 8:10:05 GMT
We are set reasonably well for their second goal, so why the hell does Rose rush out and leave his man free in the 6 yard box?!?! Attachment Deleted
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Post by foster on Sept 21, 2023 8:49:27 GMT
We are set reasonably well for their second goal, so why the hell does Rose rush out and leave his man free in the 6 yard box?!?! View AttachmentIt's almost like he had a brain fart and tried to play the bloke offside. Also went the wrong way around him too.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 21, 2023 9:30:41 GMT
Anyone can see we didn't take our chances and didn't defend. I also saw a team with the potential to take our chances and learn to defend. Both of us are making assumptions about our future performances based on this performance. I can see the mistakes but I see a side with the potential to get better. I have seen Stoke sides full of mistakes before and known full well that they wouldn't get any better. You and others might see that in this side - and that's fine. I don't. I see a side that will get better. But then of course I may be wrong. I agree, there are plenty of positives there. We just need to tighten some screws and sharpen our boots!!! I can agree with all this, however, this has been our problem for about 7 seasons now, too easy to score against and not taking chances and so far I'm not seeing what Neil has done to address those two things which are by far the most important in a football team. We have improved the Keeper position with a loan Vidigal looks decent Gooch a fine pro and a few others show promise but he has let Brown go and not replaced his qualities Leris is nothing like him despite what Neil the thorough scout said at the time. So far even Morgan Fox looks like a loss to the squad. I don't have high expectations for the season beyond wanting to see the basis of a side that might improve emerging but the reality will not match the rhetoric and I don't see any short term significant improvement
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Post by tqstokie on Sept 21, 2023 10:11:04 GMT
Their second goal was caused by the same schoolboy defending that caused the goal versus Norwich. Nobody got out to the man fast enough to disturb the man crossing the ball. Burger loped out with his hands behind his back as if tomorrow will do. You won't always stop the cross but you give him less time to pick his spot.
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Post by independent on Sept 21, 2023 10:20:30 GMT
How did that Huddersfield side win their last two games and who did they beat?
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Post by mcw on Sept 21, 2023 10:21:22 GMT
We are set reasonably well for their second goal, so why the hell does Rose rush out and leave his man free in the 6 yard box?!?! View AttachmentNot sure about Rose at all, couple of times he gave the ball away cheaply when playing out the back and quite a few times he was lucky when he played weak balls and Huddersfield were unlucky not to cut them out and get on the attack. The defending there is just criminal, I can't even begin to imagine what was going through his brain- one second he is in the right position, goal side of his man and the next he rushes out like a madman as though he is playing offside on his own.
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Post by Block 26 on Sept 21, 2023 10:47:30 GMT
I would say that it was an encouraging performance given the tripe we’ve had served up in previous away games this season.
A decent striker who can put the ball in the net & we’re out of sight by half time. The defending is a big worry, free header for the first & a box packed with stoke players for he 2nd. Somehow a Huddersfield player finds space 6 yards out to take a touch & finish.
We need vidigal back asap.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 21, 2023 12:42:50 GMT
It's not just this defence,for the last 5/6 seasons,our defenders for some reason just let corners and free kicks in to the box go unchallenged, letting the ball go over their heads because they don't jump to get the ball.
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Post by djralphy2k9 on Sept 21, 2023 13:09:54 GMT
Rose was somewhere else for that 2nd goal, completely left him his position, McNally looked knackered and half arsed in some of the challenges.
With Pearson suspended hopefully DJ pushes into midfield and Junior/Dyson to right back and Gooch Left back.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 21, 2023 15:43:10 GMT
What gets me is how come we all know what's needed to improve this team but a manager paid thousands a week doesn't?
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Post by stokecitytalke on Sept 21, 2023 16:00:03 GMT
What gets me is how come we all know what's needed to improve this team but a manager paid thousands a week doesn't? I'm sure he does know. But it's not as easy as going to the footballer supermarket and buying one off the shelf. Take centre back for example. We apparently tried for Davies from Rangers but that didn't work out for whatever reason and I'm sure there were others. Centre forward we tried for Brandon Thomas-Asante from WBA and we were in for Stewart from Sunderland but got priced out. There's all sorts of things to consider when trying to buy someone; do they want to come, can we afford them, can we afford their wages, have they had a better offer somewhere else, do they want guaranteed playing time, does the selling club actually want to sell. We did very well in the transfer window because we needed so many new players - we were never going to get everyone we wanted or every position filled in one window.
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Post by foster on Sept 21, 2023 16:19:28 GMT
What gets me is how come we all know what's needed to improve this team but a manager paid thousands a week doesn't? Do we though? I think the only thing most posters agree on is the captaincy issue, and starting Travers, Pearson, Burger and Vidigal, which AN does. And of course not starting players in the wrong positions. That apart, I'm not sure we'd all agree on the rest of the team or even the formation.
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Post by Los Alfareros on Sept 21, 2023 16:24:44 GMT
Hola,
Can someone please tell me how we set up last night, I have trawled through threads but I don't get it!!? TIA
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Post by MadridStokie on Sept 21, 2023 16:44:24 GMT
Hola, Can someone please tell me how we set up last night, I have trawled through threads but I don't get it!!? TIA Hola, que tal ? Well I was lucky enough to be there last night and for me we were a very clear 3 - 5 - 2 with Wilmot, Rose and McNally the back 3; midfield 5 of Johnson on the left, Gooch on the right and Burger, Pearson and Laurent in between; with Campbell and Has up front. The reason it might have been difficult to be sure is that it was very fluid, there was a lot of movement from the players from Wilmot often venturing into their half carrying the ball through Has dropping back to come and get the ball along with Johnson and Gooch dropping back to defend when they were on the attack. And the midfield 3 were all over the pitch as needed. Thats why I was surprised with comments about fitness, I would love to see the distance covered stats for last night and especially Laurent.
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Post by Los Alfareros on Sept 21, 2023 16:56:41 GMT
Hola, Can someone please tell me how we set up last night, I have trawled through threads but I don't get it!!? TIA Hola, que tal ? Well I was lucky enough to be there last night and for me we were a very clear 3 - 5 - 2 with Wilmot, Rose and McNally the back 3; midfield 5 of Johnson on the left, Gooch on the right and Burger, Pearson and Laurent in between; with Campbell and Has up front. The reason it might have been difficult to be sure is that it was very fluid, there was a lot of movement from the players from Wilmot often venturing into their half carrying the ball through Has dropping back to come and get the ball along with Johnson and Gooch dropping back to defend when they were on the attack. And the midfield 3 were all over the pitch as needed. Thats why I was surprised with comments about fitness, I would love to see the distance covered stats for last night and especially Laurent. Gracias MS, todo bien aqui en Lanzarote!! I could not work out the shape and the highlights were no help! Seems a different way of playing and players in different roles, but as many have said we look half decent so I am trying to stay in the positive camp!! We will piss this league!! Next match for me December 9th Sheff Weds at home, maybe I need to buy a coat??
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Post by MadridStokie on Sept 21, 2023 17:00:49 GMT
Hola, que tal ? Well I was lucky enough to be there last night and for me we were a very clear 3 - 5 - 2 with Wilmot, Rose and McNally the back 3; midfield 5 of Johnson on the left, Gooch on the right and Burger, Pearson and Laurent in between; with Campbell and Has up front. The reason it might have been difficult to be sure is that it was very fluid, there was a lot of movement from the players from Wilmot often venturing into their half carrying the ball through Has dropping back to come and get the ball along with Johnson and Gooch dropping back to defend when they were on the attack. And the midfield 3 were all over the pitch as needed. Thats why I was surprised with comments about fitness, I would love to see the distance covered stats for last night and especially Laurent. Gracias MS, todo bien aqui en Lanzarote!! I could not work out the shape and the highlights were no help! Seems a different way of playing and players in different roles, but as many have said we look half decent so I am trying to stay in the positive camp!! We will piss this league!! Next match for me December 9th Sheff Weds at home, maybe I need to buy a coat?? Pues muy bien, me voy a Madrid el martes pero estoy entre Madrid y Wigan de momento entonces voy a partidos cuando puedo We played really well last night ... but not so well that we were clinical in the final 3rd, and not so well that we conceded 2 terrible goals. Some of our play in the mid 3rd and final 3rd was sumptuous until the very final ball and composure with our finishing. I saw lots of promise ... but the question on all our minds is can that promise turn into promise delivered ... time will tell but for me we are definitely heading in the right direction even if we are not winning match after match without conceding any as we would all like !
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Post by Los Alfareros on Sept 21, 2023 17:46:38 GMT
¡ Vale, espero que pudes ver mas partidos!
Good to hear mate, sumptuous is not a word associated with us for a very long time!!!
Vamos Los Alfareros!!
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 21, 2023 18:21:33 GMT
Wasn't much for the yellow & blue shirt but the strip looked well smart last night
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Post by stokecitytalke on Sept 21, 2023 18:26:25 GMT
Wasn't much for the yellow & blue shirt but the strip looked well smart last night It's not you that sits a couple of rows in front of me with a yellow shirt with Vidigal 7 on then!
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 21, 2023 18:31:46 GMT
Wasn't much for the yellow & blue shirt but the strip looked well smart last night It's not you that sits a couple of rows in front of me with a yellow shirt with Vidigal 7 on then! No, I've started going into the top tier these days, the view is great
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Post by nott1 on Sept 22, 2023 7:42:04 GMT
What gets me is how come we all know what's needed to improve this team but a manager paid thousands a week doesn't? Do we though? I think the only thing most posters agree on is the captaincy issue, and starting Travers, Pearson, Burger and Vidigal, which AN does. And of course not starting players in the wrong positions. That apart, I'm not sure we'd all agree on the rest of the team or even the formation. I'm really talking about the lack of a good CB and a decent striker who we could have signed from West Brom but for penny pinching!
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Post by a on Sept 22, 2023 10:51:24 GMT
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