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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 8, 2023 20:36:13 GMT
Having just poked my head into a gore website both sides need a damn good thrashing The idf are stripping the bodies of the hamas fighters and displaying them publicly The hamas lot are piling bodies of Israelis in the streets I thought Geneva convention was supposed to stop these things Since 2015 the UN has adopted 140 Resolutions against Israel for Human Rights abused against the Palestinians Any other Country would be ostracized and sanctioned but under US cover fuck all is ever done. In the same period 68 Resolutions were adopted against all other Countries in the World International Organisations do a lot of tut tutting but unless US says so nothing is done It is why many Countries outside the "west" are forming seperate alliances BRICS for example 140?! I’d have no idea about the conduct of Israel, before researching it further, if I hadn’t come on to this thread. Just shows the narrative of the UK media.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 8, 2023 20:40:18 GMT
Having just poked my head into a gore website both sides need a damn good thrashing The idf are stripping the bodies of the hamas fighters and displaying them publicly The hamas lot are piling bodies of Israelis in the streets I thought Geneva convention was supposed to stop these things Since 2015 the UN has adopted 140 Resolutions against Israel for Human Rights abused against the Palestinians Any other Country would be ostracized and sanctioned but under US cover fuck all is ever done. In the same period 68 Resolutions were adopted against all other Countries in the World International Organisations do a lot of tut tutting but unless US says so nothing is done It is why many Countries outside the "west" are forming seperate alliances BRICS for example Question the narrative around Ukraine in any way shape or form and you're a "Putin apologist" But when it comes to Israel you can ignore multiple reports from the likes of the UN and Amnesty International (as well as many from inside Israel from organisations such as B'Tselem), put your head in the sand about the thousands of Palestinians being forced out of their homes (or land disputes as they're usually called in the MSM) year after year and go about your business with a clear conscience. Funny old world......................
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 8, 2023 20:49:23 GMT
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Post by gawa on Oct 8, 2023 20:51:23 GMT
There's a difference between hamas and Palestine. Strange that the bbc, itv and sky talk about Russia as a country committing humans rights atrocities and acts of war but Israel is simply a country defending itself. What does a terrorist attack on Manchester have to do with Palestine. Since when is Palestine "left wing". Alot of Muslim nations don't have the best record when it comes to human rights and equality. Just because they're brown doesn't mean they're left wing. An interesting trend developing in the culture wars here though. I don't support the deaths or murders of any indidivudals. Only Israel have the power to find a peaceful solution as they hold all the cards. So I will hold Israel accountable above all other parties as they're the ones who hold most of the cards here. Let's not turn this into a left v right thing though. Both Israel and Hamas have committed horrendous atrocities. But until the United Nations begin to hold Israel to account for their crimes; things like this will continue to happen. I think you missed my point re Manchester mate. The principle is exactly the same. People thinking it's OK to murder innocent people in the name of their cause - Be it territorial, anti semitism or a desire for a caliphate. Fair enough mate! Sorry about that.
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Oct 8, 2023 20:56:31 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Oct 8, 2023 20:56:31 GMT
Apparently not - appears to be from a video some Football fans made previously:
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 8, 2023 21:11:44 GMT
Apparently not - appears to be from a video some Football fans made previously: Sums up just how difficult it can be to navigate through the hundreds of posts about Israel, Ukraine or where it may be. There was another one doing the rounds of a load of babies in cages that had allegedly been captured by Hamas which turned out to be nonsense as well as it was from somewhere completely different. So difficult not to fall for it.......
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Oct 8, 2023 21:17:31 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 8, 2023 21:17:31 GMT
Hamas calling on Islamic and Arab nations to join their fight against US and Israel.
Perhaps they think igniting WW3 is their best option.
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Post by cvillestokie on Oct 8, 2023 21:22:21 GMT
Indeed PP, did you have a chance to open the link to Lindsay Graham's comments that I posted above?
Absolutely terrifying!
Yes mate, these back seat generals who want to send other people's kids to die in wars just make me angry, because that's ultimately what he'd be advocating......... If every country signed a pact that they would have to send their child (or in lieu of one, themselves) to war, there’d be a lot fewer wars. Good luck trying to get people in charge ever making a sacrifice though.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 8, 2023 21:29:23 GMT
Hamas calling on Islamic and Arab nations to join their fight against US and Israel. Perhaps they think igniting WW3 is their best option. Every diplomatic route has been futile, the rule of International Law seems to be regularly discarded when it comes to Palestine, the people reside in arguably the worlds biggest open air prison, the hope of any future as a sovereign state is as far away now than any time in the last 56 years. So yes perhaps they do. Just very very sad..................
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 8, 2023 21:55:39 GMT
Seeing blood and guts and gore doesn't bother me, it's nothing I haven't seen before but some of the videos I'm seeing of Palestinian terrorists butchering women and OAP's is fuckin sickening. You can't unsee images like that and they aren't good for the soul. If anyone wants to see them I'd advice you to not bother. I won't be watching any more. Sick fucks. Attachments:
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 8, 2023 22:09:05 GMT
Seeing blood and guts and gore doesn't bother me, it's nothing I haven't seen before but some of the videos I'm seeing of Palestinian terrorists butchering women and OAP's is fuckin sickening. You can't unsee images like that and they aren't good for the soul. If anyone wants to see them I'd advice you to not bother. I won't be watching any more. Sick fucks. I don’t think I’ll ever understand how any set of circumstances can lead to someone slaughtering individuals. We’re all human beings. Shame we all can’t just get along.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 8, 2023 22:09:21 GMT
Sums up just how difficult it can be to navigate through the hundreds of posts about Israel, Ukraine or where it may be. There was another one doing the rounds of a load of babies in cages that had allegedly been captured by Hamas which turned out to be nonsense as well as it was from somewhere completely different. So difficult not to fall for it....... Absolutely mate. People talk shit about having journalists and fact checkers, but at least they eventually verify things. There are some great open intelligence accounts online but the new twitter algorithms seem to be suppressing them.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 8, 2023 22:29:22 GMT
Sums up just how difficult it can be to navigate through the hundreds of posts about Israel, Ukraine or where it may be. There was another one doing the rounds of a load of babies in cages that had allegedly been captured by Hamas which turned out to be nonsense as well as it was from somewhere completely different. So difficult not to fall for it....... Absolutely mate. People talk shit about having journalists and fact checkers, but at least they eventually verify things. There are some great open intelligence accounts online but the new twitter algorithms seem to be suppressing them. It happens almost every day. I remember 2012ish when the conspiracy people Hey up, I think MTR Student might have been bumped off, just as he was about to spill the beans! 🫢
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Post by tmp on Oct 8, 2023 22:31:23 GMT
I have no doubt people are being killed in this horrendous conflict. However I am sceptical that Hamas could have breached the Israeli defences so easily. Also look at this building collapse after a hit by an Israeli missile. Is it likely that one missile could do this unless it’s like a game of Jenga? The precision would have to be off the wall? uk.news.yahoo.com/multi-story-building-collapses-israeli-181221974.html
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Post by wannabee on Oct 8, 2023 22:47:26 GMT
Since 2015 the UN has adopted 140 Resolutions against Israel for Human Rights abused against the Palestinians Any other Country would be ostracized and sanctioned but under US cover fuck all is ever done. In the same period 68 Resolutions were adopted against all other Countries in the World International Organisations do a lot of tut tutting but unless US says so nothing is done It is why many Countries outside the "west" are forming seperate alliances BRICS for example 140?! I’d have no idea about the conduct of Israel, before researching it further, if I hadn’t come on to this thread. Just shows the narrative of the UK media. Fair play to you Bianco you and I may not have the same Polical views and we have disagreed in a lighthearted way on a number of occasions because quite frankly what are a few oddballs on an obscure Football Site going to do to change the Real Politic in the World But you have the intelligence to do independent research when presented with an alternative narrative There is a Barbaric Militant Group committing unspeakable acts under cover of retaliation against a Rogue State committing Barbaric acts both under the cover of a Religious Crusade hell bent on the existential ambition to annihilate the other group. It's quite extraordinary that in 2023 the World Order is unable to regulate itself such that inevitably the innocent bystanders are the primary victims
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Post by gawa on Oct 8, 2023 23:07:42 GMT
140?! I’d have no idea about the conduct of Israel, before researching it further, if I hadn’t come on to this thread. Just shows the narrative of the UK media. Fair play to you Bianco you and I may not have the same Polical views and we have disagreed in a lighthearted way on a number of occasions because quite frankly what are a few oddballs on an obscure Football Site going to do to change the Real Politic in the World But you have the intelligence to do independent research when presented with an alternative narrative There is a Barbaric Militant Group committing unspeakable acts under cover of retaliation against a Rogue State committing Barbaric acts both under the cover of a Religious Crusade hell bent on the existential ambition to annihilate the other group. It's quite extraordinary that in 2023 the World Order is unable to regulate itself such that inevitably the innocent bystanders are the primary victims This isn't bianco? 🤣
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Oct 8, 2023 23:08:06 GMT
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 8, 2023 23:08:06 GMT
Seeing blood and guts and gore doesn't bother me, it's nothing I haven't seen before but some of the videos I'm seeing of Palestinian terrorists butchering women and OAP's is fuckin sickening. You can't unsee images like that and they aren't good for the soul. If anyone wants to see them I'd advice you to not bother. I won't be watching any more. Sick fucks. I don’t think I’ll ever understand how any set of circumstances can lead to someone slaughtering individuals. We’re all human beings. Shame we all can’t just get along. It's a shame, in an ideal world we would do but in reality some folk just make it impossible.
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Post by wannabee on Oct 8, 2023 23:35:56 GMT
Fair play to you Bianco you and I may not have the same Polical views and we have disagreed in a lighthearted way on a number of occasions because quite frankly what are a few oddballs on an obscure Football Site going to do to change the Real Politic in the World But you have the intelligence to do independent research when presented with an alternative narrative There is a Barbaric Militant Group committing unspeakable acts under cover of retaliation against a Rogue State committing Barbaric acts both under the cover of a Religious Crusade hell bent on the existential ambition to annihilate the other group. It's quite extraordinary that in 2023 the World Order is unable to regulate itself such that inevitably the innocent bystanders are the primary victims This isn't bianco? 🤣 Does it alter what was said because of who said it
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 9, 2023 0:18:18 GMT
Does it alter what was said because of who said it Indeed 😊🤗
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 9, 2023 5:27:21 GMT
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Post by knype on Oct 9, 2023 6:24:55 GMT
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Post by Davef on Oct 9, 2023 6:57:24 GMT
LBC and The Mirror joining the BBC, Sky and ITV in failing to describe Hamas as terrorists as well this morning.
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Oct 9, 2023 7:20:33 GMT
Post by knype on Oct 9, 2023 7:20:33 GMT
LBC and The Mirror joining the BBC, Sky and ITV in failing to describe Hamas as terrorists as well this morning. Do you expect any different?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 9, 2023 7:38:22 GMT
For the record, Hamas is the democratically elected de facto government of Gaza.
It's only really "the West" that designates Hamas as a terrorist organisation, many countries, most in fact, don't.
That said, they clearly use tactics that are terrorist in nature, and deaths of civilians wherever they occur should be condemned. However, killing innocent civilians is not so different from what Putin is doing in Ukraine, what Israel regularly does in Palestine, and nobody designates them as terrorists. Perhaps it's the particular tactics used or that you need to have a recognised army before it becomes military action rather than terrorism?
I say that not to take sides in what will be a tragic and ultimately pointless additional waste of life, but to point out that the situation is way more complex than most people appreciate.
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Oct 9, 2023 7:44:45 GMT
Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 9, 2023 7:44:45 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 9, 2023 7:45:42 GMT
As I said to you yesterday, you have absolutely no idea of the background behind this and essentially no idea at all.
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Post by foster on Oct 9, 2023 8:05:10 GMT
I can see Israel totally blocking off entry and exit to the Gaza strip now, then longer term deporting all 2.4m Palestinians and taking it over for themselves.
I'm not saying that's right, as it isn't, but it makes sense from the Israeli perspective.
I'm not a fan of Israeli. I despise how they live in luxury right next door to the people they oppress and who live in abject poverty. I despise the way they spit at Christians and persecute anyone of any faith who isn't Jewish.
I also despise the tactics Hamas have used, however what choice do they really have? Most of them have grown up seeing their homes destroyed, land stolen and loved ones blown to pieces by Israeli rockets. Life for ordinary Palestinians is suffering and death. People can call them terrorists but let's imagine this happened in the UK whereby a foreign state was declared and we were all persecuted and shoved into a corner, relying on handouts. Would we just sit back and take it because the 'new' state has all the power, media access, the economic influence?
Ordinary Palestinians have nothing. They rely on Israel for energy, food, resources, and their quality of life is so bad that they are resorting to whatever they can in a bid to slow down their eventual demise. If you look at a timeline of events and landgrabs then from their perspective it's only a matter of time before they have nothing and nowhere to go.
Unfortunately the only solution I can see here is the total elimination of one side or the other.
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Post by gawa on Oct 9, 2023 8:07:39 GMT
LBC and The Mirror joining the BBC, Sky and ITV in failing to describe Hamas as terrorists as well this morning. Have they described Israel as a country which keeps violating human rights and committing war crimes? Are are they still describing them as a country defending itself?
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Post by adri2008 on Oct 9, 2023 8:11:17 GMT
It's a complicated situation and neither side is innocent obviously but massacring civilians and general barbarism is never acceptable.
Without plumbing the depths of conspiracy theories, it seems unlikely to me that the Israel intelligence services had no idea what was about to occur when something on this scale was planned. Either way, it'll be used as a pretext to firstly flatten Gaza and then possibly attack Iran.
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Oct 9, 2023 8:26:18 GMT
Post by satoshi on Oct 9, 2023 8:26:18 GMT
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