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Feb 19, 2023 8:35:24 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 19, 2023 8:35:24 GMT
Campbell at a push😂😂😂😂 Keep him as a Stanchion maybe ? A wobbly, broken and weak stanchion you'd be afraid to lean on to keep you up. He's about as effective as a corner flag but not as useful.
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Post by jeycov on Feb 19, 2023 8:59:16 GMT
A concern is 1 from this squad who wants to stay / think they have a future here? 2 who would improve our squad, and consider coming here in our current predicament?
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Post by independent on Feb 21, 2023 15:22:05 GMT
A concern is 1 from this squad who wants to stay / think they have a future here? 2 who would improve our squad, and consider coming here in our current predicament? Ireland’s Will Smallbone is an underrated talent, according to Stoke boss Alex Neil: ‘He’s unbelievable’
He will hardly want to stay and we probably can't afford him anyway. Personally, I wouldn't want to keep him anyway. This June, we will have money to spend for the first time in 3 years. and lots of players out of contract. We could probably sign 17 new players if we wish. I would rather "light a candle than curse the dark." We have lots of vacancies so all suggestions would be welcome. I may be wrong, but I think AN will have difficulty signing decent players who will have other options available to them.
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Post by knype on Feb 21, 2023 15:44:05 GMT
They have to question their position at the end of the season at least and John really needs to look in the mirror and ask himself some very frank questions. If we do go down then they should sell up immediately. To who?
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Post by nott1 on Feb 21, 2023 15:48:48 GMT
What a mess this squad is. The last 3 managers have absolutely shafted us. Think I’d keep Tymon, Laurent and Campbell at a push...wouldn’t bat an eyelid if everyone else left. Thank fuck we have a fair few out of contract in the summer. Over to you Mr Neil Or over to a proper manager!
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Feb 21, 2023 15:58:34 GMT
They have to question their position at the end of the season at least and John really needs to look in the mirror and ask himself some very frank questions. If we do go down then they should sell up immediately. To who? I don't want them to sell up but the question 'To who?' is just daft really. How does anyone know who would come in to buy the club until they were up for sale.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Feb 21, 2023 16:03:38 GMT
What a mess this squad is. The last 3 managers have absolutely shafted us. Think I’d keep Tymon, Laurent and Campbell at a push...wouldn’t bat an eyelid if everyone else left. Thank fuck we have a fair few out of contract in the summer. Over to you Mr Neil Or over to a proper manager! What do you mean a proper manager? He is a 'proper manager'. You don't manage numerous clubs at this level and win promotions by winging it.
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 21, 2023 16:17:16 GMT
I don't want them to sell up but the question 'To who?' is just daft really. How does anyone know who would come in to buy the club until they were up for sale. Exactly.
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Post by independent on Feb 21, 2023 16:23:05 GMT
Or over to a proper manager! What do you mean a proper manager? He is a 'proper manager'. You don't manage numerous clubs at this level and win promotions by winging it. To play the type of football most of us would like to see, you need good technical players. Unfortunately they are in great demand and are very expensive. Even if we were in the Premier, to get those players to come to us,we would have to pay over the odds and offer long term contracts. Does that sound familiar? Man City/Utd. etc. can buy 3 x £40 million players, find out they are shit/don't suit the team and sell them off for £20 million each and not even blink. Harry Maguire £80 million will probably be sold for £20 million, if they are lucky and even then they might still have to subsidise his wages.Mistakes like that would sink us in the Premier if we made them. In the Championship we have an income in the low 20 millions and we are allowed lose 13 millions a year. Let's say that we have £35 million a year to play with. If we wish to be prudent and spend 60% of our income on players wages that would amount to £21 million. The 50th best paid player in the league this year earns over £1 million 50.Adam Idah £1,196,000 So with a squad of 26 players our money would not go that far if we want a couple of top class signings. It's not quite as easy as some on here think.
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Feb 21, 2023 16:34:39 GMT
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 21, 2023 16:34:39 GMT
Every single one of the 1st teamers can feck off for me.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 21, 2023 16:34:44 GMT
I'd settle for a Pulis esque team with hard workers and a couple of magicians as long as that makes us able to compete for promotion!
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Post by independent on Feb 21, 2023 16:49:59 GMT
Sunderland, like Brighton and Brentford before them are trying to sign young players with potential, and hopefully a good resale value. Seems a sensible way to go, but unfortunately it can't work for everyone and the field for good young players will quickly become crowded. Celtic managed it for a few years but their last crop weren't on a par wth the one that produced VVD. It seems obvious that if you achieve good results then your next signings will cost you more or a greater sell on fee. You probably need a couple of failures to keep prices down. Just make sure that you break even on the flops. As more people try it, then prices will rise. The advantage that Celtic has is that they can offer the players Champion's League football. Patrick Roberts who is doing well for Sunderland and helped to get them up, was on loan with Celtic a couple of years ago, which suggests that there are still good signings out there.
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Post by knype on Feb 21, 2023 16:53:24 GMT
I don't want them to sell up but th6e question 'To who?' is just daft really. How does anyone know who would come in to buy the club until they were up for sale. You only have to look around in recent years to realise that there aren't people queuing up to buy Championship or lower league clubs? Any that have been taken over have run into difficulties?
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Feb 21, 2023 16:58:14 GMT
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Feb 21, 2023 16:58:14 GMT
I don't want them to sell up but th6e question 'To who?' is just daft really. How does anyone know who would come in to buy the club until they were up for sale. You only have to look around in recent years to realise that there aren't people queuing up to buy Championship or lower league clubs? Any that have been taken over have run into difficulties? Not every owner is the same and things that have happened to other clubs being bought wouldn't necessarily happen to us. To say 'to who?' is strange as we wouldn't know who would be willing to buy us unless the club was up for sale. One example of it not going tits up though as you mention it is Wrexham who are on an upward curve with new owners and they are a lower league club.
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Post by knype on Feb 21, 2023 16:59:10 GMT
You only have to look around in recent years to realise that there aren't people queuing up to buy Championship or lower league clubs? Any that have been taken over have run into difficulties? Not every owner is the same and things that have happened to other clubs being bought wouldn't necessarily happen to us. To say 'to who?' is strange as we wouldn't know who would be willing to buy us unless the club was up for sale. One example of it not going tits up though as you mention it is Wrexham who are on an upward curve with new owners and they are a lower league club. That's a complete 1 off.
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Post by independent on Feb 21, 2023 17:37:34 GMT
The Championship clubs between them owe over £1700 million or an average of 70 million each. According to the Cardiff chairman half the clubs are quietly being offered for sale. Sheffield Utd. are being bought for 90 million even though it looks like they will make it to the Prem and collect 120 million, so they must owe money. West Brom are after borrowing money from the same high interest source as Derby did, which looks a dangerous move. Stoke have lost 178 million over the last 4 years. How much would YOU pay for a business with that record. One that more than likely is still losing money as we speak and even has some debt on it's balance sheet. Burnley were bought when they were in the Prem and had 60 million in the Bank and I can see the original owners taking back ownership within a couple of years.
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Post by kerouac on Feb 21, 2023 17:48:03 GMT
Laurent,Smallbone,Tezgel,Pearson if he signs, not really seen enough of the keeper,Sterling and Campbell.....tara to the rest of em.
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Post by independent on Feb 21, 2023 17:48:52 GMT
I think that in the next few years, some clubs are going to get into trouble and you are going to see them sold to chancers from America or else go bust. Survival is going to be the name of the game unless you can convince the Prem to give away 25% of it's TV money to the EFL. Good luck with that. People don't know how lucky we are.
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Feb 21, 2023 17:49:17 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 21, 2023 17:49:17 GMT
Laurent,Smallbone,Tezgel,Pearson if he signs, not really seen enough of the keeper,Sterling and Campbell.....tara to the rest of em. The first two have had about 3 good games each. Why would you want to keep them?
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Post by independent on Feb 21, 2023 17:52:25 GMT
Laurent,Smallbone,Tezgel,Pearson if he signs, not really seen enough of the keeper,Sterling and Campbell.....tara to the rest of em. The first two have had about 3 good games each. Why would you want to keep them? You may be right but..... Ireland’s Will Smallbone is an underrated talent, according to Stoke boss Alex Neil: ‘He’s unbelievable’
He will hardly want to stay and we probably can't afford him anyway. Personally, I wouldn't want to keep him anyway.
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Post by skemstokie on Feb 21, 2023 18:01:58 GMT
I don't want them to sell up but the question 'To who?' is just daft really. How does anyone know who would come in to buy the club until they were up for sale. Peter Coates first tenure of Stoke was far from perfect but he was not in the position to lavish money on the club,he sold to the Icelandic consortium in my opinion because it was in the clubs best interest (who else came calling?) when it was obvious the consortium was failing and the Coates family by now quite rich which set us off on what is possibly our best ever era ever,they are local ,love the club and have money and people call for them to leave,it beggars belief.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 21, 2023 18:03:16 GMT
The Championship clubs between them owe over £1700 million or an average of 70 million each. According to the Cardiff chairman half the clubs are quietly being offered for sale. Sheffield Utd. are being bought for 90 million even though it looks like they will make it to the Prem and collect 120 million, so they must owe money. West Brom are after borrowing money from the same high interest source as Derby did, which looks a dangerous move. Stoke have lost 178 million over the last 4 years. How much would YOU pay for a business with that record. One that more than likely is still losing money as we speak and even has some debt on it's balance sheet. Burnley were bought when they were in the Prem and had 60 million in the Bank and I can see the original owners taking back ownership within a couple of years. Owning a football club is a licence to burn money. The only people who do it are: 1 People whitewashing a dodgy regime (Man City) 2 People laundering dodgy money (Chelsea) 3 Crooks who think they can game the system (Derby) 3 Complete chancers (Blackburn under the Venkys) 4 Vultures loading debt onto the club and milking what they can (Man Utd under the Glazers) 5 Soulless conglomerates in it for as long as they can milk the asset (Liverpool) 6 Insanely rich benefactors who actually have an emotional attachment to the club (Us) Despite what some people seem to think there isn't anyone out there with a shed load of money and no ulterior motive just gagging to shovel money into a bottomless pit - the queue is almost exclusively comprised of arseholes, crooks and morons. Stick for me. It's not great at the moment but it could almost certainly be a hell of a lot worse.
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Feb 21, 2023 18:11:09 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 21, 2023 18:11:09 GMT
The first two have had about 3 good games each. Why would you want to keep them? You may be right but..... Ireland’s Will Smallbone is an underrated talent, according to Stoke boss Alex Neil: ‘He’s unbelievable’
He will hardly want to stay and we probably can't afford him anyway. Personally, I wouldn't want to keep him anyway. I couldn’t give a shit what AN thinks about him tbh. A none creative, creative midfielder isn’t for me.
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Feb 21, 2023 18:17:42 GMT
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Post by Fred Merger on Feb 21, 2023 18:17:42 GMT
Sarkic looks OK,but will return to Wolves
Sterling seems to be settling down but again no chance of him signing full term
Wilmot Certainly tries but for me lacks physical presence and has too many mistakes in him. If we are to progress we need better.
Jags Great professional, but won't get another deal surely at 40.
Fox personally I'd let him go some people might retain him as backup.
Tymon had 1 good season last year and never got going this season. Possibly not out of control anyway. So see how he goes.
Thompson another trier but lacks quality only ever really backup again.
Laurent a slow start but seems to be getting it together recently. Definitely a starter for me if fit.
Baker Quality on his day but seems to have dropped of a cliff form wise. Neil seems to prefer Smallbone who Certainly works harder but isn't as sharp in front of goal.
Pearson oozes quality and seems just what we need next to Laurent. Having worked with AN before,he probably is our best chance of signing full time for us especially if Bournemouth avoid the drop.
Brown our leading scorer again at the moment and although erratic shooting wise,I'd start him before Gayle or Campbell at the moment.
Campbell probably our best finisher but seems to lack motivation somehow. I'd certainly fetch him off a lot earlier than AN does and give a youngster more minutes at the end if things are going against us.
Gayle Expected so much more from him than we have got. Had some bad luck with goals disallowed earlier in the season. But he has looked better in some games supporting players although offers very little goal threat himself.
Powell Has been our talisman under MON at times between injuries,but I like others just think he's too much of a dead weight to carry wages wise versus games where he's actually available.
Clucas Probably one of Rowetts better signings and was a real goal threat but now sadly misses too many games and is just past his best. Need to let go.
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Feb 21, 2023 18:26:41 GMT
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Feb 21, 2023 18:26:41 GMT
I hope they all start taking it in turns to park in Uncle Pete's parking space.
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Post by Sfance on Feb 21, 2023 18:26:49 GMT
The first two have had about 3 good games each. Why would you want to keep them? You may be right but..... Ireland’s Will Smallbone is an underrated talent, according to Stoke boss Alex Neil: ‘He’s unbelievable’
He will hardly want to stay and we probably can't afford him anyway. Personally, I wouldn't want to keep him anyway. The only unbelievable one in that sentence is Alex Neil.
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Post by pmjh on Feb 21, 2023 18:32:02 GMT
with only 11 players left at the end of the season I'd be surprised if we got rid of many of those under contract. I'd like to sign 11 players to go straight into the first team and let the remainder of this squad complete for places.
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Post by chigstoke on Feb 21, 2023 18:37:12 GMT
I don't want them to sell up but the question 'To who?' is just daft really. How does anyone know who would come in to buy the club until they were up for sale. Exactly. People seem to instantly default to the sorts who took Bolton, Hull, Oldham etc... Yes, I accept that new owners could well be of that sort. We'd feel sick. But we could also get a fantastic new owner who implements actual modern footballing processes from the 21st century and invests wisely. Fact is, we don't know until the time comes, if it ever does. So let's hope then, in an ideal scenario #1, that John sorts himself out, sorts the club out and starts to finally appoint footballing people, in footballing roles, with modern day processes, and invests wisely in the club.
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Post by independent on Feb 21, 2023 18:41:18 GMT
That should be the aim okay, but it might be hard to achieve. I think that we would most likely attract conmen and carpetbaggers. How many clubs in the last 5 years have got good new owners? The overspending is even spreading to the Prem.
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Feb 21, 2023 18:46:02 GMT
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Feb 21, 2023 18:46:02 GMT
I don't want them to sell up but the question 'To who?' is just daft really. How does anyone know who would come in to buy the club until they were up for sale. Peter Coates first tenure of Stoke was far from perfect but he was not in the position to lavish money on the club,he sold to the Icelandic consortium in my opinion because it was in the clubs best interest (who else came calling?) when it was obvious the consortium was failing and the Coates family by now quite rich which set us off on what is possibly our best ever era ever,they are local ,love the club and have money and people call for them to leave,it beggars belief. I agree with that, as I say I don't want them to sell. However they do need to make changes in the way they run the club in my opinion.
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