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Post by femark on Mar 7, 2023 12:47:44 GMT
we've got 11 players under contract at the end of the season. It's doubtful we'll be replacing anybody. We'll have our work cut out replacing gaps in the squad. Out of those 11 only Laurent stands out to me as an automatic choice. In all the other positions we have to find new 1st choices or competition for the current incumbents. We have a big summer ahead. Yep. We're looking at maybe three players currently making up our best XI who are likely to be here come the summer aren't we? GK - NEW RB - NEW CB - Wilmot CB - NEW LB - NEW DM - NEW CM - Laurent/Baker CAM - NEW RW - Campbell CF - NEW LW - NEW Little bit disingenuous really. From our regular starting 11 that will be here next season you can add Tymon, Brown, and Gayle. Sterling seems very likely at RB and I can see us being able to loan Smallbone and Sarkic again. That leaves us needing a starting CB and DM. Whether we have the money/appeal to sign Pearson remains to be seen and whether Taylor can step up. Obviously we need strenght in depth but that's where a mixture of free signings, loans and transfer fees come in.
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Post by collo68 on Mar 7, 2023 12:52:52 GMT
I like Brown as a squad player but if we are serious about promotion he can’t be in the first 11 in my opinion. Would he get in Burnley or Sheffield United team, answer is no
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2023 12:54:06 GMT
Yep. We're looking at maybe three players currently making up our best XI who are likely to be here come the summer aren't we? GK - NEW RB - NEW CB - Wilmot CB - NEW LB - NEW DM - NEW CM - Laurent/Baker CAM - NEW RW - Campbell CF - NEW LW - NEW Little bit disingenuous really. From our regular starting 11 that will be here next season you can add Tymon, Brown, and Gayle. Sterling seems very likely at RB and I can see us being able to loan Smallbone and Sarkic again. That leaves us needing a starting CB and DM. Whether we have the money/appeal to sign Pearson remains to be seen and whether Taylor can step up. Obviously we need strenght in depth but that's where a mixture of free signings, loans and transfer fees come in. I didn't intend to be disingenuous. Where is Tymon going to play? He's a crap left back and a crap left winger. He's a wing back and we don't play with those currently. Brown I'll give you at a push for one of the wide roles. If we're starting the same front three as first choice next season then we're going to have the same issues we've had for much of this season, we haven't suddenly turned a tap on and everything's fine now. We still need a target man. Is there anything concrete whatsoever at this point to suggest that Sterling, Smallbone and Sarkic will be available again? They may well be but we can't bank on that and they'll be very much in the 'new' bracket if we are able to get them back in - there's still work to be done to arrange those.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2023 12:57:26 GMT
Yep. We're looking at maybe three players currently making up our best XI who are likely to be here come the summer aren't we? GK - NEW RB - NEW CB - Wilmot CB - NEW LB - NEW DM - NEW CM - Laurent/Baker CAM - NEW RW - Campbell CF - NEW LW - NEW I don’t agree with that. I’d have Brown in any starting 11 in this league on the RW, especially with a target man. Campbell has made gradual improvements on the LW in recent weeks. I’d love to see Taylor tried alongside Wilmot to see if he’s close. I’d also love to see Tymon given a shot at left back now that we actually have a defensive midfielder. Getting a fuller understanding of those two should be imperative before creating an entirely new defensive line. I don’t see us getting an attacking midfielder. Our system currently doesn’t use one, which means someone would have to come to sit on a bench/be used for the occasional game. We need a couple of mobile 8s though to play alongside Laurent and in front of Pearson (hopefully). It’s still a huge task, but I think it’s a better idea to use what we can instead of trying to bring in even more. The recruitment has been below par for years, the less they have to do the better. If we're playing a back four then Tymon has no future here. It's that simple. You might as well ask him to have a go at being a rhinoceros. Potato-po-tart-o on the midfield question but we're going to need either Smallbone back or someone who can do what he does in triggering the press etc. Baker isn't that man. Taylor hopefully will get minutes but if our pool of centre back options is him, Wilmot and a 41-year-old then it's going to be a nervy old time at the back.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 7, 2023 13:09:10 GMT
I don’t agree with that. I’d have Brown in any starting 11 in this league on the RW, especially with a target man. Campbell has made gradual improvements on the LW in recent weeks. I’d love to see Taylor tried alongside Wilmot to see if he’s close. I’d also love to see Tymon given a shot at left back now that we actually have a defensive midfielder. Getting a fuller understanding of those two should be imperative before creating an entirely new defensive line. I don’t see us getting an attacking midfielder. Our system currently doesn’t use one, which means someone would have to come to sit on a bench/be used for the occasional game. We need a couple of mobile 8s though to play alongside Laurent and in front of Pearson (hopefully). It’s still a huge task, but I think it’s a better idea to use what we can instead of trying to bring in even more. The recruitment has been below par for years, the less they have to do the better. If we're playing a back four then Tymon has no future here. It's that simple. You might as well ask him to have a go at being a rhinoceros. Potato-po-tart-o on the midfield question but we're going to need either Smallbone back or someone who can do what he does in triggering the press etc. Baker isn't that man. Taylor hopefully will get minutes but if our pool of centre back options is him, Wilmot and a 41-year-old then it's going to be a nervy old time at the back. He hasn’t had a run in a back four of any prolonged extent since we started to get a tune out of him. He hasn’t had a run in a team that also has a decent central defensive partnership. He hasn’t had a run in a team that has a defensive midfielder. He’s still only 23. Perhaps we give him 10 games and see, or perhaps we just try to recruit 3 of 4 defenders for next season and see how likely that is to work out? I don’t see Smallbone coming back. He was on the cusp of their team before injury. They sent him out on loan so that we could waste 6 months developing him before getting anywhere instead. He’ll be playing against us next season. No idea what’s going to happen r.e. Baker. Perhaps a preseason will see a change in his own approach. I doubt it, which is a shame as he’s our only goalscoring midfielder.
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Post by collo68 on Mar 7, 2023 13:09:16 GMT
Let’s be honest Neil will already know who he wants and will have a few for each position. I imagine we will also use the load market again which he has done to good effect
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2023 13:48:56 GMT
If we're playing a back four then Tymon has no future here. It's that simple. You might as well ask him to have a go at being a rhinoceros. Potato-po-tart-o on the midfield question but we're going to need either Smallbone back or someone who can do what he does in triggering the press etc. Baker isn't that man. Taylor hopefully will get minutes but if our pool of centre back options is him, Wilmot and a 41-year-old then it's going to be a nervy old time at the back. He hasn’t had a run in a back four of any prolonged extent since we started to get a tune out of him. He hasn’t had a run in a team that also has a decent central defensive partnership. He hasn’t had a run in a team that has a defensive midfielder. He’s still only 23. Perhaps we give him 10 games and see, or perhaps we just try to recruit 3 of 4 defenders for next season and see how likely that is to work out? I don’t see Smallbone coming back. He was on the cusp of their team before injury. They sent him out on loan so that we could waste 6 months developing him before getting anywhere instead. He’ll be playing against us next season. No idea what’s going to happen r.e. Baker. Perhaps a preseason will see a change in his own approach. I doubt it, which is a shame as he’s our only goalscoring midfielder. The 'he hasn't had a run' argument used to get trotted out about Brek Shea. There's usually a reason why and if he wants one he'd help himself by not looking like a complete liability every time he gets an opportunity there. If we give him 10 games and see and it doesn't work, then what? Hard to know re Smallbone. Think we have a decent chance of being able to sign him as he fits Neil's system so perfectly and there's no guarantee Southampton will have/need that kind of role in their side.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 7, 2023 14:05:52 GMT
It'll be interesting to see if Neil gives Tymon the rest of the season in a back four. That'll be a good guide as to how he sees next season
Ryan Manning seems the best Champ LB on the free market by quite a way. But don't know if we'll be in the mix for him - and he seems to be another whose strengths lie going forward
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Mar 7, 2023 14:12:16 GMT
He hasn’t had a run in a back four of any prolonged extent since we started to get a tune out of him. He hasn’t had a run in a team that also has a decent central defensive partnership. He hasn’t had a run in a team that has a defensive midfielder. He’s still only 23. Perhaps we give him 10 games and see, or perhaps we just try to recruit 3 of 4 defenders for next season and see how likely that is to work out? I don’t see Smallbone coming back. He was on the cusp of their team before injury. They sent him out on loan so that we could waste 6 months developing him before getting anywhere instead. He’ll be playing against us next season. No idea what’s going to happen r.e. Baker. Perhaps a preseason will see a change in his own approach. I doubt it, which is a shame as he’s our only goalscoring midfielder. The 'he hasn't had a run' argument used to get trotted out about Brek Shea. There's usually a reason why and if he wants one he'd help himself by not looking like a complete liability every time he gets an opportunity there. If we give him 10 games and see and it doesn't work, then what? Hard to know re Smallbone. Think we have a decent chance of being able to sign him as he fits Neil's system so perfectly and there's no guarantee Southampton will have/need that kind of role in their side. It just so happens we've got 10 games to give him now though, haven't we?
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 7, 2023 14:13:08 GMT
He hasn’t had a run in a back four of any prolonged extent since we started to get a tune out of him. He hasn’t had a run in a team that also has a decent central defensive partnership. He hasn’t had a run in a team that has a defensive midfielder. He’s still only 23. Perhaps we give him 10 games and see, or perhaps we just try to recruit 3 of 4 defenders for next season and see how likely that is to work out? I don’t see Smallbone coming back. He was on the cusp of their team before injury. They sent him out on loan so that we could waste 6 months developing him before getting anywhere instead. He’ll be playing against us next season. No idea what’s going to happen r.e. Baker. Perhaps a preseason will see a change in his own approach. I doubt it, which is a shame as he’s our only goalscoring midfielder. The 'he hasn't had a run' argument used to get trotted out about Brek Shea. There's usually a reason why and if he wants one he'd help himself by not looking like a complete liability every time he gets an opportunity there. If we give him 10 games and see and it doesn't work, then what? Hard to know re Smallbone. Think we have a decent chance of being able to sign him as he fits Neil's system so perfectly and there's no guarantee Southampton will have/need that kind of role in their side. “If we give him 10 games and see and it doesn't work, then what?” - then you sell him. We should have sold him last season if the goal was only to bring in a manager that doesn’t play 352. Now he’s going to be worth next to nothing anyways, so we may as well give it a shot. I still think his pros would outweigh his cons if we had an actual target to aim for in the box. I just flat out disagree with you r.e. him being awful there. As for Smallbone, he can fit all he likes, but doesn’t he still have 12 months left? I’m not sure he’s worth a reasonable fee (1-2 million?) when we have to spread our finances so wide now. If we could get him for about 500k, I wouldn’t say no. That’s assuming Southampton don’t want to keep him and that he wants to leave the area permanently.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2023 14:14:56 GMT
The 'he hasn't had a run' argument used to get trotted out about Brek Shea. There's usually a reason why and if he wants one he'd help himself by not looking like a complete liability every time he gets an opportunity there. If we give him 10 games and see and it doesn't work, then what? Hard to know re Smallbone. Think we have a decent chance of being able to sign him as he fits Neil's system so perfectly and there's no guarantee Southampton will have/need that kind of role in their side. It just so happens we've got 10 games to give him now though, haven't we? Are we happy to piss those away then? Or do we want to pick the best team we've got and finish as high up the league as we can?
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 7, 2023 14:17:48 GMT
Doesn't really matter what we think. Neil will reveal his hand on what he believes is Tymon's capability to play in his back four. He won't be sentimental about it - if he doesn't think he can play there, he won't - starting on Friday.
And if he doesn't think he can, you'd think we'll be looking to move him on.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2023 14:20:14 GMT
The 'he hasn't had a run' argument used to get trotted out about Brek Shea. There's usually a reason why and if he wants one he'd help himself by not looking like a complete liability every time he gets an opportunity there. If we give him 10 games and see and it doesn't work, then what? Hard to know re Smallbone. Think we have a decent chance of being able to sign him as he fits Neil's system so perfectly and there's no guarantee Southampton will have/need that kind of role in their side. “If we give him 10 games and see and it doesn't work, then what?” - then you sell him. We should have sold him last season if the goal was only to bring in a manager that doesn’t play 352. Now he’s going to be worth next to nothing anyways, so we may as well give it a shot. I still think his pros would outweigh his cons if we had an actual target to aim for in the box. I just flat out disagree with you r.e. him being awful there. As for Smallbone, he can fit all he likes, but doesn’t he still have 12 months left? I’m not sure he’s worth a reasonable fee (1-2 million?) when we have to spread our finances so wide now. If we could get him for about 500k, I wouldn’t say no. That’s assuming Southampton don’t want to keep him and that he wants to leave the area permanently. The cons are that he has no positional sense whatsoever and gets a constant chasing in that position. You're always going to have to accept some trade-off defensively with good attacking full backs but when he's there, for whatever reason, he looks like he's spent two days playing blind man's buff in a washing machine. We absolutely should have sold him when we had the chance, agree with that completely. If MON hadn't become so obsessed with 3-5-2/3-4-3 I think there's a good chance he'd still be here. Smallbone isn't necessarily to my tastes in that role but he's key to Neil's system and that's the important thing. If coughing up £2-3m is the difference between the system working and not then it's worth it.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Mar 7, 2023 14:22:22 GMT
It just so happens we've got 10 games to give him now though, haven't we? Are we happy to piss those away then? Or do we want to pick the best team we've got and finish as high up the league as we can? I think Josh has enough credit in the bank to warrant the chance to prove himself as a LB, plenty in fact. And him doing so is the best result for the club.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2023 14:24:23 GMT
Are we happy to piss those away then? Or do we want to pick the best team we've got and finish as high up the league as we can? I think Josh has enough credit in the bank to warrant the chance to prove himself as a LB, plenty in fact. And him doing so is the best result for the club. In a different position though. He has very little as an actual left back. But fair enough. We don't agree.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 7, 2023 14:31:20 GMT
Tymon in the current system would be best used where Smallbone plays.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 7, 2023 14:35:34 GMT
“If we give him 10 games and see and it doesn't work, then what?” - then you sell him. We should have sold him last season if the goal was only to bring in a manager that doesn’t play 352. Now he’s going to be worth next to nothing anyways, so we may as well give it a shot. I still think his pros would outweigh his cons if we had an actual target to aim for in the box. I just flat out disagree with you r.e. him being awful there. As for Smallbone, he can fit all he likes, but doesn’t he still have 12 months left? I’m not sure he’s worth a reasonable fee (1-2 million?) when we have to spread our finances so wide now. If we could get him for about 500k, I wouldn’t say no. That’s assuming Southampton don’t want to keep him and that he wants to leave the area permanently. The cons are that he has no positional sense whatsoever and gets a constant chasing in that position. You're always going to have to accept some trade-off defensively with good attacking full backs but when he's there, for whatever reason, he looks like he's spent two days playing blind man's buff in a washing machine. We absolutely should have sold him when we had the chance, agree with that completely. If MON hadn't become so obsessed with 3-5-2/3-4-3 I think there's a good chance he'd still be here. Smallbone isn't necessarily to my tastes in that role but he's key to Neil's system and that's the important thing. If coughing up £2-3m is the difference between the system working and not then it's worth it. I just think that there’s a lot more players like Smallbone (good runners) than there are like Pearson. I don’t expect us to spend anywhere close to 18 million all in one window, yet we need to do A LOT. If we are going to spend 2-3 million on guaranteed starters, I’d rather it be on a target man, goalkeeper and Pearson. After that, I think that there will be plenty of good options for other positions in the free transfer market (and we will have to supplement with 3-5 loans as well). With regards to Tymon, I would honestly prefer to try him there, even if he cost us points at the end of this season. There’s no financial gain to be had finishing two spots further up the league. No player is going to care about where you finish unless it’s a) top 6, or b) bottom five. The alternative is Hoever at present. He won’t be here next season (most likely) and he was ran ragged by Clarke, so he’s not exactly up next to give a defensive masterclass either. Edit: it’s that reasoning that makes me want to see Taylor in there instead of Jagielka. If he’s really out of sorts, then we need to bring in yet another central defender for him as well as for the first eleven. You keep mentioning that we need to restructure the club so that we have long term goals, but you seem happy to push for meaningless short term gains at the expense of potential player development. I don’t understand that.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2023 14:40:52 GMT
The cons are that he has no positional sense whatsoever and gets a constant chasing in that position. You're always going to have to accept some trade-off defensively with good attacking full backs but when he's there, for whatever reason, he looks like he's spent two days playing blind man's buff in a washing machine. We absolutely should have sold him when we had the chance, agree with that completely. If MON hadn't become so obsessed with 3-5-2/3-4-3 I think there's a good chance he'd still be here. Smallbone isn't necessarily to my tastes in that role but he's key to Neil's system and that's the important thing. If coughing up £2-3m is the difference between the system working and not then it's worth it. I just think that there’s a lot more players like Smallbone (good runners) than there are like Pearson. I don’t expect us to spend anywhere close to 18 million all in one window, yet we need to do A LOT. If we are going to spend 2-3 million on guaranteed starters, I’d rather it be on a target man, goalkeeper and Pearson. After that, I think that there will be plenty of good options for other positions in the free transfer market (and we will have to supplement with 3-5 loans as well). With regards to Tymon, I would honestly prefer to try him there, even if he cost us points at the end of this season. There’s no financial gain to be had finishing two spots further up the league. No player is going to care about where you finish unless it’s a) top 6, or b) bottom five. The alternative is Hoever at present. He won’t be here next season (most likely) and he was ran ragged by Clarke, so he’s not exactly up next to give a defensive masterclass either. I think there's more to Smallbone than just being a good runner to be fair and more to playing the role than just being a good runner. Agree that Pearson is a bigger priority. I could see goalkeeper being a position a loanee could fill tbh. Hoever at least looks like a full back, even though he seems to oscillate between good and awful in the same game a lot of the time. We need momentum, even if we'll be losing most of these player, something to give the club a lift, and I think players do recognise teams who finish strongly and seem to be on a crest of something good.
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Post by nonameface on Mar 7, 2023 14:45:03 GMT
Tymon is a really good player and he could play left back for us, but we may be able to get £5m+ for him right now which would help us to get more players suited to the formation and tactics we presently use or intend to next season.
I'm leaning more on getting him sold.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 7, 2023 15:05:52 GMT
I just think that there’s a lot more players like Smallbone (good runners) than there are like Pearson. I don’t expect us to spend anywhere close to 18 million all in one window, yet we need to do A LOT. If we are going to spend 2-3 million on guaranteed starters, I’d rather it be on a target man, goalkeeper and Pearson. After that, I think that there will be plenty of good options for other positions in the free transfer market (and we will have to supplement with 3-5 loans as well). With regards to Tymon, I would honestly prefer to try him there, even if he cost us points at the end of this season. There’s no financial gain to be had finishing two spots further up the league. No player is going to care about where you finish unless it’s a) top 6, or b) bottom five. The alternative is Hoever at present. He won’t be here next season (most likely) and he was ran ragged by Clarke, so he’s not exactly up next to give a defensive masterclass either. I think there's more to Smallbone than just being a good runner to be fair and more to playing the role than just being a good runner. Agree that Pearson is a bigger priority. I could see goalkeeper being a position a loanee could fill tbh. Hoever at least looks like a full back, even though he seems to oscillate between good and awful in the same game a lot of the time. We need momentum, even if we'll be losing most of these player, something to give the club a lift, and I think players do recognise teams who finish strongly and seem to be on a crest of something good. Hm. Not sure r.e. having our best goalkeeping option as a loan unless we re-sign Bonham or another average Championship goalkeeper as back up. If you are thinking long term, surely you want a defensive trio (goalkeeper and central defenders) to build long term relationships. Also, what happens if the loaning team has an injury crisis and simply recalls our first choice. I could understand the idea if it was someone with 12 months left on their contract though. R.e footballers. I think that if you offered them an extra few hundred versus your competition, they’d not even consider the difference between 12th and 15th to be honest, especially if you had someone talk about how we have “an exciting, new opportunity to build something with them at the heart of it” yada yada. Overall, I’d personally rather we take the opportunity to try out Tezgel, Taylor and Tymon. I’m disappointed we can’t add DWP to that list. To a lesser extent, we should also be looking to give minutes to any other youngster who has had time on the bench this season (Lowe and Macari at least) so that we can increase the interest for loaning them out next year.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Mar 7, 2023 15:17:23 GMT
I think Josh has enough credit in the bank to warrant the chance to prove himself as a LB, plenty in fact. And him doing so is the best result for the club. In a different position though. He has very little as an actual left back. But fair enough. We don't agree. We could spend all day discussing it, although I have seen him have good games there. Forest away springs to mind last year.
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Post by femark on Mar 7, 2023 15:23:07 GMT
I think Josh has enough credit in the bank to warrant the chance to prove himself as a LB, plenty in fact. And him doing so is the best result for the club. In a different position though. He has very little as an actual left back. But fair enough. We don't agree. All of our full backs have looked wank in a back 4 prior to the current team under Neil. I think it's worth seeing if Tymon plays better in the current side at LB because if he does then it's one less player we need to sign. I've mentioned it before but Tommy Smith looked absolutely woeful at RB on a number of occasions but is currently starting RB for the third placed team. He hasn't suddenly improved, he's playing in a good formation with good tactics.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2023 15:33:24 GMT
I think there's more to Smallbone than just being a good runner to be fair and more to playing the role than just being a good runner. Agree that Pearson is a bigger priority. I could see goalkeeper being a position a loanee could fill tbh. Hoever at least looks like a full back, even though he seems to oscillate between good and awful in the same game a lot of the time. We need momentum, even if we'll be losing most of these player, something to give the club a lift, and I think players do recognise teams who finish strongly and seem to be on a crest of something good. Hm. Not sure r.e. having our best goalkeeping option as a loan unless we re-sign Bonham or another average Championship goalkeeper as back up. If you are thinking long term, surely you want a defensive trio (goalkeeper and central defenders) to build long term relationships. Also, what happens if the loaning team has an injury crisis and simply recalls our first choice. I could understand the idea if it was someone with 12 months left on their contract though. R.e footballers. I think that if you offered them an extra few hundred versus your competition, they’d not even consider the difference between 12th and 15th to be honest, especially if you had someone talk about how we have “an exciting, new opportunity to build something with them at the heart of it” yada yada. Overall, I’d personally rather we take the opportunity to try out Tezgel, Taylor and Tymon. I’m disappointed we can’t add DWP to that list. To a lesser extent, we should also be looking to give minutes to any other youngster who has had time on the bench this season (Lowe and Macari at least) so that we can increase the interest for loaning them out next year. Re goalkeepers, it's the risk you take. There isn't a risk-free option. There are numerous examples of where it's worked very well. I don't think all footballers are motivated purely by money. There are plenty of hungry ones with something to prove who want to put prove themselves or put themselves in a position to go as far as they can. There are loads of factors to consider beyond just the money.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2023 15:34:01 GMT
In a different position though. He has very little as an actual left back. But fair enough. We don't agree. All of our full backs have looked wank in a back 4 prior to the current team under Neil. I think it's worth seeing if Tymon plays better in the current side at LB because if he does then it's one less player we need to sign. I've mentioned it before but Tommy Smith looked absolutely woeful at RB on a number of occasions but is currently starting RB for the third placed team. He hasn't suddenly improved, he's playing in a good formation with good tactics. Very fair point.
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Post by thestatusquo on Mar 7, 2023 15:35:10 GMT
Different managers have all tried Tymon as left back and all of them then realised it was a mistake and stopped doing it
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 7, 2023 15:41:16 GMT
Different managers have all tried Tymon as left back and all of them then realised it was a mistake and stopped doing it If you played a 4-2-3-1 or a box formation (4-2-2-2) with two genuine defensive midfielders Tymon would be a good option at left back, without that protection we'd get exposed badly.......
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 7, 2023 16:42:21 GMT
Hm. Not sure r.e. having our best goalkeeping option as a loan unless we re-sign Bonham or another average Championship goalkeeper as back up. If you are thinking long term, surely you want a defensive trio (goalkeeper and central defenders) to build long term relationships. Also, what happens if the loaning team has an injury crisis and simply recalls our first choice. I could understand the idea if it was someone with 12 months left on their contract though. R.e footballers. I think that if you offered them an extra few hundred versus your competition, they’d not even consider the difference between 12th and 15th to be honest, especially if you had someone talk about how we have “an exciting, new opportunity to build something with them at the heart of it” yada yada. Overall, I’d personally rather we take the opportunity to try out Tezgel, Taylor and Tymon. I’m disappointed we can’t add DWP to that list. To a lesser extent, we should also be looking to give minutes to any other youngster who has had time on the bench this season (Lowe and Macari at least) so that we can increase the interest for loaning them out next year. Re goalkeepers, it's the risk you take. There isn't a risk-free option. There are numerous examples of where it's worked very well. I don't think all footballers are motivated purely by money. There are plenty of hungry ones with something to prove who want to put prove themselves or put themselves in a position to go as far as they can. There are loads of factors to consider beyond just the money. If that were the case, the Championship wouldn’t have seen a gradual decrease in quality over the years. A decrease that can be seen throughout the footballing league. Premier league quality players don’t drop divisions anymore to play regularly unless they are financially looked after through (for example) parachute payments. I am sure that there are some players who don’t follow the green trail, but I’m also pretty sure that they are in the minority. Taking risks is a big part of recruitment, I agree. I would just rather minimize that risk for key positions. If the deal was say a 12 month loan with an option to buy, I wouldn’t mind it. Other than that, let’s just find a goalkeeper that we can build a settled defence around. Without one, we are going nowhere.
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Post by femark on Mar 7, 2023 16:43:00 GMT
Different managers have all tried Tymon as left back and all of them then realised it was a mistake and stopped doing it Those managers also failed at Stoke so we can't really take their word for it.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2023 16:46:55 GMT
Re goalkeepers, it's the risk you take. There isn't a risk-free option. There are numerous examples of where it's worked very well. I don't think all footballers are motivated purely by money. There are plenty of hungry ones with something to prove who want to put prove themselves or put themselves in a position to go as far as they can. There are loads of factors to consider beyond just the money. If that were the case, the Championship wouldn’t have seen a gradual decrease in quality over the years. A decrease that can be seen throughout the footballing league. Premier league quality players don’t drop divisions anymore to play regularly unless they are financially looked after through (for example) parachute payments. I am sure that there are some players who don’t follow the green trail, but I’m also pretty sure that they are in the minority. Taking risks is a big part of recruitment, I agree. I would just rather minimize that risk for key positions. If the deal was say a 12 month loan with an option to buy, I wouldn’t mind it. Other than that, let’s just find a goalkeeper that we can build a settled defence around. Without one, we are going nowhere. You've made a couple of pretty sizeable assumptions there though that 1) Quality players must be dropping down a division and 2) That anyone joining one of the bigger clubs in the Championship is doing so solely to be financially looked after. I don't think either are true, especially.
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Post by thestatusquo on Mar 7, 2023 16:53:41 GMT
Different managers have all tried Tymon as left back and all of them then realised it was a mistake and stopped doing it Those managers also failed at Stoke so we can't really take their word for it. Would these be the same managers that played him at wingback which was so obviously his best position or are you disagreement with that too?
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