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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 12, 2023 9:13:54 GMT
It’ll be interesting to see how they invest the money. He’ll be a huge gap to fill but if they invest wisely it could be a good move for them.
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Post by bigvern on Aug 12, 2023 9:15:47 GMT
He could win his first ever trophy within 24 hours of signing for Bayern if he plays in the German supercup tonight.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 12, 2023 9:23:32 GMT
Will he get the Number 'Nein' shirt?
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 12, 2023 9:50:42 GMT
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Post by cdf on Aug 12, 2023 10:11:12 GMT
I think its a great move for him. he will win trophies. Will paly regular in the Champions League in a team that at least makes it to the Quarter Finals every year. Will get paid loads and will have a great experience of living & working in a different country
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 12, 2023 10:17:03 GMT
They probably weren't even in his top 3 choices but it's a case of needs must now at his stage of his career. He's 30 now and has already wasted too long at Spurs, he can't afford to wait any longer hoping a space will open up at a Premier League team or at Real etc. So it's a guaranteed Bundesliga and an outside shot at the Champions League at Bayern. Or another trophyless year at Spurs and a 6th place finish before leaving next summer aged 31 and possibly in decline. I think he's made the right decision for his career. Levy was a twat for not letting him leave for Man City a couple of years ago. That last line is so true. I get it, you have to protect your club, keep and grow your assets and not have your pants pulled down but let's have it right. Losing a two horse race to Leicester is telling you something and to stand in the way of a player that has served you so well, in order to save a few quid and save your own face is a proper c***s trick. Shame on Levy, shame on Spurs. I disagree. Kane signed something like a 6-year contract. If he had thought that he wanted somewhere different, he should have thought ahead about his own career options. They have a 10-15 year career to plan out, it’s not that hard 😂
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 12, 2023 10:38:33 GMT
I don't understand this mindset that a player isn't a great player unless they play for a top club and win trophies with them.
By this logic Gordon Banks was not a great footballer then?
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 12, 2023 10:45:42 GMT
I don't understand this mindset that a player isn't a great player unless they play for a top club and win trophies with them. By this logic Gordon Banks was not a great footballer then? He won the league cup twice (including with us) and the World Cup. I think it’s just an easy filtering system. The best players should play for the best clubs and when they get to finals, should not finish second. There aren’t that many exceptions to this. There are plenty of good footballers out there but I’d hazard a guess that the list of English top 20 scorers all have club trophies in their career.
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Post by bertiestan on Aug 12, 2023 10:50:11 GMT
I don't understand this mindset that a player isn't a great player unless they play for a top club and win trophies with them. By this logic Gordon Banks was not a great footballer then? Winning the World Cup helps
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Post by Los Alfareros on Aug 12, 2023 10:51:00 GMT
What is the greatest honour, winning the league in Germany (which they do every year), or being the highest ever goal scorer in the Premier league?
I think the latter is a greater achievement??
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 12, 2023 10:52:57 GMT
What is the greatest honour, winning the league in Germany (which they do every year), or being the highest ever goal scorer in the Premier league? I think the latter is a greater achievement?? He'll be back in two years! 😁
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Post by lordb on Aug 12, 2023 10:54:14 GMT
What is the greatest honour, winning the league in Germany (which they do every year), or being the highest ever goal scorer in the Premier league? I think the latter is a greater achievement?? Winning the league by a mile
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Post by Los Alfareros on Aug 12, 2023 10:56:57 GMT
What is the greatest honour, winning the league in Germany (which they do every year), or being the highest ever goal scorer in the Premier league? I think the latter is a greater achievement?? He'll be back in two years! 😁 Possibly, but he needs 48 more goals.... could take him 3 seasons!! Maybe he will play his final year at Stoke when we are back, and bag the record in front of the Boothen against Tottingham!!!!!
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Post by Picasso on Aug 12, 2023 11:01:54 GMT
I don't understand this mindset that a player isn't a great player unless they play for a top club and win trophies with them. By this logic Gordon Banks was not a great footballer then? He won the league cup twice (including with us) and the World Cup. I think it’s just an easy filtering system. The best players should play for the best clubs and when they get to finals, should not finish second. There aren’t that many exceptions to this. There are plenty of good footballers out there but I’d hazard a guess that the list of English top 20 scorers all have club trophies in their career. Obviously, a lot of the ‘best’ players win a lot of trophies, but you can’t just use this gauge to determine who is a great player and who isn’t. As a team sport, there are too many other factors at play, as well as the fact that top players don’t always go to the ‘top’ teams. Conversely, players that are, maybe, considered average can end up in teams that are very successful.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 12, 2023 11:07:43 GMT
He'll be back in two years! 😁 Possibly, but he needs 48 more goals.... could take him 3 seasons!! Maybe he will play his final year at Stoke when we are back, and bag the record in front of the Boothen against Tottingham!!!!! Yes, needing one goal for the record he gets it in the final game of the season! 😂😂😂
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Post by AlliG on Aug 12, 2023 11:07:59 GMT
It’ll be interesting to see how they invest the money. He’ll be a huge gap to fill but if they invest wisely it could be a good move for them. If they are as "successful" as they were in investing the Bale money, they might just as well put it in a big pile and set fire to it.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 12, 2023 11:18:26 GMT
I don't understand this mindset that a player isn't a great player unless they play for a top club and win trophies with them. By this logic Gordon Banks was not a great footballer then? Winning the World Cup helps But he didn't need to play for a big club to achieve that. I'm talking about him being regarded as a lesser player because he doesn't win trophies with his (or any other club) club.
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Post by jamerg on Aug 12, 2023 11:20:36 GMT
What is the greatest honour, winning the league in Germany (which they do every year), or being the highest ever goal scorer in the Premier league? I think the latter is a greater achievement?? Being the highest ever goal scorer in the Premier League shouldn’t even be a thing - top flight football didn’t start in 1992! I honestly think it’s totally meaningless ’record’, although I appreciate I may be in a minority. I think an English player breaking the German transfer record, playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world and (let’s assume) winning the Bundesliga is way more impressive, as is the fact the Kane is up for the experience of living and working in a different country. He might also win the Champions League.
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 12, 2023 11:22:41 GMT
He won the league cup twice (including with us) and the World Cup. I think it’s just an easy filtering system. The best players should play for the best clubs and when they get to finals, should not finish second. There aren’t that many exceptions to this. There are plenty of good footballers out there but I’d hazard a guess that the list of English top 20 scorers all have club trophies in their career. Obviously, a lot of the ‘best’ players win a lot of trophies, but you can’t just use this gauge to determine who is a great player and who isn’t. As a team sport, there are too many other factors at play, as well as the fact that top players don’t always go to the ‘top’ teams. Conversely, players that are, maybe, considered average can end up in teams that are very successful. There are 1000s of players in English football history alone. There will always need to be some sort of filter to consider and there will always be some that miss out, perhaps unfairly. Harry Kane is one of the best, individual strikers of his generation but he will be forgotten about faster than if he’d have spent the last decade playing at Man City rather than Spurs. People remember achievements and he’s not really done anything in that regard.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 12, 2023 11:35:11 GMT
Obviously, a lot of the ‘best’ players win a lot of trophies, but you can’t just use this gauge to determine who is a great player and who isn’t. As a team sport, there are too many other factors at play, as well as the fact that top players don’t always go to the ‘top’ teams. Conversely, players that are, maybe, considered average can end up in teams that are very successful. There are 1000s of players in English football history alone. There will always need to be some sort of filter to consider and there will always be some that miss out, perhaps unfairly. Harry Kane is one of the best, individual strikers of his generation but he will be forgotten about faster than if he’d have spent the last decade playing at Man City rather than Spurs. People remember achievements and he’s not really done anything in that regard. I'm not sure this is true, for example, what did Michael Owen win as a team player in his career with club or country? 1 x FA Cup medal 1 x UEFA Cup. That's not much considering he was rated one of the best forward players of his era. Technically he won a League medal without playing much with Man Utd, but I don't think that achievement defines his career, and I'm not convinced people will remember him for that. Personally, I don't think half the Man City players will be ever achieve the status of Owen or Kane amongst English football fans but will win many more trophies.
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Post by Picasso on Aug 12, 2023 11:37:42 GMT
Obviously, a lot of the ‘best’ players win a lot of trophies, but you can’t just use this gauge to determine who is a great player and who isn’t. As a team sport, there are too many other factors at play, as well as the fact that top players don’t always go to the ‘top’ teams. Conversely, players that are, maybe, considered average can end up in teams that are very successful. There are 1000s of players in English football history alone. There will always need to be some sort of filter to consider and there will always be some that miss out, perhaps unfairly. Harry Kane is one of the best, individual strikers of his generation but he will be forgotten about faster than if he’d have spent the last decade playing at Man City rather than Spurs. People remember achievements and he’s not really done anything in that regard. That’s a different argument though. If a player is forgotten about because he didn’t join a ‘top’ team, it doesn’t necessarily mean he wasn’t a ‘top’ player, just that he won’t be remembered as well. You’re saying that Kane is one of the best individual strikers of his generation, but as he doesn’t fall into your trophies ‘filter’, then he will be unfairly disregarded and if he’d played for Man City instead of Tottenham, despite being the same player, he would have been a ‘better’ player.
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 12, 2023 12:06:31 GMT
There are 1000s of players in English football history alone. There will always need to be some sort of filter to consider and there will always be some that miss out, perhaps unfairly. Harry Kane is one of the best, individual strikers of his generation but he will be forgotten about faster than if he’d have spent the last decade playing at Man City rather than Spurs. People remember achievements and he’s not really done anything in that regard. That’s a different argument though. If a player is forgotten about because he didn’t join a ‘top’ team, it doesn’t necessarily mean he wasn’t a ‘top’ player, just that he won’t be remembered as well. You’re saying that Kane is one of the best individual strikers of his generation, but as he doesn’t fall into your trophies ‘filter’, then he will be unfairly disregarded and if he’d played for Man City instead of Tottenham, despite being the same player, he would have been more highly regarded. Yes, that’s exactly what I am saying. Players are held up by their sporting achievements. You can be an excellent footballer and not be considered a “great” in the future. People are much more likely to still remember Bolt in two/three decades than they are any runner that came second alongside him, even though they were also hitting excellent times. Anyways, it’s only my opinion. I like Kane a lot. I hope that he does a bit of a Cristiano Ronaldo and decides to bounce around from league to league to pick up trophies. His game has never been about pace and he’s no physical specimen. I don’t see why he couldn’t be playing into his mid- to late-30s.
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Post by Los Alfareros on Aug 12, 2023 12:12:25 GMT
What is the greatest honour, winning the league in Germany (which they do every year), or being the highest ever goal scorer in the Premier league? I think the latter is a greater achievement?? Being the highest ever goal scorer in the Premier League shouldn’t even be a thing - top flight football didn’t start in 1992! I honestly think it’s totally meaningless ’record’, although I appreciate I may be in a minority. I think an English player breaking the German transfer record, playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world and (let’s assume) winning the Bundesliga is way more impressive, as is the fact the Kane is up for the experience of living and working in a different country. He might also win the Champions League. I get it mate re 1992, but the sad fact is it IS a big thing and a record that could well never be broken given the mind of the modern football player. So would he individually be prouder of that, or a winners medal in a league where there is really little competition??
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Post by Los Alfareros on Aug 12, 2023 12:14:12 GMT
Or another angle is he may just have gone for the money, the beer and the big hot dogs?!
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Post by Picasso on Aug 12, 2023 12:15:10 GMT
That’s a different argument though. If a player is forgotten about because he didn’t join a ‘top’ team, it doesn’t necessarily mean he wasn’t a ‘top’ player, just that he won’t be remembered as well. You’re saying that Kane is one of the best individual strikers of his generation, but as he doesn’t fall into your trophies ‘filter’, then he will be unfairly disregarded and if he’d played for Man City instead of Tottenham, despite being the same player, he would have been more highly regarded. Yes, that’s exactly what I am saying. Players are held up by their sporting achievements. You can be an excellent footballer and not be considered a “great” in the future. People are much more likely to still remember Bolt in two/three decades than they are any runner that came second alongside him, even though they were also hitting excellent times. I think the argument has shifted then, as said. You’re now talking about how players will be perceived in the future - I thought we were talking about how good / great players are or are not. Future perception is not going to be accurate, but yes, clearly players that have medals / trophies will be looked on favourably.
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 12, 2023 12:18:07 GMT
Yes, that’s exactly what I am saying. Players are held up by their sporting achievements. You can be an excellent footballer and not be considered a “great” in the future. People are much more likely to still remember Bolt in two/three decades than they are any runner that came second alongside him, even though they were also hitting excellent times. I think the argument has shifted then, as said. You’re now talking about how players will be perceived in the future - I thought we were talking about how good / great players are or are not. Future perception is not going to be accurate, but yes, clearly players that have medals / trophies will be looked on favourably. Oh, well then that’s my fault. Kane is currently one of the best of his generation. I think it’s hard to argue against that. He could well be playing for another 7-8 years. Plenty of time to make up for staying at Spurs for so long.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 12, 2023 13:26:12 GMT
For anyone who thinks the Bundesliga is some kind of tinpot league. Has anyone noted the attendances at Bundesliga games? The appetite for the game there is huge and dwarfs La Liga.
The German Bundesliga with an average attendance of 43,000 across the league stadiums in the 2022/23 season, is the highest attended football league in the world.
The second highest is the Premier League, averaging 2,600 fans less per game than the Bundesliga clubs.
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Post by moon on Aug 12, 2023 20:22:20 GMT
He could win his first ever trophy within 24 hours of signing for Bayern if he plays in the German supercup tonight. Bayern Munich 0-3 Leipzig The curse of Kane
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Aug 12, 2023 20:36:14 GMT
For anyone who thinks the Bundesliga is some kind of tinpot league. Has anyone noted the attendances at Bundesliga games? The appetite for the game there is huge and dwarfs La Liga. The German Bundesliga with an average attendance of 43,000 across the league stadiums in the 2022/23 season, is the highest attended football league in the world. The second highest is the Premier League, averaging 2,600 fans less per game than the Bundesliga clubs. Like comparing apples to oranges. They have 57 professional teams against our 72, and an approximate 20 million population advantage compared to England & Wales. Its not tin pot, but regardless of the numbers I'd still take the Premier League, Serie A and La Liga over the Bundesliga.
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Post by flea79 on Aug 12, 2023 22:30:58 GMT
So all these years it turns out that it wasn’t spurs that was cursed it was Harry Kane!
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