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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 17, 2023 13:15:29 GMT
Regarding AN's input: He's been behind every deal, he's been behind every signing, he's been behind every one that hasn't quite got over the line.
We'll review and assess after the next international break
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 17, 2023 13:18:55 GMT
If so Neil should've been behind the Striker, Centre back and Full Back situations then and controlled his apparent obsession with too many midfielders.
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Post by st3mark on Sept 17, 2023 13:27:50 GMT
If so Neil should've been behind the Striker, Centre back and Full Back situations then and controlled his apparent obsession with too many midfielders. It does say he was behind the deals we missed out on as well to be fair. Any positions not filled lie equally with the manager and the transfer team as a whole based on the output from the club over the last 12 months. Very much a team effort. |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 17, 2023 13:30:49 GMT
If so Neil should've been behind the Striker, Centre back and Full Back situations then and controlled his apparent obsession with too many midfielders. They did the deals they could get done. Stevens looks better than I expected FB Hoever is one of the most productive attacking FB’s in this league. Junior looks promising from the little bit we’ve seen FB, Gooch looks probably better than expected FB. Sure it’s a bit lopsided. Rose is a steady enough deputy CB, Mc Nally is very good at this level CB, sure we could have done with an extra body. The CF’s look pretty fookin awful from what I’ve seen of them. This needed to be our marquee signing of the summer and it just didn’t happen for whatever reasons. The one’s we did manage to bring in are cheap punts no more no less. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2023 13:33:07 GMT
Bit of maneuvering going on here just in case the players Neil knew aee actually what we thought mediocre but weht we thought
Pearson . Johnson Gooch best of a mediocre trio
Where captain Smith and the tinder swindler Come in its at very very best hit and miss miss miss at the moment
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 17, 2023 13:34:45 GMT
If so Neil should've been behind the Striker, Centre back and Full Back situations then and controlled his apparent obsession with too many midfielders. They did the deals they could get done. Stevens looks better than I expected FB Hoever is one of the most productive attacking FB’s in this league. Junior looks promising from the little bit we’ve seen FB, Gooch looks probably better than expected FB. Sure it’s a bit lopsided. Rose is a steady enough deputy CB, Mc Nally is very good at this level CB, sure we could have done with an extra body. The CF’s look pretty fookin awful from what I’ve seen of them. This needed to be our marquee signing of the summer and it just didn’t happen for whatever reasons. The one’s we did manage to bring in are cheap punts no more no less. Feel free to ignore me.. I'm feeling pissed off in general. |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 17, 2023 13:40:58 GMT
They did the deals they could get done. Stevens looks better than I expected FB Hoever is one of the most productive attacking FB’s in this league. Junior looks promising from the little bit we’ve seen FB, Gooch looks probably better than expected FB. Sure it’s a bit lopsided. Rose is a steady enough deputy CB, Mc Nally is very good at this level CB, sure we could have done with an extra body. The CF’s look pretty fookin awful from what I’ve seen of them. This needed to be our marquee signing of the summer and it just didn’t happen for whatever reasons. The one’s we did manage to bring in are cheap punts no more no less. Feel free to ignore me.. I'm feeling pissed off in general. It’s only a game. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 17, 2023 13:43:44 GMT
If so Neil should've been behind the Striker, Centre back and Full Back situations then and controlled his apparent obsession with too many midfielders. It does say he was behind the deals we missed out on as well to be fair. Any positions not filled lie equally with the manager and the transfer team as a whole based on the output from the club over the last 12 months. Very much a team effort. Didn't he bring in Tricky though? It all seems to be under Neil's control on the football side , not many staff or players left there from before now |
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 17, 2023 13:43:58 GMT
Feel free to ignore me.. I'm feeling pissed off in general. It’s only a game. My problems are not SCFC related mate |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 17, 2023 13:46:40 GMT
My problems are not SCFC related mate OK good luck with them. |
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Post by st3mark on Sept 17, 2023 13:48:16 GMT
It does say he was behind the deals we missed out on as well to be fair. Any positions not filled lie equally with the manager and the transfer team as a whole based on the output from the club over the last 12 months. Very much a team effort. Didn't he bring in Tricky though? It all seems to be under Neil's control on the football side , not many staff or players left there from before now He's worked with him before but whether he brought him in or not it doesn't change the fact that the club through these YouTube videos and q&a's have described a relationship where players are found by the team and brought to his attention and vice versa before they all make a decision on who to sign. Worked a treat as well. Just got to give them some time now, a lot of them have only played 1 match. |
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Post by st3mark on Sept 17, 2023 13:49:57 GMT
My problems are not SCFC related mate Whatever it is, keep your chin up pal. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2023 13:54:20 GMT
I am feeling pissed off too , there is no physical bite to our attack .
Who is physically chucking their weight around and pressurising opposition defenders in the style of fuller , beattie , walters ?
No one .
No one is not going to have a lot of impact for us .
vidigal has skill and is likeable , but would he better with someone more physical like BTA (wba )?
Yes
There seems a lack of joined up thinking , a lack of physicality to this team.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 17, 2023 15:23:27 GMT
I will be honest, I think we have had a decent summer.
We have signed some proven Championship players on free transfers (Johnson, Rose, Stevens, etc.).
We have picked up some good loans (McNally, Travers, Hoever, etc.).
We have signed some really promising younger player (Burger, Jun-Ho, Junior, etc.)
Then we have the foreign legion in their mid-20s (Vidigal, Mmaee, Lewis, Wesley, Hazsabanovic, etc.).
There is definitely a decent group of players there, but AN has to get them gelled together, work out his best team, and find a system that suits them. There is plenty to work with though!
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Post by trincostokie on Sept 17, 2023 15:27:37 GMT
My problems are not SCFC related mate Time has a habit of healing mucker...keep the faith |
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Post by trincostokie on Sept 17, 2023 15:29:25 GMT
I will be honest, I think we have had a decent summer. We have signed some proven Championship players on free transfers (Johnson, Rose, Stevens, etc.). We have picked up some good loans (McNally, Travers, Hoever, etc.). We have signed some really promising younger player (Burger, Jun-Ho, Junior, etc.) Then we have the foreign legion in their mid-20s (Vidigal, Mmaee, Lewis, Wesley, Hazsabanovic, etc.). There is definitely a decent group of players there, but AN has to get them gelled together, work out his best team, and find a system that suits them. There is plenty to work with though! Agreed mate...just need to hope that AN has it in him to get them firing |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 17, 2023 15:31:12 GMT
I will be honest, I think we have had a decent summer. We have signed some proven Championship players on free transfers (Johnson, Rose, Stevens, etc.). We have picked up some good loans (McNally, Travers, Hoever, etc.). We have signed some really promising younger player (Burger, Jun-Ho, Junior, etc.) Then we have the foreign legion in their mid-20s (Vidigal, Mmaee, Lewis, Wesley, Hazsabanovic, etc.). There is definitely a decent group of players there, but AN has to get them gelled together, work out his best team, and find a system that suits them. There is plenty to work with though! Agreed mate...just need to hope that AN has it in him to get them firing I think that is the big question really. We now have a collection of players that should be moulded into a decent team at this level. It is whether the manager has the ability to do it. He has all (or most) of the pieces, now he needs to prove himself on the training ground and during match days. |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 17, 2023 15:41:55 GMT
Agreed mate...just need to hope that AN has it in him to get them firing I think that is the big question really. We now have a collection of players that should be moulded into a decent team at this level. It is whether the manager has the ability to do it. He has all (or most) of the pieces, now he needs to prove himself on the training ground and during match days. Exactly. Which is why I picked out the bit in the OP about Neil backed all the signings. No Sunderland model excuse here. Needs to get it gelled PDQ. |
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Post by Jimm on Sept 17, 2023 15:48:27 GMT
I wonder how many of the players we've signed are actual names AN put forward to the recruitment team... Rose, Johnson & Pearson but not sure of the others.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 17, 2023 15:52:48 GMT
I wonder how many of the players we've signed are actual names AN put forward to the recruitment team... Rose, Johnson & Pearson but not sure of the others. Obviously Hoever and Pearson who were here last season. Johnson and Gooch AN has worked with in the past. I think it has been mentioned in interviews that Rose and McNally were both targets last January. Everyone was aware of Travers. So you would think that at least seven of those would have been AN's suggestions. The foreign legion seem to be JD's influence, but if AN is having the final say then he has given them all the green light. |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 17, 2023 16:08:06 GMT
I will be honest, I think we have had a decent summer. We have signed some proven Championship players on free transfers (Johnson, Rose, Stevens, etc.). We have picked up some good loans (McNally, Travers, Hoever, etc.). We have signed some really promising younger player (Burger, Jun-Ho, Junior, etc.) Then we have the foreign legion in their mid-20s (Vidigal, Mmaee, Lewis, Wesley, Hazsabanovic, etc.). There is definitely a decent group of players there, but AN has to get them gelled together, work out his best team, and find a system that suits them. There is plenty to work with though! As per the last few years I don't think there is a decent central striker in there. I'm pretty sure we tried and expected to get one but were surprised by the richness of the market. Championship fees seemed to take an unexpected jump this summer. Sense we allocated around £5M for the job and were nowhere near in terms of what we thought we could get with that. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 17, 2023 17:09:10 GMT
I will be honest, I think we have had a decent summer. We have signed some proven Championship players on free transfers (Johnson, Rose, Stevens, etc.). We have picked up some good loans (McNally, Travers, Hoever, etc.). We have signed some really promising younger player (Burger, Jun-Ho, Junior, etc.) Then we have the foreign legion in their mid-20s (Vidigal, Mmaee, Lewis, Wesley, Hazsabanovic, etc.). There is definitely a decent group of players there, but AN has to get them gelled together, work out his best team, and find a system that suits them. There is plenty to work with though! As per the last few years I don't think there is a decent central striker in there. I'm pretty sure we tried and expected to get one but were surprised by the richness of the market. Championship fees seemed to take an unexpected jump this summer. Sense we allocated around £5M for the job and were nowhere near in terms of what we thought we could get with that. Possibly. I still think that Wesley could be incredibly effective at this level if he can find his feet and receive better service. For someone his size I expected a little more from him. Mmaee is the interesting one. I wonder whether he was top of our list in terms of forwards that we wanted or if he was more of a wildcard gamble? It would not surprise me if we have saved our final loan slot for a forward in January. |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 17, 2023 17:16:26 GMT
As per the last few years I don't think there is a decent central striker in there. I'm pretty sure we tried and expected to get one but were surprised by the richness of the market. Championship fees seemed to take an unexpected jump this summer. Sense we allocated around £5M for the job and were nowhere near in terms of what we thought we could get with that. Possibly. I still think that Wesley could be incredibly effective at this level if he can find his feet and receive better service. For someone his size I expected a little more from him. Mmaee is the interesting one. I wonder whether he was top of our list in terms of forwards that we wanted or if he was more of a wildcard gamble? It would not surprise me if we have saved our final loan slot for a forward in January. I think Wesley's game is awfully one dimensional. I heard we paid €2M up front for Mmaee which suggests more of a punt to me. I honestly think that the prices that strikers were fetching caught us completely by surprise and that Thomas-Assante was a last minute and ultimately unsuccessful attempt at lowering our sights. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 17, 2023 17:19:22 GMT
As per the last few years I don't think there is a decent central striker in there. I'm pretty sure we tried and expected to get one but were surprised by the richness of the market. Championship fees seemed to take an unexpected jump this summer. Sense we allocated around £5M for the job and were nowhere near in terms of what we thought we could get with that. Possibly. I still think that Wesley could be incredibly effective at this level if he can find his feet and receive better service. For someone his size I expected a little more from him. Mmaee is the interesting one. I wonder whether he was top of our list in terms of forwards that we wanted or if he was more of a wildcard gamble? It would not surprise me if we have saved our final loan slot for a forward in January. We'll get nothing more out of him. He can't shift his balance and turn on the ball, maybe that's related to his injury. It does appear the injury has finished him. I would play Nathan lowe until mmaee is fit |
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 17, 2023 17:29:27 GMT
www.transfermarkt.co.uk/wesley-moraes/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/381362Looking at Wesley's record, post-injury, there wasn't really any reason to expect more than we're getting. Sub more often than not in the Spanish 2nd division, and not many goals. It looks like the injury, and 2-year lay-off has effectively finished him as a player with any mobility. The problem is the only other option is Mmaee for the central striker in a 4-3-3. And we were only ever an injury away from everything falling on Wes' shoulders. Whether he'd consider starting Gayle (or Tezgel) in Mmaee's absence, who knows? I think I would. But can't believe the plan was for Wes to play as often as he has.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Sept 17, 2023 17:37:43 GMT
www.transfermarkt.co.uk/wesley-moraes/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/381362Looking at Wesley's record, post-injury, there wasn't really any reason to expect more than we're getting. Sub more often than not in the Spanish 2nd division, and not many goals. It looks like the injury, and 2-year lay-off has effectively finished him as a player with any mobility. The problem is the only other option is Mmaee for the central striker in a 4-3-3. And we were only ever an injury away from everything falling on Wes' shoulders. Whether he'd consider starting Gayle (or Tezgel) in Mmaee's absence, who knows? I think I would. But can't believe the plan was for Wes to play as often as he has. Yeah I doubt Neil would have expected to use him as much as he has. Wesley isn’t going to offer much goal threat but we haven’t even remotely played in a manner to get the best out of him, the attacking players and runners from midfield need to get much closer to him until Mmaee returns to fitness. The alternatives of Gayle or Campbell playing in that central role isn’t exactly promising. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2023 17:59:05 GMT
www.transfermarkt.co.uk/wesley-moraes/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/381362Looking at Wesley's record, post-injury, there wasn't really any reason to expect more than we're getting. Sub more often than not in the Spanish 2nd division, and not many goals. It looks like the injury, and 2-year lay-off has effectively finished him as a player with any mobility. The problem is the only other option is Mmaee for the central striker in a 4-3-3. And we were only ever an injury away from everything falling on Wes' shoulders. Whether he'd consider starting Gayle (or Tezgel) in Mmaee's absence, who knows? I think I would. But can't believe the plan was for Wes to play as often as he has. Yeah I doubt Neil would have expected to use him as much as he has. Wesley isn’t going to offer much goal threat but we haven’t even remotely played in a manner to get the best out of him, the attacking players and runners from midfield need to get much closer to him until Mmaee returns to fitness. The alternatives of Gayle or Campbell playing in that central role isn’t exactly promising. They’ve known the central striker is due since May and still did nowt sbout it then sold brown near the deadline it’s rank incompetence from Neil Martin and Jared . |
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 17, 2023 18:08:22 GMT
I wonder how many of the players we've signed are actual names AN put forward to the recruitment team... Rose, Johnson & Pearson but not sure of the others. I imagine none of the foreign ones, but it isn't Neil's job to scour the market - that was down to Jared. He'll have then pulled off a load of videos for Neil to watch and some stats and heat maps indicating their style of player, and Neil would have rejected or sanctioned the purchase. I just think the strategy has been somewhat muddled with a couple of players. Take Mmaee for example. Plays the lone striker role and is quite mobile, but is not a target man and that is what Neil wanted for his Plan B. Wesley on the other hand is a target man, but without the mobility to make that role in any way effective. Perhaps Neil thought a bit of both from two different players will be like two for the price-of-one (given that Wesley was a freebie), but one skill without the other makes both players pretty ineffective in the system Neil prefers. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 17, 2023 18:28:07 GMT
Possibly. I still think that Wesley could be incredibly effective at this level if he can find his feet and receive better service. For someone his size I expected a little more from him. Mmaee is the interesting one. I wonder whether he was top of our list in terms of forwards that we wanted or if he was more of a wildcard gamble? It would not surprise me if we have saved our final loan slot for a forward in January. I think Wesley's game is awfully one dimensional. I heard we paid €2M up front for Mmaee which suggests more of a punt to me. I honestly think that the prices that strikers were fetching caught us completely by surprise and that Thomas-Assante was a last minute and ultimately unsuccessful attempt at lowering our sights. I think that Wesley was brought in to be more of a Plan B option. However, injuries have meant that he is suddenly Plan A. If Jacob Brown was still here I imagine he would have been ahead of Wesley and leading the line. We were heavily linked with the lad from Everton. Did he go to Coventry or something? I think that big price tags scared us away from some potential striker signings. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 17, 2023 18:31:12 GMT
www.transfermarkt.co.uk/wesley-moraes/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/381362Looking at Wesley's record, post-injury, there wasn't really any reason to expect more than we're getting. Sub more often than not in the Spanish 2nd division, and not many goals. It looks like the injury, and 2-year lay-off has effectively finished him as a player with any mobility. The problem is the only other option is Mmaee for the central striker in a 4-3-3. And we were only ever an injury away from everything falling on Wes' shoulders. Whether he'd consider starting Gayle (or Tezgel) in Mmaee's absence, who knows? I think I would. But can't believe the plan was for Wes to play as often as he has. Yeah I doubt Neil would have expected to use him as much as he has. Wesley isn’t going to offer much goal threat but we haven’t even remotely played in a manner to get the best out of him, the attacking players and runners from midfield need to get much closer to him until Mmaee returns to fitness. The alternatives of Gayle or Campbell playing in that central role isn’t exactly promising. This. If Wesley is going to be our Plan A (until Mmaee is fit) then we need to play to his strengths. That means getting midfield runners/wingers beyond/around him more often. I do not think that he will score mountains of goals, but I do think Wesley could be an effective focal point and bring others into play. |
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