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Post by werrington on Mar 6, 2023 13:03:03 GMT
It’s always best to hold fire before lashing out and condemning people whilst sympathising with others
There’s nothing been released about the events and the deceased could well of been as guilty as those Burnley fans but he sadly got the wrong end of the stick
Either way RIP
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Post by jm on Mar 6, 2023 13:14:08 GMT
Burnley should be looking at a points deduction for their disgraceful behaviour at Blackpool - much worse than a FFP breach and without some deterent fan behaviour will continue to get worse School tomorrow! Get yourself in bed I've got children that are probably older than you!
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 6, 2023 13:16:18 GMT
In this case, social media is just an excuse. This has happened in England long before social media. It’s driven by sad men with small dicks, too much to drink and too little self worth. It's not so much the drink it's the shit they shove up their noses all day. From what I witness it makes a 16/17 year old think they as hard as fuck ( in numbers ). Put them in a room with a 50/ 60 year old supporter from way back ( who doesn't need drugs) and they would shit themselves. Plenty of the “old guard” were on gear. They also drank a tonne. This glorification of those days needs to stop. I’ve known a lot of individual guys from the “naughty 40”, some are decent people, some are pieces of crap. They all have bloated stories of valor and “testing yourself”. If they really wanted to test themselves, they’d train for it and get in a ring. Instead, they wanted to start drinking at breakfast, get hammered by lunch, find a small group of people to pick on and “test themselves” versus someone they were sure they’d beat up. Looking back on those times, how many amazing feats of strength did you see where a 140lb man would go up to an enraged 240lb juggernaut with a bat in his hand to “test themselves”. It’s all crap. www.vice.com/en/article/zmaq3a/inside-football-hooliganisms-hidden-crack-and-heroin-problemOh look, stories about the heroic hooligans of the past.
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Post by jm on Mar 6, 2023 13:19:02 GMT
I just think clubs can do more to influence the behaviour of 'supporters'. Until it has repercussions for clubs on the pitch then some will carry on ignoring the problem.
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Post by shrewspotter on Mar 6, 2023 13:28:40 GMT
It's not so much the drink it's the shit they shove up their noses all day. From what I witness it makes a 16/17 year old think they as hard as fuck ( in numbers ). Put them in a room with a 50/ 60 year old supporter from way back ( who doesn't need drugs) and they would shit themselves. Plenty of the “old guard” were on gear. They also drank a tonne. This glorification of those days needs to stop. I’ve known a lot of individual guys from the “naughty 40”, some are decent people, some are pieces of crap. They all have bloated stories of valor and “testing yourself”. If they really wanted to test themselves, they’d train for it and get in a ring. Instead, they wanted to start drinking at breakfast, get hammered by lunch, find a small group of people to pick on and “test themselves” versus someone they were sure they’d beat up. Looking back on those times, how many amazing feats of strength did you see where a 140lb man would go up to an enraged 240lb juggernaut with a bat in his hand to “test themselves”. It’s all crap. www.vice.com/en/article/zmaq3a/inside-football-hooliganisms-hidden-crack-and-heroin-problemOh look, stories about the heroic hooligans of the past. The point I was making was some of these social media posts from various Instagram (and other sites) seem to portray football violance in a gloryfied manner It might be an excuse but its there for young men or even young lads to view, watch and get hooked in At our away days the concourse can get rammed with lads shouting and singing and where i have no issue with that wen they start throwing pyros, chucking beer, hitting others it takes it over the line Social media has a lot to answer for if you ask me, not just football but in society as a whole, and while the likes of Zuckerberg get very rich they should be doing more to make sure that dangerous content is not viewed.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Mar 6, 2023 13:53:54 GMT
Plenty of the “old guard” were on gear. They also drank a tonne. This glorification of those days needs to stop. I’ve known a lot of individual guys from the “naughty 40”, some are decent people, some are pieces of crap. They all have bloated stories of valor and “testing yourself”. If they really wanted to test themselves, they’d train for it and get in a ring. Instead, they wanted to start drinking at breakfast, get hammered by lunch, find a small group of people to pick on and “test themselves” versus someone they were sure they’d beat up. Looking back on those times, how many amazing feats of strength did you see where a 140lb man would go up to an enraged 240lb juggernaut with a bat in his hand to “test themselves”. It’s all crap. www.vice.com/en/article/zmaq3a/inside-football-hooliganisms-hidden-crack-and-heroin-problemOh look, stories about the heroic hooligans of the past. The point I was making was some of these social media posts from various Instagram (and other sites) seem to portray football violance in a gloryfied manner It might be an excuse but its there for young men or even young lads to view, watch and get hooked in At our away days the concourse can get rammed with lads shouting and singing and where i have no issue with that wen they start throwing pyros, chucking beer, hitting others it takes it over the line Social media has a lot to answer for if you ask me, not just football but in society as a whole, and while the likes of Zuckerberg get very rich they should be doing more to make sure that dangerous content is not viewed. Youre portraying that sport related disorder is worse than it's ever been though and blaming social media for it. The problem is sport related disorder is minimal compared to what it used to be. Social media has a lot to answer for..... hooliganism isnt one of them.
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Post by flea79 on Mar 6, 2023 13:55:41 GMT
School tomorrow! Get yourself in bed I've got children that are probably older than you! fine get your horlicks on and let nurse tuck you up
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Post by LGH87 on Mar 6, 2023 14:29:50 GMT
It’s always best to hold fire before lashing out and condemning people whilst sympathising with others There’s nothing been released about the events and the deceased could well of been as guilty as those Burnley fans but he sadly got the wrong end of the stick Either way RIP I've seen the video and he was giving as good as he got, unfortunately he takes a hit that puts him down and it seems like he whacks the back of his head on the floor as he hits the deck. Poor sod. RIP.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 6, 2023 14:39:54 GMT
It's not so much the drink it's the shit they shove up their noses all day. From what I witness it makes a 16/17 year old think they as hard as fuck ( in numbers ). Put them in a room with a 50/ 60 year old supporter from way back ( who doesn't need drugs) and they would shit themselves. Plenty of the “old guard” were on gear. They also drank a tonne. This glorification of those days needs to stop. I’ve known a lot of individual guys from the “naughty 40”, some are decent people, some are pieces of crap. They all have bloated stories of valor and “testing yourself”. If they really wanted to test themselves, they’d train for it and get in a ring. Instead, they wanted to start drinking at breakfast, get hammered by lunch, find a small group of people to pick on and “test themselves” versus someone they were sure they’d beat up. Looking back on those times, how many amazing feats of strength did you see where a 140lb man would go up to an enraged 240lb juggernaut with a bat in his hand to “test themselves”. It’s all crap. www.vice.com/en/article/zmaq3a/inside-football-hooliganisms-hidden-crack-and-heroin-problemOh look, stories about the heroic hooligans of the past. Interesting articles is that cheers........
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 6, 2023 14:42:18 GMT
It’s always best to hold fire before lashing out and condemning people whilst sympathising with others There’s nothing been released about the events and the deceased could well of been as guilty as those Burnley fans but he sadly got the wrong end of the stick Either way RIP I've seen the video and he was giving as good as he got, unfortunately he takes a hit that puts him down and it seems like he whacks the back of his head on the floor as he hits the deck. Poor sod. RIP. That's often the case. It's not the punch that kills it's the uncontrolled fall backwards having been punched and the smacking the head on the ground that does the damage. I've known of several lads died that way unfortunately, and in some ways just as unfortunate for the lad doing the punching. Many, many lives ruined for what both parties might have thought was a bit of 'Saturday afternoon fun'.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 6, 2023 14:50:15 GMT
I've seen the video and he was giving as good as he got, unfortunately he takes a hit that puts him down and it seems like he whacks the back of his head on the floor as he hits the deck. Poor sod. RIP. That's often the case. It's not the punch that kills it's the uncontrolled fall backwards having been punched and the smacking the head on the ground that does the damage. I've known of several lads died that way unfortunately, and in some ways just as unfortunate for the lad doing the punching. Many, many lives ruined for what both parties might have thought was a bit of 'Saturday afternoon fun'. Exactly my point when the lad got punched at Chelsea to much amusement. It's.imcredibky dangerous on hard surfaces with no.protection and just such a uncessary tragedy . RIP and condolences to the family amd friends
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Post by cheadlepotter on Mar 6, 2023 15:52:08 GMT
I just think clubs can do more to influence the behaviour of 'supporters'. Until it has repercussions for clubs on the pitch then some will carry on ignoring the problem. It’s a societal problem. Points deductions for clubs could lead to rival fans causing trouble at the other team’s ground, in their end, to get them to lose points.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 6, 2023 16:24:05 GMT
Somebody in the Burnley area is going to be shaking like a shitting dog today.
Best thing he can do is hand himself in as you'd assume a flashpoint pub like The Manchester would be well covered by CCTV
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Post by withnall on Mar 6, 2023 16:25:52 GMT
The bloke that did it is out on bail.
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Post by shrewspotter on Mar 6, 2023 16:26:05 GMT
The point I was making was some of these social media posts from various Instagram (and other sites) seem to portray football violance in a gloryfied manner It might be an excuse but its there for young men or even young lads to view, watch and get hooked in At our away days the concourse can get rammed with lads shouting and singing and where i have no issue with that wen they start throwing pyros, chucking beer, hitting others it takes it over the line Social media has a lot to answer for if you ask me, not just football but in society as a whole, and while the likes of Zuckerberg get very rich they should be doing more to make sure that dangerous content is not viewed. Youre portraying that sport related disorder is worse than it's ever been though and blaming social media for it. The problem is sport related disorder is minimal compared to what it used to be. Social media has a lot to answer for..... hooliganism isnt one of them. I'm not portraying it as if its worse then ever, I lived through the 80s when it was rough and I know its nowhere near as bad as that now Dont agree with you on the social media isn't helping fuel hooliganism though.
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Post by werrington on Mar 6, 2023 16:28:15 GMT
Somebody in the Burnley area is going to be shaking like a shitting dog today. Best thing he can do is hand himself in as you'd assume a flashpoint pub like The Manchester would be well covered by CCTV He’s already been arrested and released on bail
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Mar 6, 2023 17:12:24 GMT
Absolute stupidity.
I've stayed away from the story as this type of thing is usually awash with nonsense but a family with a lost loved one and someone/people up on a manslaughter charge, all for nothing. Awful.
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Post by werrington on Mar 6, 2023 17:16:07 GMT
It’s always best to hold fire before lashing out and condemning people whilst sympathising with others There’s nothing been released about the events and the deceased could well of been as guilty as those Burnley fans but he sadly got the wrong end of the stick Either way RIP I've seen the video and he was giving as good as he got, unfortunately he takes a hit that puts him down and it seems like he whacks the back of his head on the floor as he hits the deck. Poor sod. RIP. Just seen it myself It’s probably best not to overly slaughter the Burnley fan as that’s an away pub and word is Blackpool went seeking them out All in all a tragedy
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Post by milton58 on Mar 6, 2023 17:17:54 GMT
Could have happened anywhere just because it's at a football match...it's having alot of airtime some poor bugger probably got a clump over the weekend and as probably had the same outcome Not saying it right but unfortunately it's part of life... .
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 6, 2023 17:27:13 GMT
I've seen the video and he was giving as good as he got, unfortunately he takes a hit that puts him down and it seems like he whacks the back of his head on the floor as he hits the deck. Poor sod. RIP. Just seen it myself It’s probably best not to overly slaughter the Burnley fan as that’s an away pub and word is Blackpool went seeking them out All in all a tragedy A bit like they did with us a couple of years ago on that night match we won 1-0? They were hunting us down in packs if I remember right. I managed to keep away from it but I know a few who didn't and had a bit of a tatering that night. Could easily have been one of ours on one end or the other of this tragedy. A nasty lot both Blackpool and Burnley but it's not often that anyone thinks their stupid actions will have such tragic consequences.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 6, 2023 17:32:19 GMT
This is tragic.
Just imagine telling the wife that you are going out for a few hours to watch football and then never seeing her again.
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Post by biglad180 on Mar 6, 2023 18:16:09 GMT
I've seen the video and he was giving as good as he got, unfortunately he takes a hit that puts him down and it seems like he whacks the back of his head on the floor as he hits the deck. Poor sod. RIP. Just seen it myself It’s probably best not to overly slaughter the Burnley fan as that’s an away pub and word is Blackpool went seeking them out All in all a tragedy where have you seen the video
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Post by shrewspotter on Mar 6, 2023 18:17:50 GMT
Just seen it myself It’s probably best not to overly slaughter the Burnley fan as that’s an away pub and word is Blackpool went seeking them out All in all a tragedy where have you seen the video ive seen it on twitter To be fair to Burnley it looks like they were set upon
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Mar 6, 2023 18:59:37 GMT
Will be hard to convict him having seen the video? Either way such a trivial loss of life.
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Post by milton58 on Mar 6, 2023 19:30:36 GMT
Blackpool taking it to Burnley at 7 at night who's to blame
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Post by onepara on Mar 6, 2023 19:58:03 GMT
If these 'hard men' want to test themselves, they should do the Parachute Regiment 'P' course.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Mar 6, 2023 23:10:37 GMT
I've seen the video and he was giving as good as he got, unfortunately he takes a hit that puts him down and it seems like he whacks the back of his head on the floor as he hits the deck. Poor sod. RIP. Just seen it myself It’s probably best not to overly slaughter the Burnley fan as that’s an away pub and word is Blackpool went seeking them out All in all a tragedy Just watched it. Some suggestion Blackpool were tooled up. There's are some odd arm movements that seem more like jabs than punches so maybe true. There's got to be 30 or 40 lads all looking at jail time if they are found. Only a matter of time before they are to be fair. Massive waste of a the deceaseds life and everyone else's
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 7, 2023 8:06:43 GMT
I've seen the video and he was giving as good as he got, unfortunately he takes a hit that puts him down and it seems like he whacks the back of his head on the floor as he hits the deck. Poor sod. RIP. Just seen it myself It’s probably best not to overly slaughter the Burnley fan as that’s an away pub and word is Blackpool went seeking them out All in all a tragedy If this is true Wezza, it's difficult to understand why a 55 yr old grandad would think it's ok to go looking for a scrap for nothing more than a bit of rivalry with another club. I’ve not seen the video but as LGH87 has said earlier he was giving as good as he got so it doesn't sound like he was an innocent bystander having a quiet post match pint and got caught up in the violence. Anyway regardless of this RIP to a lifelong footie fan nobody should end their lives like this and, once again, it brings shame on the footballing community.
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Post by wilcopotter on Mar 7, 2023 8:28:15 GMT
I've seen the video and he was giving as good as he got, unfortunately he takes a hit that puts him down and it seems like he whacks the back of his head on the floor as he hits the deck. Poor sod. RIP. Just seen it myself It’s probably best not to overly slaughter the Burnley fan as that’s an away pub and word is Blackpool went seeking them out All in all a tragedy Tragic for the chap and his family. However, If this is true,what’s a 55 year old grandad doing “seeking people out”. The mind boggles. Life lost and lives ruined, absolutely tragic.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 15, 2023 19:17:52 GMT
Can imagine the headlines if this was English fans
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