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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 26, 2024 14:09:33 GMT
Shit I've responded quite a lot on this already - reckon I must be a page and half away from just typing: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!! in a bigger font then jumping in the car to sack Carlisle before taking on York this Sunday. But were you happy with Mel Gibson appropriating Scottish culture 🤔 😉
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Post by noustie on Apr 26, 2024 14:23:59 GMT
The whole thing is a panto - if there is a vote of no confidence in him as brought by the Tories he doesn't actually have to do a fucking thing. If on the other hand the vote of no confidence had been brought against the Scottish government then that would have been completely different. Interestingly Ash Regan (I think) who defected to Alba would hold the deciding vote potentially. Whole thing is a farce and pantomime. Not sure if the Labour vote of no confidence in the Scottish govt has gone in yet, assume it will and not just sabre (Saltire) rattling. If Labour are smart they'd do it because then it would put every other party on the back foot. Are the Greens still in the huff? Would the tories show some bollocks to back it? Would Ash Reagan (Alba) vote with Labour? and frankly who gives a flying fuck what the Lib Dems would do anyway.
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Post by noustie on Apr 26, 2024 14:25:11 GMT
Shit I've responded quite a lot on this already - reckon I must be a page and half away from just typing: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!! in a bigger font then jumping in the car to sack Carlisle before taking on York this Sunday. But were you happy with Mel Gibson appropriating Scottish culture 🤔 😉 I was massively offended by him appropriating blue face - feel a right twat wearing it down the co-op now!
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 26, 2024 15:22:48 GMT
If Labour are smart they'd do it because then it would put every other party on the back foot. Are the Greens still in the huff? Would the tories show some bollocks to back it? Would Ash Reagan (Alba) vote with Labour? and frankly who gives a flying fuck what the Lib Dems would do anyway. Horse trading begins
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Post by noustie on Apr 26, 2024 15:29:27 GMT
If Labour are smart they'd do it because then it would put every other party on the back foot. Are the Greens still in the huff? Would the tories show some bollocks to back it? Would Ash Reagan (Alba) vote with Labour? and frankly who gives a flying fuck what the Lib Dems would do anyway. Horse trading begins Ash Regan - the MSP who could decide the future of Humza Yousaf - has appeared to name her price for her support in next week's no-confidence vote.
She has said, in a letter to Alba Party members, that investment in the Grangemouth refinery will be a key condition of her backing the first minister.
The refinery is currently due to shut as early as next year and move to being an import and export terminal.
Alba has launched a a campaign to sustain jobs at the refinery.
"A sign of good faith would be a significant government investment, reinforcing the campaign to save the Grangemouth refinery from closure," she says in her letter.
That reeks of Salmond - SNP are fucked if he agrees to it and fucked if they don't.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 26, 2024 15:34:38 GMT
Ash Regan - the MSP who could decide the future of Humza Yousaf - has appeared to name her price for her support in next week's no-confidence vote.
She has said, in a letter to Alba Party members, that investment in the Grangemouth refinery will be a key condition of her backing the first minister.
The refinery is currently due to shut as early as next year and move to being an import and export terminal.
Alba has launched a a campaign to sustain jobs at the refinery.
"A sign of good faith would be a significant government investment, reinforcing the campaign to save the Grangemouth refinery from closure," she says in her letter.
That reeks of Salmond - SNP are fucked if he agrees to it and fucked if they don't. Why's that mate?
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Post by noustie on Apr 26, 2024 16:30:04 GMT
Ash Regan - the MSP who could decide the future of Humza Yousaf - has appeared to name her price for her support in next week's no-confidence vote.
She has said, in a letter to Alba Party members, that investment in the Grangemouth refinery will be a key condition of her backing the first minister.
The refinery is currently due to shut as early as next year and move to being an import and export terminal.
Alba has launched a a campaign to sustain jobs at the refinery.
"A sign of good faith would be a significant government investment, reinforcing the campaign to save the Grangemouth refinery from closure," she says in her letter.
That reeks of Salmond - SNP are fucked if he agrees to it and fucked if they don't. Why's that mate? Positioned them into a corner I reckon mate. Basically if he says 'no' then Alba look more interested in the O&G industry than they do and potentially lose the vote of no-confidence. If he says 'yes' then he looks weak and when he inevitably doesn't deliver Alba call another vote of 'no confidence'. Even if by some miracle he says 'yes' and manages to keep Grangemouth going it'll be a stick Alba, along with everyone else, can hit the SNP with for years to come. For me Salmond is many things but he's no fool - if his one MSP holds the balance of power in this he simply isn't going to bend over and give Labour a hand.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 26, 2024 16:41:28 GMT
Positioned them into a corner I reckon mate. Basically if he says 'no' then Alba look more interested in the O&G industry than they do and potentially lose the vote of no-confidence. If he says 'yes' then he looks weak and when he inevitably doesn't deliver Alba call another vote of 'no confidence'. Even if by some miracle he says 'yes' and manages to keep Grangemouth going it'll be a stick Alba, along with everyone else, can hit the SNP with for years to come. For me Salmond is many things but he's no fool - if his one MSP holds the balance of power in this he simply isn't going to bend over and give Labour a hand. Do you reckon it makes any difference whether it's the vote of no confidence on the FM or on the government? I imagine the running order of votes is FM first (Tory), Govt 2nd (Labour). So whichever way 1 goes 2 must surely follow?
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Apr 26, 2024 16:43:17 GMT
My overly simplistic approach is to grant independence to Scotland, Wales and anyone else that wants it.
No right or wrong answer and there's lots of trade offs to either but that's my thought.
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Post by noustie on Apr 29, 2024 8:28:17 GMT
Positioned them into a corner I reckon mate. Basically if he says 'no' then Alba look more interested in the O&G industry than they do and potentially lose the vote of no-confidence. If he says 'yes' then he looks weak and when he inevitably doesn't deliver Alba call another vote of 'no confidence'. Even if by some miracle he says 'yes' and manages to keep Grangemouth going it'll be a stick Alba, along with everyone else, can hit the SNP with for years to come. For me Salmond is many things but he's no fool - if his one MSP holds the balance of power in this he simply isn't going to bend over and give Labour a hand. Do you reckon it makes any difference whether it's the vote of no confidence on the FM or on the government? I imagine the running order of votes is FM first (Tory), Govt 2nd (Labour). So whichever way 1 goes 2 must surely follow? I genuinely thought he'd try to limp on then the Labour motion would bring down the Scottish Government thereafter. Potentially looks like the Greens will do a deal in the background and pretend it was all Humza's fault despite there being no u-turn on net zero u-turn. WWE has more credibility than politics these days. The problem is there isn't a unity candidate to replace him and the lettuce will win the race again vs whatever stooge replaces him. The Greens are scrapping internally to apparently as there's obviously some of them not wanting to go back in coalition as nowt apart from Humza will have changed.
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Post by noustie on Apr 29, 2024 9:47:39 GMT
Fucking hell fire never thought I'd be in a position where I hope Labour and/or the Tories call a vote of no confidence in the Scottish Government but that's where we are. This is looking like Humza will be pushed; the Greens will come back onboard which is massively unpopular and akin to the SNP shooting themselves in both feet and; creepy Patrick Harvie and his band of weirdo mentalists will have the SG by the bollocks until the next election.
Lorna Slater who got 1800 votes from a possible 80k, finishing 5th even behind the Lib Dems, will be one of the most powerful people in SG again!!!!
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 29, 2024 10:13:47 GMT
Ash Regan - the MSP who could decide the future of Humza Yousaf - has appeared to name her price for her support in next week's no-confidence vote.
She has said, in a letter to Alba Party members, that investment in the Grangemouth refinery will be a key condition of her backing the first minister.
The refinery is currently due to shut as early as next year and move to being an import and export terminal.
Alba has launched a a campaign to sustain jobs at the refinery.
"A sign of good faith would be a significant government investment, reinforcing the campaign to save the Grangemouth refinery from closure," she says in her letter.
That reeks of Salmond - SNP are fucked if he agrees to it and fucked if they don't. It’s bollocks, isn’t it? If she believes on a moral standpoint that what he had done was wrong enough to go, she should vote no. Otherwise, she shouldn’t. Politics is a very dirty word.
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 29, 2024 10:23:53 GMT
Fucking hell fire never thought I'd be in a position where I hope Labour and/or the Tories call a vote of no confidence in the Scottish Government but that's where we are. This is looking like Humza will be pushed; the Greens will come back onboard which is massively unpopular and akin to the SNP shooting themselves in both feet and; creepy Patrick Harvie and his band of weirdo mentalists will have the SG by the bollocks until the next election. Lorna Slater who got 1800 votes from a possible 80k, finishing 5th even behind the Lib Dems, will be one of the most powerful people in SG again!!!! And people on here keep telling me that PR is the way forward
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Post by felonious on Apr 29, 2024 12:06:47 GMT
If Labour are smart they'd do it because then it would put every other party on the back foot. Are the Greens still in the huff? Would the tories show some bollocks to back it? Would Ash Reagan (Alba) vote with Labour? and frankly who gives a flying fuck what the Lib Dems would do anyway. Oggy
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Post by flea79 on Apr 29, 2024 12:21:48 GMT
Please rename the thread "this SNP government is incompetent and a shambles"
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Post by salopstick on Apr 29, 2024 12:42:08 GMT
this country has come along way in the last 30 years.
im sick of him going on about white privilige.
Yousaf got emotional in the speech's final stages, saying it had been an "honour" to lead his country and that when he was a boy, "people [who] looked like me were not in positions of political influence"
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Post by noustie on Apr 29, 2024 13:15:19 GMT
this country has come along way in the last 30 years. im sick of him going on about white privilige. Yousaf got emotional in the speech's final stages, saying it had been an "honour" to lead his country and that when he was a boy, "people [who] looked like me were not in positions of political influence" It was absolute bollocks and all because if we're working on a quota system then we were over-stacked with Indian/ Pakistani representation. If we're working on a quota too then c.10% of MSPs should be English.
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Post by felonious on Apr 29, 2024 13:21:07 GMT
this country has come along way in the last 30 years. im sick of him going on about white privilige. Yousaf got emotional in the speech's final stages, saying it had been an "honour" to lead his country and that when he was a boy, "people [who] looked like me were not in positions of political influence" It was absolute bollocks and all because if we're working on a quota system then we were over-stacked with Indian/ Pakistani representation. If we're working on a quota too then c.10% of MSPs should be English. At least you'd then have someone to blame
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 29, 2024 14:03:51 GMT
Where does this leave the Labour vote of no confidence in the SG?
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Post by Northy on Apr 29, 2024 14:11:18 GMT
this country has come along way in the last 30 years. im sick of him going on about white privilige. Yousaf got emotional in the speech's final stages, saying it had been an "honour" to lead his country and that when he was a boy, "people [who] looked like me were not in positions of political influence" It was absolute bollocks and all because if we're working on a quota system then we were over-stacked with Indian/ Pakistani representation. If we're working on a quota too then c.10% of MSPs should be English. His speech a couple of years ago about everyone in the top positions being white was really mind boggling considering the demographics of the Scottish population, you should have about 5% drug addicts in Parliament going on his theory
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 29, 2024 14:17:36 GMT
It was absolute bollocks and all because if we're working on a quota system then we were over-stacked with Indian/ Pakistani representation. If we're working on a quota too then c.10% of MSPs should be English. His speech a couple of years ago about everyone in the top positions being white was really mind boggling considering the demographics of the Scottish population, you should have about 5% drug addicts in Parliament going on his theory Next Scottish First Minister………..White.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 29, 2024 15:47:56 GMT
Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar said he would wait to see how the week "plays out" but that the "principle" of his party's no confidence motion in the government "still stands".
However, BBC News understands that the Greens, who have seven seats, will not support either of the no-confidence motions following Mr Yousaf's statement.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 29, 2024 20:18:05 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 29, 2024 20:20:39 GMT
See my post above. I’m stunned it hasn’t got more “likes” or indeed “whites”
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 29, 2024 20:22:46 GMT
I think this speech was the beginning of the end for him. It’s racist plain and simple. And there are some people on here that would defend it. The mind boggles
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 29, 2024 20:23:44 GMT
I think this speech was the beginning of the end for him. It’s racist plain and simple. And there are some people on here that would defend it. The mind boggles I’m sure the high horse brigade will be along soon
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 29, 2024 20:24:45 GMT
I think this speech was the beginning of the end for him. It’s racist plain and simple. And there are some people on here that would defend it. The mind boggles I’m sure the high horse brigade will be along soon I can hear the bugles in the distance
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 29, 2024 20:26:47 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 29, 2024 20:29:44 GMT
At least he’s fucked off, I’ll give him credit for that but he was a danger to society. Thankfully consigned to the tartan shitbin
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Post by Gods on Apr 29, 2024 21:15:08 GMT
When I really think about it the SNP are a bunch of nationalists, the sort of folk who sing 'Flower of Scotland ' each night before they go to bed. If they were English they'd be Reform or even the EDL.
A Pakistani bloke with a Palestinian wife was never going to cut it as leader.
And that's before he started meddling unhelpfully in gender equality issues. Pissing off the Green Party was just the last straw.
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