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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 14, 2023 23:02:59 GMT
We had more possession, more shots, more shots on target, better chances, and more corners. By any measurable metric we were the better side. So how was the xg for Boro so much greater than ours? Try the link I posted above mate. It gives a smaller difference and clicking on the shot map shows how they worked it out. It doesn't really feel right but I can see how they got there. E.g. Hoever's goal was at a tighter angle while theirs was right in the middle. The non-scoring chances our xG were pretty close - and mostly from Ramsey on 36 mins and McNair near the end, which were both really central and short-mid range.
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Post by thehoof on Mar 14, 2023 23:05:33 GMT
Makes a change to have two managers giving a fair assessment of the game. With a Centre Forward and a Centre Half ( I’m assuming Tzuanabee will not be here), and trying to keep Pearson, Sterling, Sarkic and Smallbone, next season could be really interesting. I think Neil will have us fit, and with an identity.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 14, 2023 23:06:07 GMT
We had more possession, more shots, more shots on target, better chances, and more corners. By any measurable metric we were the better side. So how was the xg for Boro so much greater than ours? Try the link I posted above mate. It gives a smaller difference and clicking on the shot map shows how they worked it out. It doesn't really feel right but I can see how they got there. E.g. Hoever's goal was at a tighter angle while theirs was right in the middle. The non-scoring chances our xG were pretty close - and mostly from Ramsey on 36 mins and McNair near the end, which were both really central and short-mid range. Do they not take into account the fact that McNair was a yard offside? Missed by the shit lino on the nearside.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 14, 2023 23:11:07 GMT
Have Middlesbrough got shares in sky,why are they talking all about them this exactly before the game we had a middlesborough highlights package and analysis of their season so far, nothing on Stoke....i thought maybe we get ours at halftime...nothing...well maybe at full time...no a Carrick jizz fest arghhh After match interviews were disgusting - Carrick on the pitch with the summarises for more than five minutes, Neil in a broom cupboard somewhere for about two minutes. Two Middlesborough players interviewed, I thought one must be man of the match. But no they later announced that Hoever was man of the match. However they couldn't be bothered to find him for an interview and to present him with his award. I get that Middlesborough are the team of the moment but Stoke fans pay the same Sky subscription fee and deserve equal coverage of their team especially when the match is a draw and Stoke were arguably the better team. I felt really let down, as if they'd planned it all pre match expecting Middlesborough to win and couldn't be bothered to change their plans.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 14, 2023 23:13:19 GMT
Try the link I posted above mate. It gives a smaller difference and clicking on the shot map shows how they worked it out. It doesn't really feel right but I can see how they got there. E.g. Hoever's goal was at a tighter angle while theirs was right in the middle. The non-scoring chances our xG were pretty close - and mostly from Ramsey on 36 mins and McNair near the end, which were both really central and short-mid range. Do they not take into account the fact that McNair was a yard offside? Missed by the shit lino on the nearside. Probably not because the offside wasn't given although I suspect cos it went out for a goal kick there wasn't much point.
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 14, 2023 23:15:54 GMT
this exactly before the game we had a middlesborough highlights package and analysis of their season so far, nothing on Stoke....i thought maybe we get ours at halftime...nothing...well maybe at full time...no a Carrick jizz fest arghhh After match interviews were disgusting - Carrick on the pitch with the summarises for more than five minutes, Neil in a broom cupboard somewhere for about two minutes. Two Middlesborough players interviewed, I thought one must be man of the match. But no they later announced that Hoever was man of the match. However they couldn't be bothered to find him for an interview and to present him with his award. I get that Middlesborough are the team of the moment but Stoke fans pay the same Sky subscription fee and deserve equal coverage of their team especially when the match is a draw and Stoke were arguably the better team. I felt really let down, as if they'd planned it all pre match expecting Middlesborough to win and couldn't be bothered to change their plans. Michael Manchester United Carrick
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 14, 2023 23:16:19 GMT
Try the link I posted above mate. It gives a smaller difference and clicking on the shot map shows how they worked it out. It doesn't really feel right but I can see how they got there. E.g. Hoever's goal was at a tighter angle while theirs was right in the middle. The non-scoring chances our xG were pretty close - and mostly from Ramsey on 36 mins and McNair near the end, which were both really central and short-mid range. Do they not take into account the fact that McNair was a yard offside? Missed by the shit lino on the nearside. Yeah I think ref mistakes shifted the xG a bit. Take out McNair and add a peno and we're ahead. The fotmob site is transparent so we can spot stuff like that. Tbh I can't remember the Ramsey chance in detail but it's a worrying place to let them get a shot off. I still think we would have deserved a win but chances could have gone either way. It's just nice to enjoy games again!
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Post by pavel on Mar 14, 2023 23:20:03 GMT
Much deserved point and the better team on the night, could easily have won it. Recovered well and didn’t fold, the turnaround over the last few games has been remarkable and we look a team again at last who can compete.
With a good transfer window and hopefully securing some of the loans we could be in for an exciting season next year. We do need a replacement for Gayle and probably Brown to play with Campbell but at last we are seeing some progress, we’ve turned the corner it seems at last but we need to push on relentlessly both on and off the field.
Well done Neil, I’d like to say I’ve never doubted you but I can’t but you’ve worked wonders recently.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Mar 14, 2023 23:26:34 GMT
Hmmm. With the peno the ref missed it might look more realistic. There's a little clickable map on this site that I like. McNair's miss was about 0.23 xG but I would have expected more because it was such a good position. Brown's header was about 0.35, which feels about right. 0.23 seems high to me. Came at him with some speed.
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Post by thepottypotter on Mar 14, 2023 23:35:52 GMT
Hmmm. With the peno the ref missed it might look more realistic. There's a little clickable map on this site that I like. McNair's miss was about 0.23 xG but I would have expected more because it was such a good position. Brown's header was about 0.35, which feels about right. That fotmob site cracks me up: 1. Giving Campbell almost the same score as Gayle and Brown when he was noticeably better 2. Saying Bonham was one of our best players tonight. Behave!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 14, 2023 23:38:23 GMT
Hmmm. With the peno the ref missed it might look more realistic. There's a little clickable map on this site that I like. McNair's miss was about 0.23 xG but I would have expected more because it was such a good position. Brown's header was about 0.35, which feels about right. That fotmob site cracks me up: 1. Giving Campbell almost the same score as Gayle and Brown when he was noticeably better 2. Saying Bonham was one of our best players tonight. Behave! Bonham played well.
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Post by chiprockets on Mar 14, 2023 23:42:01 GMT
Laurent is superb again. Note to self: never write off a player after his first 10 games again! He looks a different beast with Pearson behind him and Campbell ahead. I thought he was not quite on it tonight. Still effective but felt he missed out on a few chances where he could made more. Poor touches, slow tackles etc That’s not to say he was bad. You can ignore, my phone cached this as the last response 😂
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Post by thepottypotter on Mar 14, 2023 23:45:00 GMT
That fotmob site cracks me up: 1. Giving Campbell almost the same score as Gayle and Brown when he was noticeably better 2. Saying Bonham was one of our best players tonight. Behave! Bonham played well. It was one of Bonham's better games but do you really think that he deserved an 8? The 4th best player on the pitch behind Akpom, Pearson, and Hoever?!
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Post by chiprockets on Mar 14, 2023 23:47:11 GMT
Hmmm. With the peno the ref missed it might look more realistic. There's a little clickable map on this site that I like. McNair's miss was about 0.23 xG but I would have expected more because it was such a good position. Brown's header was about 0.35, which feels about right. 0.23 seems high to me. Came at him with some speed. We can always ask tachyon I believe the info goal stats are direct from opta I like the stats but it’s hard to find a source of truth or at least the best truth.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 14, 2023 23:47:47 GMT
It was one of Bonham's better games but do you really think that he deserved an 8? The 4th best player on the pitch behind Akpom, Pearson, and Hoever?! Difficult to compare keepers and outfield players, but I can't think of a single thing Bonham did wrong to be honest?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 14, 2023 23:49:47 GMT
Nice little dig back at Mowbray in Neil's interview team that plays without the ball
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Post by thepottypotter on Mar 14, 2023 23:52:45 GMT
It was one of Bonham's better games but do you really think that he deserved an 8? The 4th best player on the pitch behind Akpom, Pearson, and Hoever?! Difficult to compare keepers and outfield players, but I can't think of a single thing Bonham did wrong to be honest? linkYou don't agree with Bayern that Bonham: 1. Should have been out faster 2. Shouldn't have stopped running before the shot 3. Positioned in a way that doesn't let Akpom haven 3/4 of the goal to shoot at? Also btw I am not blaming him for the goal. In order of blame it is: 1. Pearson losing possession. 2. Sterling being too high up when we weren't safe in possession. 3. Both CBs not keeping up or putting a tackle in. Bonham is 4th on the list for me.
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Post by chiprockets on Mar 14, 2023 23:53:45 GMT
Nice little dig back at Mowbray in Neil's interview team that plays without the ball Yeah caught that 😄 Benji is a man for turning Has the gravity crocodile not obeyed the laws of physics?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 14, 2023 23:57:45 GMT
Nice little dig back at Mowbray in Neil's interview team that plays without the ball Yeah caught that 😄 Benji is a man for turning Has the gravity crocodile not obeyed the laws of physics? He's moved on to Qpr and may well be at the bet 365 for our last home game but feasting in the away end
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 15, 2023 0:07:44 GMT
It was one of Bonham's better games but do you really think that he deserved an 8? The 4th best player on the pitch behind Akpom, Pearson, and Hoever?! He made some proper good saves today. The adjustment back for the deflection near post in particular. Also for the offside shot where they were through. Just wanted to get that in since I've kinda shat on Bonham in the past. But yeah, the stats can be funny. If you look over a lot of games I honestly think they can be useful, but they get weird when you're just looking at a single match. Good fodder for arguments though!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 0:14:05 GMT
It was one of Bonham's better games but do you really think that he deserved an 8? The 4th best player on the pitch behind Akpom, Pearson, and Hoever?! Without the goal I think Hoever was the worst of the back 4. But he got it so yeah 😂
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Post by leegthestokie90 on Mar 15, 2023 1:03:02 GMT
That midfield tonite was fire long time said that has a stoke fan
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2023 2:31:34 GMT
Superb performance. I honestly wouldn't have been too upset if boro had sneaked a winner. We are looking exactly like the team we've all been dying to see for so long now. We're becoming an absolute cunt to play against. I think in the end we about deserved to win it.
I've just had a sneaky glance on the boro forum matchday thread and we're getting a lot of praise. In fairness, early in the season when we drew 2-2 under MON, I still think boro that night are probably the most impressive team I've seen all season and we were highly fortunate to equalise. So maybe it evens out. Boro deserved to win at our place and we deserved to win at theirs. Maybe not though because both clubs have 1 point less than they should.
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Post by stokie1 on Mar 15, 2023 3:03:17 GMT
Superb performance. I honestly wouldn't have been too upset if boro had sneaked a winner. We are looking exactly like the team we've all been dying to see for so long now. We're becoming an absolute cunt to play against. I think in the end we about deserved to win it. I've just had a sneaky glance on the boro forum matchday thread and we're getting a lot of praise. In fairness, early in the season when we drew 2-2 under MON, I still think boro that night are probably the most impressive team I've seen all season and we were highly fortunate to equalise. So maybe it evens out. Boro deserved to win at our place and we deserved to win at theirs. Maybe not though because both clubs have 1 point less than they should. Boro were very good at stoke earlier this season I agree. We have improved so much of late. Shame it seems too little too late for this season.
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Post by hotpot on Mar 15, 2023 4:19:07 GMT
I'm disappointed. Especially for Smallbone. He worked his socks off but really should have had a goal, or even three. Gayle was ineffective and should have been replaced earlier. Bonham played OK, but can we get another goalie? Nine games left.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 15, 2023 7:02:54 GMT
Hmmm. With the peno the ref missed it might look more realistic. There's a little clickable map on this site that I like. McNair's miss was about 0.23 xG but I would have expected more because it was such a good position. Brown's header was about 0.35, which feels about right. That fotmob site cracks me up: 1. Giving Campbell almost the same score as Gayle and Brown when he was noticeably better 2. Saying Bonham was one of our best players tonight. Behave! The figures are an unbiased view of what actually went on - they are compiled without agendas, peer pressure, selection biàs or the need to be part of the in crowd. The player ratings and opinions on here on the other hand...
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 15, 2023 7:40:56 GMT
Difficult to compare keepers and outfield players, but I can't think of a single thing Bonham did wrong to be honest? linkYou don't agree with Bayern that Bonham: 1. Should have been out faster 2. Shouldn't have stopped running before the shot 3. Positioned in a way that doesn't let Akpom haven 3/4 of the goal to shoot at? Also btw I am not blaming him for the goal. In order of blame it is: 1. Pearson losing possession. 2. Sterling being too high up when we weren't safe in possession. 3. Both CBs not keeping up or putting a tackle in. Bonham is 4th on the list for me. No I don't.
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Post by felonious on Mar 15, 2023 8:30:41 GMT
Really decent performance for a team that are on it.... at last
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Post by questionable on Mar 15, 2023 9:45:17 GMT
Good game played out by two good teams but I thought the referee was absolutely awful, on 2 occasions I thought their CH (Lenhim?) led with his arm, clattered Brown and the challenge on Axel whereby he was taken off. Forss was booked for a very late tackle on Fox which easily was a red card offence then the same player went through the back of Laurent, 100% he should have been sent off.
Should have had a penalty easily and the ref was quite quick to show us a yellow, all in all a total crap ref (again)
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Post by Los Alfareros on Mar 15, 2023 10:36:07 GMT
Great game and we are a joy to watch at the moment, solid AND dangerous, looking forward to Saturday already.
What does amaze me is how fucking long has it has taken to do what all of us have been saying for ages. ie ditch the 5 at the back.
There is an argument for the personnel change, but the formation and tactical change is much to do with our improvement.
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