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Post by OldStokie on Mar 11, 2023 12:27:37 GMT
There's so much hypocrisy by the BBC that it stinks. There are others who have said worse and not been censured. The rules they set out on what can and cannot be said by someone away from their platform are ambiguous at best. There's also no doubt that the Tory donor at the top of the BBC has been leaned on by his masters. And what Lineker said was true. He wasn't accusing the Tory Party as beings Nazis; he said that some of the language used by Braverman was akin to what was said by the Nazis in the 1930's, which is true. We all have opinions on Lineker and MOTD, but that should never play any part in freedom of speech away from what they do. Had he said the same things while being on air then he should be booted out, but this was a tweet well away from his connection to his 'employers'. Even Greg Dyke, former Director General of the BBC, has said that what they've done is wrong and he sums it up well for me in this piece for The Guardian... Greg Dyke's view..OS.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 11, 2023 12:31:29 GMT
It’s just funny how all the ones you criticise seem to be of a certain political persuasion, and the fact that you can’t articulate explicitly why you think DA has declined rather undermines the point. Well as you keep insisting I find his voice is not as clear or assertive as it used to be His physical Presence lacks the athleticism he used to exhibit And I find he seems to dither at times All of this to me can be explained by age it has or will happen to all of us As for some assertion of a political bias the thread had three names lineker Bruce Attenborough I merely expressed my opinion on the names on offer I will of course happily express my opinion on any other names if it helps That just seems like baseless ageism to me, of all the things to accuse him of, ‘dithering’ seems an odd one, he’s still sharp as a tack. I suspect if he had political opinions you approve of it’d be a different story.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 11, 2023 12:46:20 GMT
Well as you keep insisting I find his voice is not as clear or assertive as it used to be His physical Presence lacks the athleticism he used to exhibit And I find he seems to dither at times All of this to me can be explained by age it has or will happen to all of us As for some assertion of a political bias the thread had three names lineker Bruce Attenborough I merely expressed my opinion on the names on offer I will of course happily express my opinion on any other names if it helps That just seems like baseless ageism to me, of all the things to accuse him of, ‘dithering’ seems an odd one, he’s still sharp as a tack. I suspect if he had political opinions you approve of it’d be a different story. Think what you wish your sadly becoming tedious you asked a question you got a honest answer If you have problems with someone’s honest answer than maybe don’t ask the question As for ageism I’m slowly getting the exact same faults it happens to us all hopefully And as much as you would like to bring politics into this It’s got sod all to do with it I just think as someone gets to a certain age there not as good at there job as they used to be You of course in a free world have the right to disagree Just out of sheer devilment what do you consider are my political views
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 11, 2023 13:04:23 GMT
That just seems like baseless ageism to me, of all the things to accuse him of, ‘dithering’ seems an odd one, he’s still sharp as a tack. I suspect if he had political opinions you approve of it’d be a different story. Think what you wish your sadly becoming tedious you asked a question you got a honest answer If you have problems with someone’s honest answer than maybe don’t ask the question As for ageism I’m slowly getting the exact same faults it happens to us all hopefully And as much as you would like to bring politics into this It’s got sod all to do with it I just think as someone gets to a certain age there not as good at there job as they used to be You of course in a free world have the right to disagree Just out of sheer devilment what do you consider are my political views That all seems to be an assumption based on him being old rather than anything he himself is actually doing though. Your views based on your posts seem to be supportive of whatever the right wing dog whistle culture war topic du hour is.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 11, 2023 13:07:08 GMT
That just seems like baseless ageism to me, of all the things to accuse him of, ‘dithering’ seems an odd one, he’s still sharp as a tack. I suspect if he had political opinions you approve of it’d be a different story. Think what you wish your sadly becoming tedious you asked a question you got a honest answer If you have problems with someone’s honest answer than maybe don’t ask the question As for ageism I’m slowly getting the exact same faults it happens to us all hopefully And as much as you would like to bring politics into this It’s got sod all to do with it I just think as someone gets to a certain age there not as good at there job as they used to be You of course in a free world have the right to disagree Just out of sheer devilment what do you consider are my political views 'I just think as someone gets to a certain age there not as good at there job as they used to be' Very broad brush there wags, in some occupations experience is a definite positive, quite obvious really.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 11, 2023 13:21:24 GMT
Think what you wish your sadly becoming tedious you asked a question you got a honest answer If you have problems with someone’s honest answer than maybe don’t ask the question As for ageism I’m slowly getting the exact same faults it happens to us all hopefully And as much as you would like to bring politics into this It’s got sod all to do with it I just think as someone gets to a certain age there not as good at there job as they used to be You of course in a free world have the right to disagree Just out of sheer devilment what do you consider are my political views That all seems to be an assumption based on him being old rather than anything he himself is actually doing though. Your views based on your posts seem to be supportive of whatever the right wing dog whistle culture war topic du hour is. 😂 Well I suggest you have a little trawl through some of my posts I will admit to being anti Zionist have supported nationalisation of certain sectors I despise Blair and starmer I think corbyn was badly treated especially by his own side I am a ardent brexiter I distrust America I believe in unions and the right to strike not that I believe every strike is just On social issues I would be considered myself right wing Politically I believe I’m slightly to the left You may agree with or disagree with most of the above Frankly I don’t care everyone to there own
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 11, 2023 13:25:59 GMT
Think what you wish your sadly becoming tedious you asked a question you got a honest answer If you have problems with someone’s honest answer than maybe don’t ask the question As for ageism I’m slowly getting the exact same faults it happens to us all hopefully And as much as you would like to bring politics into this It’s got sod all to do with it I just think as someone gets to a certain age there not as good at there job as they used to be You of course in a free world have the right to disagree Just out of sheer devilment what do you consider are my political views 'I just think as someone gets to a certain age there not as good at there job as they used to be' Very broad brush there wags, in some occupations experience is a definite positive, quite obvious really. Yes I probably should of used a smaller brush age can be a useful attribute But on the point of Attenborough I personally think he’s past his best and despite someone’s continual effort it’s got sod all to do with politics it’s personal opinion
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Post by elystokie on Mar 11, 2023 14:19:30 GMT
'I just think as someone gets to a certain age there not as good at there job as they used to be' Very broad brush there wags, in some occupations experience is a definite positive, quite obvious really. Yes I probably should of used a smaller brush age can be a useful attribute But on the point of Attenborough I personally think he’s past his best and despite someone’s continual effort it’s got sod all to do with politics it’s personal opinion The point then surely becomes, in the case of Attenborough, who's going to do it that is a) better than him at it and b) are they going to be more popular with the viewing audience than he is. If not then it would be very unwise to replace him.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 11, 2023 14:25:29 GMT
Yes I probably should of used a smaller brush age can be a useful attribute But on the point of Attenborough I personally think he’s past his best and despite someone’s continual effort it’s got sod all to do with politics it’s personal opinion The point then surely becomes, in the case of Attenborough, who's going to do it that is a) better than him at it and b) are they going to be more popular with the viewing audience than he is. If not then it would be very unwise to replace him. Nowhere have I said he should be replaced That doesn’t mean I think he’s as good as he was A higher being than both of us or the bbc will probably decide the time of his television departure
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Post by questionable on Mar 11, 2023 14:43:15 GMT
The point then surely becomes, in the case of Attenborough, who's going to do it that is a) better than him at it and b) are they going to be more popular with the viewing audience than he is. If not then it would be very unwise to replace him. Nowhere have I said he should be replaced That doesn’t mean I think he’s as good as he was A higher being than both of us or the bbc will probably decide the time of his television departure Clarksons looking force something isn’t he??
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Post by elystokie on Mar 11, 2023 14:50:53 GMT
The point then surely becomes, in the case of Attenborough, who's going to do it that is a) better than him at it and b) are they going to be more popular with the viewing audience than he is. If not then it would be very unwise to replace him. Nowhere have I said he should be replaced That doesn’t mean I think he’s as good as he was A higher being than both of us or the bbc will probably decide the time of his television departure I've briefly read through the thread and I'm still not entirely sure where Attenborough first popped up and why to be honest. You could say that almost anything or anyone isn't 'as good as it/they was or were' but, in context, if there's no wish to replace them or it then it's a bit of a pointless comment isn't?
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 11, 2023 15:08:25 GMT
Nowhere have I said he should be replaced That doesn’t mean I think he’s as good as he was A higher being than both of us or the bbc will probably decide the time of his television departure I've briefly read through the thread and I'm still not entirely sure where Attenborough first popped up and why to be honest. You could say that almost anything or anyone isn't 'as good as it/they was or were' but, in context, if there's no wish to replace them or it then it's a bit of a pointless comment isn't? Stems from the original post and Then my reply Then it’s a long saga of someone trying to insinuate my original post on this thread is political
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 11, 2023 16:26:01 GMT
This shit unpopular faux populist government and it's culture warriors has made the BBC scared of it's own shadow. Why should a presenter not be allowed to air their views as long as they are not using BBC programming as a vehicle to air them. A government that knowingly puts forward policy it thinks is in breach of international law, sadly the BBC don't call them out anywhere near often enough.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 9, 2023 20:10:44 GMT
Amusing to see the BBC complaining about its twitter label: government funded media!
I wonder who at the BBC objected to that? Or, perhaps more accurately, who at the government told them at the BBC to object!
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