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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 2, 2023 18:08:25 GMT
3.
Baker needs dropping. Powell should start (probably upfront) Delap should be nowhere near the team. No need for 5 defenders against a dreadful PNE.
Today was a very poor performance even by the very poor standards of the last 4 years. This was bad by Mad Nathan's standards.
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Post by Mystic Stokie on Jan 2, 2023 18:11:10 GMT
1. Abysmal. I'm back in Blighty later in January and was looking forward to getting a game in while I'm there (Reading at home), I am having 2nd thoughts about it. I'll end up going though because I love having a few pre game beers.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 2, 2023 18:11:49 GMT
haway can you see the missing pieces in the jigsaw more clearly than we can? What did he have at yours that he hasn't got at SCFC (and don't say the fans ) x Midfield basically. It’s why I can see you signing Pritchard. We had the inverted wingers and a midfield that pushed up high and pressured from the off. Seemed to work wonders for us and Mowbray has continued that style of play with a focus on passing the ball. Either your midfield are lazy or he doesn’t want to implement that style of play - which doesn’t make sense given it was working fine for us. They don't work hard in or out of possession. No one works to make an angle to receive a pass and only Smallbone makes an effort to press.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 2, 2023 18:13:16 GMT
1. Abysmal. I'm back in Blighty later in January and was looking forward to getting a game in while I'm there (Reading at home), I am having 2nd thoughts about it. I'll end up going though because I love having a few pre game beers. I would advise doing the pre-match and then staying in the pub.
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Post by haway on Jan 2, 2023 18:17:33 GMT
Midfield basically. It’s why I can see you signing Pritchard. We had the inverted wingers and a midfield that pushed up high and pressured from the off. Seemed to work wonders for us and Mowbray has continued that style of play with a focus on passing the ball. Either your midfield are lazy or he doesn’t want to implement that style of play - which doesn’t make sense given it was working fine for us. They don't work hard in or out of possession. No one works to make an angle to receive a pass and only Smallbone makes an effort to press. One midfielder pressing is too easy for teams to play around, you need more midfielders doing it. I’d say Smallbone playing deeper and Pritchard playing the number 10 role would work for you better if you were to sign him. Delap up front as the pressing forward (he does the high press from what I remember).
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 2, 2023 18:28:39 GMT
They don't work hard in or out of possession. No one works to make an angle to receive a pass and only Smallbone makes an effort to press. One midfielder pressing is too easy for teams to play around, you need more midfielders doing it. I’d say Smallbone playing deeper and Pritchard playing the number 10 role would work for you better if you were to sign him. Delap up front as the pressing forward (he does the high press from what I remember). You missed the ‘de’ off in your last sentence 😁
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Post by philb on Jan 2, 2023 18:31:26 GMT
1. What a state we’ve ended up in when we play Brown and Campbell up front and then bring one of our most creative midfielders (when he’s fit) on and stick him up front for Fox to whack 40 yard balls up to him for him to head down. WTF 🤬
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Post by Simon Drainrod on Jan 2, 2023 18:35:47 GMT
3. The non-selection of Powell is completely baffling.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Jan 2, 2023 18:38:25 GMT
1 from me, I think we would perform better with no manager.
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Post by mrrine on Jan 2, 2023 18:40:55 GMT
Thought the tactics were ok for his last match, even the choice of smallbone etc and he was let down by an individual error - last game despite a loss he'd be looking upwards of 6.
Today though...
Predictably, we got out championshiped by average stereotypical championship shit.
So what does that make us? This happens more often than not.
The only time we really turn up, not necessarily win, is when people come here and try and play us at a proper football match. (this isnt new, its been happening since we came down)
Today was horrifically obvious, anyone could see it coming a mile off.
The Powell situation needs resolving asap. Restore him or sell him - the bench isnt working, he was cack coming off it but we can't persist with Smallbone.
I'm so sick of seeing us beaten by bang average millwall style championship teams.
3/10
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Post by robstokie on Jan 2, 2023 18:45:12 GMT
Has to be a 0 - same ineffective 3 at the back, same impotent performance and still he persists with Smallbone who is absolutely garbage, Fox who is not a centre half and Clarke who although decent enough coming forward is garbage defensively. Switched off yet again at the end to chuck away yet another game at home.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2023 18:48:52 GMT
We are watching rubbish, but who is to blame?
Is it rowetts fault Millwall players , give their all for him ,Stoke players can't be arsed
Is it NJ's fault,Luton players give their all for him , Stoke players can't be arsed
Is it AN's fault, Sunderland players give their all for him, Stoke players can't be arsed
Yes , Stoke players, won't play for anybody but whose fault is that ?
Does the ability of rowett NJ and AN ,to get a response from the players at Millwall, Luton and Sunderland, really prove that they can't motivate their players ?
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Post by lordb on Jan 2, 2023 19:06:01 GMT
What was he doing differently at Sunderland? Winning the ball back quickly and creating better quality chances. Well we aren't seeing that
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Post by bhp on Jan 2, 2023 19:54:09 GMT
Don’t understand the Baker for Laurent sub, too like for like. Should have been for Fosu and go 4231
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 2, 2023 20:01:18 GMT
I’ll be generous and give him a 0.
Fucking shite.
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Post by blackpoolred on Jan 2, 2023 20:14:50 GMT
2
We turned up and tried hence the 2, but not a lot to cling to, nobody who can cross a ball, nobody who can take a setpiece, nobody who can take a man on, nobody to play a killer pass, no composure, calamitous defending at some point in every game and 4 or 5 players in the starting 11 that are not good enough at this level.
No point in blaming this manager, the MON windows fecked us up royally and I think had he been in charge we would be bottom.
Manager and club will be judged in this window, we are in real trouble and if we just come out with the same owd blurb that we need to sell because of FFP and we won't be doing much in the January window then heads need to roll from top to bottom - we have to act now and for once do some shrewd business in the window
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Post by loosestools on Jan 2, 2023 20:17:24 GMT
0 - I cant abide him. He's arrogant - not quite the same as Rowett but still arrogant.
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Post by bjarnig on Jan 2, 2023 20:17:57 GMT
ZERO
Inept manager. Worst we've had.
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Post by stokemark on Jan 2, 2023 20:18:25 GMT
1 - we lost to Burnley, says we need to utilise the squad then plays the same fucking 11 in the same formation in a completely different type of game
Shite management
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Post by marwood on Jan 2, 2023 20:20:10 GMT
0 - I cant abide him. He's arrogant - not quite the same as Rowett but still arrogant. Even worse -he's arrogant without the talent to back up his words At least with Ali, Clough etc, they walked the walk
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 2, 2023 20:41:42 GMT
Didn't like him at Norwich. Didn't like him at Preston. Didn't want him as manager at Stoke but reasoned that I didn't like Pulis but he did a fantastic job. Today was the day I decided I don't like him at Stoke and would prefer MON. At least he tried to play attractive football even if it was negative. He picked our creative players and got a tune out of Campbell, Brown, Tymon, Baker. Now we just watch negative football played. Today we watched boring football played by a bunch of poor footballers. I can't think of one player who is playing better for AN. If somebody said to me "Careful what you wish for," when we sacked MON today I'd be saying "You were right!"
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Post by fca47 on Jan 2, 2023 20:46:15 GMT
3 - We held out until extra time.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jan 2, 2023 20:48:47 GMT
Another domestic journeyman with no ideas and now at the point of baffling team selections and substitutes………….only one outcome
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Post by wuzza on Jan 2, 2023 20:49:43 GMT
We are watching rubbish, but who is to blame? Is it rowetts fault Millwall players , give their all for him ,Stoke players can't be arsed Is it NJ's fault,Luton players give their all for him , Stoke players can't be arsed Is it AN's fault, Sunderland players give their all for him, Stoke players can't be arsed Yes , Stoke players, won't play for anybody but whose fault is that ? Does the ability of rowett NJ and AN ,to get a response from the players at Millwall, Luton and Sunderland, really prove that they can't motivate their players ? I see your point and it’s fair enough. However we’ve had a reasonable turnover of players within that period too - and yet nothing seems to change. Surely players can’t all turn moody the moment they pull a striped jersey on ?
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 2, 2023 20:57:01 GMT
0.
If I see Nick Powell being used as a target man once more I swear I'll scream. He's a number ten and when fit and firing one of the very best in the league.
We have to get him there, build the side around him until the end of the season then the manager can rebuild with the players he wants in the summer.
It's obvious we're nowhere near promotion so just swallow your pride man, build a side best fitted to getting more results than we are now, look after the short term to enable we can look after the long term.
This ridiculous shoe horning of your preferred style is creating an absolute dogs dinner because the players we have just can't do it and it's making them look far worse than they are, which is the opposite of what a manager is employed to bloody do.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 2, 2023 21:12:39 GMT
1* brown and Campbell were garbage vs Burnley, no idea what they did to retain their places
Powell would have easily taken the chance that fell Browns way, end result 0 points
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 2, 2023 21:14:50 GMT
2 from me. He seems to be out of his depth with these players and has no idea how to change things. Individually, most of the players should be good enough to be much higher up in the league but as a collective they're relegation material. That's entirely down to the manager.
OS.
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