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Post by AlliG on Jan 2, 2023 19:26:59 GMT
Wow! 22 bald men fighting over a comb. Was there anyone on the pitch this afternoon who had ever even seen a professional game of football let alone played in one? Presume they all though the white lines were there for decoration. What is it with Stoke v Preston games in winter?
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Post by ibby on Jan 2, 2023 19:58:14 GMT
The board have got a big decision to make.Do they give him a window and see if he can change things or get rid and give a new manager a chance?
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Post by wrexhamstokie90 on Jan 2, 2023 20:02:23 GMT
The board have got a big decision to make.Do they give him a window and see if he can change things or get rid and give a new manager a chance? We all know he isn’t sacking Neil not a chance
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Post by ibby on Jan 2, 2023 20:20:10 GMT
The board have got a big decision to make.Do they give him a window and see if he can change things or get rid and give a new manager a chance? We all know he isn’t sacking Neil not a chance Who ?
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Post by bingbang on Jan 2, 2023 20:22:57 GMT
Could be history repeating itself, if we lose Sunday it could be Hughes all over again.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 2, 2023 20:23:09 GMT
The 97-98 side is ten times worse than this one. I don’t think it is. After 26 games in 1997-98 we were 16th on 29 points. After 26 games this season we are 18th on 30 points. The similarities are frightening. Who from that side would get into this one? We started that season ok but the cracks were there from the off. Player for player I don’t think it’s close. That was clearly a relegation team, I don’t think this one is.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 2, 2023 20:24:31 GMT
Amazing how long it has taken for the anger to come through, not entirely sure it's all the players fault they are a p[part of it but the club is run badly , Neil is a snake oil salesman obsessed with stats and his iPad, he has injected no passion and for me MON was better but the football acumen at Board Level is non-existent and that problem is not going anywhere.
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Post by harryh157 on Jan 2, 2023 20:37:45 GMT
Feeling really positive about today....3-0 Keep drinking 🍺🍺🍺 I am...started after the game ffs
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 2, 2023 20:42:13 GMT
I don’t think it is. After 26 games in 1997-98 we were 16th on 29 points. After 26 games this season we are 18th on 30 points. The similarities are frightening. Who from that side would get into this one? We started that season ok but the cracks were there from the off. Player for player I don’t think it’s close. That was clearly a relegation team, I don’t think this one is. There’s a difference in terms of what the teams cost as well, and where we are “supposed” to be. Given what this lot cost, and where they have been signed from (more so the loans), it’s pretty tragic. Like you say, this team is not a relegation side but is currently playing like one, and in many aspects that’s even worse.
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 2, 2023 21:11:40 GMT
Amazing how long it has taken for the anger to come through, not entirely sure it's all the players fault they are a p[part of it but the club is run badly , Neil is a snake oil salesman obsessed with stats and his iPad, he has injected no passion and for me MON was better but the football acumen at Board Level is non-existent and that problem is not going anywhere. That is a fair summary of this parlous situation
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Post by Veritas on Jan 2, 2023 21:20:57 GMT
Amazing how long it has taken for the anger to come through, not entirely sure it's all the players fault they are a p[part of it but the club is run badly , Neil is a snake oil salesman obsessed with stats and his iPad, he has injected no passion and for me MON was better but the football acumen at Board Level is non-existent and that problem is not going anywhere. I think it is a case of donkeys led by donkeys. The players collectively lack any bottle and the group is devoid of any leaders, oh for a Whelan in midfield. MON had run out of ideas and this guy doesn't appear to have had any to start with. I am very much a glass half full guy but even I am starting to look nervously at the relegation zone.
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Post by nickhfc on Jan 2, 2023 21:22:11 GMT
7 defeats out of 13 at home this season. Sunderland 0-1 Watford 0-4 Rotherham 0-1 Coventry 0-2 Birmingham 1-2 Burnley 0-1 Preston 0-1 Shit strikers, and no ability to get back into games. According to the excellent transfermarkt site, we've been behind 10 times at home this season out of 13 games. That in itself is fucking dreadful. But then, from those deficits, we've won just 3 points, no wins, three draws, seven defeats. Relegation form that. 1 goal scored in those
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Post by onionman on Jan 2, 2023 21:29:05 GMT
I don’t think it is. After 26 games in 1997-98 we were 16th on 29 points. After 26 games this season we are 18th on 30 points. The similarities are frightening. Who from that side would get into this one? We started that season ok but the cracks were there from the off. Player for player I don’t think it’s close. That was clearly a relegation team, I don’t think this one is. Sigurdsson, Kavanagh and Thorne certainly. Griffin before he was sold. Keen and Wallace probably. Forsyth maybe. I also don't think Muggleton and Lightbourne are any worse than whoever we pick in goal or up front today. We were still harbouring hopes of the play-offs until January, when the wheels fell off. Both teams share a debilitating mental weakness on top of having rubbish players. Overall, if the 97-98 team played the 22-23 team, I think whichever team is at home would lose 1-0 to a scrappy goal from a corner.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 2, 2023 21:43:18 GMT
Who from that side would get into this one? We started that season ok but the cracks were there from the off. Player for player I don’t think it’s close. That was clearly a relegation team, I don’t think this one is. Sigurdsson, Kavanagh and Thorne certainly. Griffin before he was sold. Keen and Wallace probably. Forsyth maybe. I also don't think Muggleton and Lightbourne are any worse than whoever we pick in goal or up front today. We were still harbouring hopes of the play-offs until January, when the wheels fell off. Both teams share a debilitating mental weakness on top of having rubbish players. Overall, if the 97-98 team played the 22-23 team, I think whichever team is at home would lose 1-0 to a scrappy goal from a corner. Good shouts for those players. I think the wheels were teetering that season even when results were going well. Lightbourne was terrible I thought. Campbell, Brown, Delap are all better. Razor post-Gleghorn was terrible I think too. I don’t see anyone in this squad as bad as Nyamah, Tweed, Holsgrove, Andrade, Donaldson, Stewart. Or anyone as gutless as players like Pickering.
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Post by onionman on Jan 2, 2023 22:03:12 GMT
Sigurdsson, Kavanagh and Thorne certainly. Griffin before he was sold. Keen and Wallace probably. Forsyth maybe. I also don't think Muggleton and Lightbourne are any worse than whoever we pick in goal or up front today. We were still harbouring hopes of the play-offs until January, when the wheels fell off. Both teams share a debilitating mental weakness on top of having rubbish players. Overall, if the 97-98 team played the 22-23 team, I think whichever team is at home would lose 1-0 to a scrappy goal from a corner. Good shouts for those players. I think the wheels were teetering that season even when results were going well. Lightbourne was terrible I thought. Campbell, Brown, Delap are all better. Razor post-Gleghorn was terrible I think too. I don’t see anyone in this squad as bad as Nyamah, Tweed, Holsgrove, Andrade, Donaldson, Stewart. Or anyone as gutless as players like Pickering. Remember winning 1-0 at Man City, beating Wolves 3-0, beating the Vale 2-1. At that time, lots of Stoke fans said we had the best midfield in the division. I admit I didn't agree. Yes, Wallace was terrible when not alongside Gleghorn but I don't think we realised this until it was too late. The same thing might end up being said about Baker. Lightbourne was basically a late 1990s Jacob Brown wasn't he? If we go down - which we might just do - the likes of Smallbone, Delap, Fox, Bonham/Bursik will be talked about in the same breath as those jokers. EDIT: Oh and Dwight Gayle's contribution so far makes Paul Stewart look like Messi.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 2, 2023 22:14:57 GMT
Good shouts for those players. I think the wheels were teetering that season even when results were going well. Lightbourne was terrible I thought. Campbell, Brown, Delap are all better. Razor post-Gleghorn was terrible I think too. I don’t see anyone in this squad as bad as Nyamah, Tweed, Holsgrove, Andrade, Donaldson, Stewart. Or anyone as gutless as players like Pickering. Remember winning 1-0 at Man City, beating Wolves 3-0, beating the Vale 2-1. At that time, lots of Stoke fans said we had the best midfield in the division. I admit I didn't agree. Yes, Wallace was terrible when not alongside Gleghorn but I don't think we realised this until it was too late. The same thing might end up being said about Baker. Lightbourne was basically a late 1990s Jacob Brown wasn't he? If we go down - which we might just do - the likes of Smallbone, Delap, Fox, Bonham/Bursik will be talked about in the same breath as those jokers. EDIT: Oh and Dwight Gayle's contribution so far makes Paul Stewart look like Messi. Beating the Vale was a lot of fun but that match was a farce in which the ref did us a couple of hilarious favours and they were as bad as us all season anyway. Winning 1-0 at Man Cjty was subsequently shown not to be quite the impressive feat we thought at the time as well. Brown actually scored some goals, Lightbourne at the same level looked like a competition winner. We won’t go down.
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Post by dude18632 on Jan 2, 2023 22:29:24 GMT
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Post by steve66 on Jan 2, 2023 22:35:40 GMT
Have just come round to looking at championshit table after yet another to say the least disappointing display, what is going wrong I haven’t a clue, successive managers seemingly don’t either. I’ve witnessed fantastic stoke players too numerous to name, also witnessed the dire days of fans turning on our best manager ever, Tony Waddington, conclusion is obvious that our current crop are not good enough as results keep proving, on paper we have individuals who would probably get into most championshit sides but collectively can’t play together, on top of that I also question a manager who doesn’t play certain players in their best positions & today left us with one young striker on the pitch for 20/25 minutes, how the #### can that be right when we are desperate to beat teams in and around us especially at home, unforgivable in my opinion, can look at 90% of our games and say we’ve not worked opposing keepers hardly at all, sure these sentiments been discussed widely on here and elsewhere, this moment in time I’m seriously thinking of not renewing but I know at end of the day stoke in my blood so doubt I will give up just yet….
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Post by musik on Jan 2, 2023 23:14:30 GMT
Have just come round to looking at championshit table after yet another to say the least disappointing display, what is going wrong I haven’t a clue, successive managers seemingly don’t either. I’ve witnessed fantastic stoke players too numerous to name, also witnessed the dire days of fans turning on our best manager ever, Tony Waddington, conclusion is obvious that our current crop are not good enough as results keep proving, on paper we have individuals who would probably get into most championshit sides but collectively can’t play together, on top of that I also question a manager who doesn’t play certain players in their best positions & today left us with one young striker on the pitch for 20/25 minutes, how the #### can that be right when we are desperate to beat teams in and around us especially at home, unforgivable in my opinion, can look at 90% of our games and say we’ve not worked opposing keepers hardly at all, sure these sentiments been discussed widely on here and elsewhere, this moment in time I’m seriously thinking of not renewing but I know at end of the day stoke in my blood so doubt I will give up just yet…. Better times will come! I haven't been able to see much of Stoke City FC yet this season, just the full games vs Watford and West Brom and then the 10 mins of every other game from the video highlights afterwards at the official website. Personally, if I was a manager I would have tried to keep Bursik, Bonham, Jagielka, Souttar, Sterling, Tymon, Baker, Powell, Fosu, Brown, Wright-Philips and Campbell. I'm not sure about the rest. What worries me, there seems to be no intention get players in this month.
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Post by Sfance on Jan 2, 2023 23:41:14 GMT
How did “odd flick Nick” do when he was unleashed? One flick? Two flicks?
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Post by steve66 on Jan 2, 2023 23:49:29 GMT
Have just come round to looking at championshit table after yet another to say the least disappointing display, what is going wrong I haven’t a clue, successive managers seemingly don’t either. I’ve witnessed fantastic stoke players too numerous to name, also witnessed the dire days of fans turning on our best manager ever, Tony Waddington, conclusion is obvious that our current crop are not good enough as results keep proving, on paper we have individuals who would probably get into most championshit sides but collectively can’t play together, on top of that I also question a manager who doesn’t play certain players in their best positions & today left us with one young striker on the pitch for 20/25 minutes, how the #### can that be right when we are desperate to beat teams in and around us especially at home, unforgivable in my opinion, can look at 90% of our games and say we’ve not worked opposing keepers hardly at all, sure these sentiments been discussed widely on here and elsewhere, this moment in time I’m seriously thinking of not renewing but I know at end of the day stoke in my blood so doubt I will give up just yet…. Better times will come! I haven't been able to see much of Stoke City FC yet this season, just the full games vs Watford and West Brom and then the 10 mins of every other game from the video highlights afterwards at the official website. Personally, if I was a manager I would have tried to keep Bursik, Bonham, Jagielka, Souttar, Sterling, Tymon, Baker, Powell, Fosu, Brown, Wright-Philips and Campbell. I'm not sure about the rest. What worries me, there seems to be no intention get players in this month. Like your optimism M but can tell you from being a regular attendee that not many rate either keeper, Sterling injured most of the time, Campbell although scores now and then but does not tackle or rarely wins headers, criminal for a striker, brown can’t control a ball quickly enough, SWP too lightweight…
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Post by wilcopotter on Jan 2, 2023 23:54:55 GMT
How did “odd flick Nick” do when he was unleashed? One flick? Two flicks? The flick of all flicks was attempted by Campbell today, he’s absolutely fucking useless. Can’t believe they took Brown off and left him on. At least Brown was trying.
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Post by wilcopotter on Jan 3, 2023 0:20:52 GMT
Interesting that no stick/respect to Alex from the Preston fans today, this suggests to me they consider him a no mark.
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Post by musik on Jan 3, 2023 1:05:50 GMT
Better times will come! I haven't been able to see much of Stoke City FC yet this season, just the full games vs Watford and West Brom and then the 10 mins of every other game from the video highlights afterwards at the official website. Personally, if I was a manager I would have tried to keep Bursik, Bonham, Jagielka, Souttar, Sterling, Tymon, Baker, Powell, Fosu, Brown, Wright-Philips and Campbell. I'm not sure about the rest. What worries me, there seems to be no intention get players in this month. Like your optimism M but can tell you from being a regular attendee that not many rate either keeper, Sterling injured most of the time, Campbell although scores now and then but does not tackle or rarely wins headers, criminal for a striker, brown can’t control a ball quickly enough, SWP too lightweight… All strikers in a team don't have to win headers. It made me think of Gerd Müller, Gary Lineker, Romario and many more. But of course, it would be nice to have at least some forward who could win headers or score from them, so we didn't have to rely on Souttar all the time, since he can't be in two places at the same time. Yes, Campbell and Brown are pretty short and no heading material, but Gayle isn't either. And I don't know what Delap does. More of a midfielder to me. Not explosively fast. And I know Sterling, Souttar, Powell and now Jagielka have/had injury problems, but I would have kept some players from the squad (I would say about half of it). And yes, Wright-Philips and Bursik are young and lightweight, but I've seen enough qualities in these youngsters to keep them, probably also Tezgel - for the future. I would have kept Bonham simply because it's hard to get a really good goal keeper, if you don't pay a huge amount, and I had picked him as our #1. But there are many players I didn't mention. I have a problem to see where they would have fit in if I were The Manager. So, about ten new players in the window pls. But there's no intention for that. It's a massive problem.
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Post by onionman on Jan 3, 2023 1:07:36 GMT
Remember winning 1-0 at Man City, beating Wolves 3-0, beating the Vale 2-1. At that time, lots of Stoke fans said we had the best midfield in the division. I admit I didn't agree. Yes, Wallace was terrible when not alongside Gleghorn but I don't think we realised this until it was too late. The same thing might end up being said about Baker. Lightbourne was basically a late 1990s Jacob Brown wasn't he? If we go down - which we might just do - the likes of Smallbone, Delap, Fox, Bonham/Bursik will be talked about in the same breath as those jokers. EDIT: Oh and Dwight Gayle's contribution so far makes Paul Stewart look like Messi. Beating the Vale was a lot of fun but that match was a farce in which the ref did us a couple of hilarious favours and they were as bad as us all season anyway. Winning 1-0 at Man Cjty was subsequently shown not to be quite the impressive feat we thought at the time as well. Brown actually scored some goals, Lightbourne at the same level looked like a competition winner. We won’t go down. Right now I think we're about 50-50 for relegation, but I'm mentally scarred precisely because of 1998.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 3, 2023 11:43:07 GMT
7 defeats out of 13 at home this season. Sunderland 0-1 Watford 0-4 Rotherham 0-1 Coventry 0-2 Birmingham 1-2 Burnley 0-1 Preston 0-1 Shit strikers, and no ability to get back into games. According to the excellent transfermarkt site, we've been behind 10 times at home this season out of 13 games. That in itself is fucking dreadful. But then, from those deficits, we've won just 3 points, no wins, three draws, seven defeats. Relegation form that. 1 goal scored in those And that was a penalty
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Post by thevoid on Jan 3, 2023 14:21:28 GMT
And that was a penalty I genuinely can't remember the results of some of our games this season, they seem to be merging into a fog! I thought we'd drawn 0-0 with Brum... Since beating WBA last season our home record reads: P 30 W 8 D 7 L15 GS 37 Brian Little season form that.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 3, 2023 14:51:15 GMT
I don’t think it is. After 26 games in 1997-98 we were 16th on 29 points. After 26 games this season we are 18th on 30 points. The similarities are frightening. I wouldn't put it past us to sack Neil and bring Chris Kamara in. Good idea.....except the latter bit.
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