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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 20, 2023 20:35:31 GMT
It’s like those controlling governments who make it law to wear a seatbelt, or who criminalise drink driving, or who won’t let you donate blood just because you are HIV positive! All for public health! It’s like being ruled by Nazis, or Pol Pot! What a load of nonsense Wearing a seat belt is scientifically proven to safe lives. The science on the jab changes by the day but one thing that’s proven is that it doesn’t stop transmission I guess it was a coincidence that across the globe, those admitted to intensive care were almost all unvaccinated.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 20, 2023 20:44:55 GMT
What a load of nonsense Wearing a seat belt is scientifically proven to safe lives. The science on the jab changes by the day but one thing that’s proven is that it doesn’t stop transmission I guess it was a coincidence that across the globe, those admitted to intensive care were almost all unvaccinated. Where on earth did you get that stat? 😂
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 20, 2023 21:15:18 GMT
What a load of nonsense Wearing a seat belt is scientifically proven to safe lives. The science on the jab changes by the day but one thing that’s proven is that it doesn’t stop transmission I guess it was a coincidence that across the globe, those admitted to intensive care were almost all unvaccinated. Again maybe you should do some research. Please post a link to this empirical evidence
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 20, 2023 21:17:54 GMT
She’s a fucking loon who should be behind bars
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Post by wannabee on Jan 20, 2023 21:22:30 GMT
Can't believe I'm still having to say this after all this time. 215,641 people have not died from covid. Totally manipulated figures. Only this week the CNN resident Doctor came out and said the death figures with Covid were wrong and needed reclassification Remember the lad shot dead in NZ and his autopsy showed he had covid at the time of death and was therefore classified as a covid death 🥹More Fake News Terry I'm afraid In New Zealand there were two lists compiled by the Ministry of Heath 1. People who died where the official cause is Covid-19. 2. People who have died while infected with Covid-19 and do not yet have an official cause of death. As the unfortunate Robert Hart was shot dead in his driveway this required a Coronor to officially confirm his cause of death and he was TEMPORARILY placed on list 2 "under investigation" until the Coronor correctly confirmed his death "From Gunshot Woulds" Cool story though To answer your other question how do you know she's not retiring due to Burnout For me there's some Politicians I believe others I don't simply because their lips are moving
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 20, 2023 21:28:29 GMT
Only this week the CNN resident Doctor came out and said the death figures with Covid were wrong and needed reclassification Remember the lad shot dead in NZ and his autopsy showed he had covid at the time of death and was therefore classified as a covid death 🥹More Fake News Terry I'm afraid In New Zealand there were two lists compiled by the Ministry of Heath 1. People who died where the official cause is Covid-19. 2. People who have died while infected with Covid-19 and do not yet have an official cause of death. As the unfortunate Robert Hart was shot dead in his driveway this required a Coronor to officially confirm his cause of death and he was TEMPORARILY placed on list 2 "under investigation" until the Coronor correctly confirmed his death "From Gunshot Woulds" Cool story though To answer your other question how do you know she's not retiring due to Burnout For me there's some Politicians I believe others I don't simply because their lips are moving I don’t think you are correct, my brother lives in NZ and I remember watching their news and the response to a hosts question was that as per WHO guidelines he had to go down as a covid death. I’ll try and dig out “the cool story” I suppose Leana Wen stating that covid deaths were being overstated in the US is another cool story? So as to the reason as to why she’s retiring; you don’t actually know.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 20, 2023 21:38:19 GMT
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jan 20, 2023 21:41:10 GMT
A WEF 'leader of the future', full blown authoritarian, loved by BigPharma, BigMoney & every establishment figure & their MSM mouthpieces you could find across the globe... Hated by the common, working class folk but who gives a fuck about them... Of course she's loved by your typical modern day left-winger, they know who their masters are, and they show their utter distain for 'the Plebs' every chance they get.
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Post by generationex on Jan 20, 2023 21:42:14 GMT
The hard right/conspiracy nutters can’t stand her.
We won’t see any of that in Stoke-on-Trent I’m sure.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 20, 2023 21:45:44 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 20, 2023 22:17:17 GMT
You have just proved my point with your own link (which you clearly haven’t read!) Over 90% have had a vaccine yet only 65% of hospitalised patients have had a vaccine according to your article. I said in intensive care or died though. Your article doesn’t comment on that, but it does say: “ Research shows that the vaccines remain highly effective in preventing hospitalisation with Covid.” and “ The vaccines substantially, but not perfectly, protect these people from severe illness. As a result, some still become ill enough to need treatment in hospital. And this small share of a large population is now enough to make up a majority of hospital admissions.”
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 20, 2023 22:33:55 GMT
You have just proved my point with your own link (which you clearly haven’t read!) Over 90% have had a vaccine yet only 65% of hospitalised patients have had a vaccine according to your article. I said in intensive care or died though. Your article doesn’t comment on that, but it does say: “ Research shows that the vaccines remain highly effective in preventing hospitalisation with Covid.” and “ The vaccines substantially, but not perfectly, protect these people from severe illness. As a result, some still become ill enough to need treatment in hospital. And this small share of a large population is now enough to make up a majority of hospital admissions.” Nope I read every article I post as carefully as I can. I will agree you mentioned ICU & death while I referenced hospitalisations where the fact checker in this instance refuted previous “facts” presented for hospitalisations I was going to post a recent data set from NSW Australia which clearly shows the vast majority of patients in ICU with covid are vaccinated but I’m still researching it. Edit: CLAIM: Public health data from Australia shows people vaccinated against COVID-19 are more likely to end up in a hospital ICU with the virus than those who are unvaccinated. AP’S ASSESSMENT: Missing context. While data does show higher admission rates among those with more vaccine doses, public health officials and virus experts say that doesn’t prove that receiving the shot itself makes you more likely to be hospitalized. This from another fact checker. So definitely more vaccinated than unvaccinated admitted to ICU. So factually there are more vaccinated in ICU than unvaccinated However it’s complicated and requires more research.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 20, 2023 22:43:30 GMT
You have just proved my point with your own link (which you clearly haven’t read!) Over 90% have had a vaccine yet only 65% of hospitalised patients have had a vaccine according to your article. I said in intensive care or died though. Your article doesn’t comment on that, but it does say: “ Research shows that the vaccines remain highly effective in preventing hospitalisation with Covid.” and “ The vaccines substantially, but not perfectly, protect these people from severe illness. As a result, some still become ill enough to need treatment in hospital. And this small share of a large population is now enough to make up a majority of hospital admissions.” Nope I read every article I post as carefully as I can. I will agree you mentioned ICU & death while I referenced hospitalisations where the fact checker in this instance refuted previous “facts” presented for hospitalisations I was going to post a recent data set from NSW Australia which clearly shows the vast majority of patients in ICU with covid are vaccinated but I’m still researching it. Your article tells us vaccines prevent serious illness. Ardern was right to push vaccination, as were the other world leaders who did the same.
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Post by wannabee on Jan 20, 2023 22:46:24 GMT
More Fake News Terry I'm afraid In New Zealand there were two lists compiled by the Ministry of Heath 1. People who died where the official cause is Covid-19. 2. People who have died while infected with Covid-19 and do not yet have an official cause of death. As the unfortunate Robert Hart was shot dead in his driveway this required a Coronor to officially confirm his cause of death and he was TEMPORARILY placed on list 2 "under investigation" until the Coronor correctly confirmed his death "From Gunshot Woulds" Cool story though To answer your other question how do you know she's not retiring due to Burnout For me there's some Politicians I believe others I don't simply because their lips are moving I don’t think you are correct, my brother lives in NZ and I remember watching their news and the response to a hosts question was that as per WHO guidelines he had to go down as a covid death. I’ll try and dig out “the cool story” I suppose Leana Wen stating that covid deaths were being overstated in the US is another cool story? I agree with pretty much everything Dr Wen says in this Article which is her clarification of her previous Article you referenced which was criticised from The Right, The Left and possibly The Centre. Do you agree with her? www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/01/19/covid-pandemic-deaths-hospitalizations-honest-accounting/So as to the reason as to why she’s retiring; you don’t actually know. And nor do you, how could either of us know for sure her true motives?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 20, 2023 22:47:20 GMT
Nope I read every article I post as carefully as I can. I will agree you mentioned ICU & death while I referenced hospitalisations where the fact checker in this instance refuted previous “facts” presented for hospitalisations I was going to post a recent data set from NSW Australia which clearly shows the vast majority of patients in ICU with covid are vaccinated but I’m still researching it. Your article tells us vaccines prevent serious illness. Ardern was right to push vaccination, as were the other world leaders who did the same. You cannot say that for a fact. You may be correct (I don’t agree at all) but the drip drip news of more and more side effects from the vax may make that push a very dangerous thing Vaccinating kids is also seriously dubious/concerning for me, what are your thoughts on that
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 20, 2023 22:56:16 GMT
I don’t think you are correct, my brother lives in NZ and I remember watching their news and the response to a hosts question was that as per WHO guidelines he had to go down as a covid death. I’ll try and dig out “the cool story” I suppose Leana Wen stating that covid deaths were being overstated in the US is another cool story? I agree with pretty much everything Dr Wen says in this Article which is her clarification of her previous Article you referenced which was criticised from The Right, The Left and possibly The Centre. Do you agree with her? www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/01/19/covid-pandemic-deaths-hospitalizations-honest-accounting/So as to the reason as to why she’s retiring; you don’t actually know. And nor do you, how could either of us know for sure her true motives?I believe that that’s the way it should have been done from the start and it might have ensued a much healthier, holistic and beneficial discourse. Re Ardern: correct so she could equally have hung up her hat because she was resigned to losing power or something else Her comments on the unvaccinated being second class citizens was despicable and told me all I needed to know about her mindset
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 20, 2023 23:03:19 GMT
Your article tells us vaccines prevent serious illness. Ardern was right to push vaccination, as were the other world leaders who did the same. You cannot say that for a fact. You may be correct (I don’t agree at all) but the drip drip news of more and more side effects from the vax may make that push a very dangerous thing Vaccinating kids is also seriously dubious/concerning for me, what are your thoughts on that I haven’t given my kids a covid vaccine. I would appalled if my 74 year old father wasn’t fully vaccinated.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 20, 2023 23:12:01 GMT
You cannot say that for a fact. You may be correct (I don’t agree at all) but the drip drip news of more and more side effects from the vax may make that push a very dangerous thing Vaccinating kids is also seriously dubious/concerning for me, what are your thoughts on that I haven’t given my kids a covid vaccine. I would appalled if my 74 year old father wasn’t fully vaccinated. I would tend to agree with you on both counts but isn’t/wasn’t Ardern pushing the vaccine on kids?
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 20, 2023 23:23:31 GMT
I haven’t given my kids a covid vaccine. I would appalled if my 74 year old father wasn’t fully vaccinated. I would tend to agree with you on both counts but isn’t/wasn’t Ardern pushing the vaccine on kids? I have no idea
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 20, 2023 23:26:32 GMT
I would tend to agree with you on both counts but isn’t/wasn’t Ardern pushing the vaccine on kids? I have no idea Just checked it, and yes she/they are. So they are recommending a vaccine for kids that are statistically extremely unlikely to be hospitalised from Covid with a vaccine that has unanswered questions regarding risks in that cohort. So is she right to push a vax on kids from the age of 6 up? Edit: correction, for kids from the age of 5 and up
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 20, 2023 23:35:52 GMT
Just checked it, and yes she/they are. So they are recommending a vaccine for kids that are statistically extremely unlikely to be hospitalised from Covid with a vaccine that has unanswered questions regarding risks in that cohort. So is she right to push a vax on kids from the age of 6 up? Edit: correction, for kids from the age of 5 and up I don’t know. But they do the same here. I was written to by the nhs recommending I get my 6 year old vaccinated against covid. What I do know is every adult should be fully vaccinated. Long covid is devastating for several people I know who are under 40. And the older you get, the more likely you get very ill. Regardless, Ardern has been an excellent leader for New Zealand during covid, when the toughest choices had to be made with limited info for those making the choices. Unlike Boris Johnson, she actually got the big calls right.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 20, 2023 23:53:03 GMT
Just checked it, and yes she/they are. So they are recommending a vaccine for kids that are statistically extremely unlikely to be hospitalised from Covid with a vaccine that has unanswered questions regarding risks in that cohort. So is she right to push a vax on kids from the age of 6 up? Edit: correction, for kids from the age of 5 and up I don’t know. But they do the same here. I was written to by the nhs recommending I get my 6 year old vaccinated against covid. What I do know is every adult should be fully vaccinated. Long covid is devastating for several people I know who are under 40. And the older you get, the more likely you get very ill. Regardless, Ardern has been an excellent leader for New Zealand during covid, when the toughest choices had to be made with limited info for those making the choices. Unlike Boris Johnson, she actually got the big calls right. I thought she was terrible. Decades high inflation and an economy in the tank. Horribly arrogant, smug and authoritarian “we [the government] are the single source of truth”. Divisive, paraphrasing “the unvaccinated are second class citizens” Destroying lives while trying to follow the most ridiculous zero covid policy. Suppressing press freedom and peaceful protest. Not for me, horrible person and good riddance
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Post by wannabee on Jan 21, 2023 0:14:12 GMT
I believe that that’s the way it should have been done from the start and it might have ensued a much healthier, holistic and beneficial discourse. You must also agree then when she says the following? Or are you kinda a la carte on her words
At the beginning of the pandemic, many people — including a lot of young and otherwise healthy individuals — became very ill from covid pneumonia. Testing was limited, and it’s likely many deaths weren’t attributed to covid that should have been.
And this
This is almost certainly the case in other parts the world, such as Eastern Europe, where the official death counts from covid were probably much lower than the actual mortality from the disease. In the United States, there were probably quite a few missed covid cases early on, so even if some deaths were improperly attributed to covid, they were still likely undercounted in 2020 and much of 2021.
Re Ardern: correct so she could equally have hung up her hat because she was resigned to losing power or something else Who knows and I'm sure you'll agree career choice is on the same level as an individuals choice to be vaccinated or not and people shouldn't be harangued or criticised for their choices
Her comments on the unvaccinated being second class citizens was despicable and told me all I needed to know about her mindset There's a whole World of difference in describing the Vaccine Passport System operated by many Countries including New Zealand and UK as a Two Tier System and describing is as second class citizens. I have already addressed this question on this thread and have nothing more to add
These are the actual words she used
www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/new-zealand-jacinda-ardern-coronavirus-vaccines-ve5572e26%3famp
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 21, 2023 0:20:30 GMT
I believe that that’s the way it should have been done from the start and it might have ensued a much healthier, holistic and beneficial discourse. You must also agree then when she says the following? Or are you kinda a la carte on her words
At the beginning of the pandemic, many people — including a lot of young and otherwise healthy individuals — became very ill from covid pneumonia. Testing was limited, and it’s likely many deaths weren’t attributed to covid that should have been.
And this
This is almost certainly the case in other parts the world, such as Eastern Europe, where the official death counts from covid were probably much lower than the actual mortality from the disease. In the United States, there were probably quite a few missed covid cases early on, so even if some deaths were improperly attributed to covid, they were still likely undercounted in 2020 and much of 2021.
Re Ardern: correct so she could equally have hung up her hat because she was resigned to losing power or something else Who knows and I'm sure you'll agree career choice is on the same level as an individuals choice to be vaccinated or not and people shouldn't be harangued or criticised for their choices
Her comments on the unvaccinated being second class citizens was despicable and told me all I needed to know about her mindset There's a whole World of difference in describing the Vaccine Passport System operated by many Countries including New Zealand and UK as a Two Tier System and describing is as second class citizens. I have already addressed this question on this thread and have nothing more to add
These are the actual words she used
www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/new-zealand-jacinda-ardern-coronavirus-vaccines-ve5572e26%3famp
She was not referring to a system she specifically referred to different classes of people!
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 21, 2023 0:23:04 GMT
She was not referring to a system she specifically referred to different classes of people! At the beginning of the pandemic, many people — including a lot of young and otherwise healthy individuals — became very ill from covid pneumonia. Testing was limited, and it’s likely many deaths weren’t attributed to covid that should have been. No I don’t agree with this, I don’t see any research showing that young healthy people were dying from covid.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 21, 2023 0:24:21 GMT
Who knows and I'm sure you'll agree career choice is on the same level as an individuals choice to be vaccinated or not and people shouldn't be harangued or criticised for their choices
Certainly agree
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Post by wannabee on Jan 21, 2023 1:13:22 GMT
She was not referring to a system she specifically referred to different classes of people! Yep the Vaccinated and the Non Vaccinated as practiced in many Countries
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Post by wannabee on Jan 21, 2023 1:17:48 GMT
She was not referring to a system she specifically referred to different classes of people! At the beginning of the pandemic, many people — including a lot of young and otherwise healthy individuals — became very ill from covid pneumonia. Testing was limited, and it’s likely many deaths weren’t attributed to covid that should have been. No I don’t agree with this, I don’t see any research showing that young healthy people were dying from covid. So you are an a la carte kinda guy You wlll belive what someone says when it fits your opinion but dismiss that persons opinion when you disagree with it That then invalidates both that person's opinion and of course yours
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 21, 2023 3:03:50 GMT
She reminds me of Nasrenda Modi sometimes 😉
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Post by henry on Jan 21, 2023 9:02:46 GMT
She was not referring to a system she specifically referred to different classes of people! Yep the Vaccinated and the Non Vaccinated as practiced in many Countries It was cuntish behaviour in all those countries as well.
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