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Post by theonlooker on Nov 28, 2022 20:25:02 GMT
Christ there is some proper shit in this tournament. Both of these are diabolical.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Nov 28, 2022 20:38:10 GMT
Should have scored there.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 28, 2022 20:49:02 GMT
Game's gone.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 28, 2022 20:49:30 GMT
What absolute bollox!
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Post by spiderpuss on Nov 28, 2022 20:50:35 GMT
Handball laws are bordering on the insane.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 28, 2022 20:50:42 GMT
Both these teams are vile,absolutely vile
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Post by scfcwebby on Nov 28, 2022 20:50:50 GMT
Horrendous decision again from VAR
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Post by metalhead on Nov 28, 2022 20:51:35 GMT
One of the worst VAR decisions ever.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 28, 2022 20:51:53 GMT
That's that
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Post by deeside2 on Nov 28, 2022 20:52:42 GMT
Ludicrous decision.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 28, 2022 20:53:15 GMT
Imagine if that happened to us! 😬
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Post by Northy on Nov 28, 2022 20:53:51 GMT
Fookin wankstains who decided that was a penalty
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 28, 2022 20:56:49 GMT
What the fuck was that all about? The games gone, ridiculous
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Post by tosh on Nov 28, 2022 20:59:21 GMT
The referee’s decision? Doesn’t Var just invite him to look at it again. A really ridiculous unjust decision.
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Post by meirman61 on Nov 28, 2022 20:59:39 GMT
Deliberate hand-ball for a penalty then we know where we stand.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2022 21:00:09 GMT
Is still very much here but the handball rule needs seriously looking at.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 28, 2022 21:08:36 GMT
Ronaldo clearly lying ... he's gesturing that it glanced off his FOREHEAD and yet the camera close up shows, that if he DID touch it (and that's far from confirmed) then it came off the TOP of his head.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 28, 2022 21:44:21 GMT
Ronaldo clearly lying ... he's gesturing that it glanced off his FOREHEAD and yet the camera close up shows, that if he DID touch it (and that's far from confirmed) then it came off the TOP of his head. . I used to like Ronaldo
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 28, 2022 22:16:01 GMT
Did Ronaldo actually touch it? He claimed he scored the penalty as well apparently. Mind you he was closer to that than he was the header.
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Post by wrighter on Nov 28, 2022 22:18:20 GMT
Fernandes acts like Bambi taking a penalty Bell end
Penalty my arse
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 28, 2022 22:23:46 GMT
Fernandes acts like Bambi taking a penalty Bell end Penalty my arse Just nit picking but by the time he'd hop skipped and jumped up to the ball there must have been at least 4 Portuguese players in the box when he hit the ball. I thought VAR was supposed to order a retake in those circumstances? Like with the keepers off their lines.
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Post by zommbee on Nov 28, 2022 22:44:13 GMT
The referee’s decision? Doesn’t Var just invite him to look at it again. A really ridiculous unjust decision. Quite how the VAR thought that was deliberate handball we'll never know but the referee could have not given the penalty after looking at the replay, the player was so obviously not making his body unnaturally bigger deliberately, just putting his arm down to break his fall.
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Post by zommbee on Nov 28, 2022 22:48:23 GMT
Fernandes acts like Bambi taking a penalty Bell end Penalty my arse Just nit picking but by the time he'd hop skipped and jumped up to the ball there must have been at least 4 Portuguese players in the box when he hit the ball. I thought VAR was supposed to order a retake in those circumstances? Like with the keepers off their lines. That's right, should've had a retake for encroachment, didn't need VAR for that either, it was so obvious the referee could've called it immediately.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2022 22:51:29 GMT
Just nit picking but by the time he'd hop skipped and jumped up to the ball there must have been at least 4 Portuguese players in the box when he hit the ball. I thought VAR was supposed to order a retake in those circumstances? Like with the keepers off their lines. That's right, should've had a retake for encroachment, didn't need VAR for that either, it was so obvious the referee could've called it immediately. Rules are has to be a continuous run up. How are keepers expected to remain on the line when players are feigning striking the ball? Also you're spot on re the encroachment when keepers are so highly monitored.
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 28, 2022 22:54:25 GMT
Horrendous decision again from VAR It's because they bloody slow it down and freeze it which totally distorts the reality. When you look at it in real time it looks completely different, the thing is the real time is actually what happened! Horrendous decision that.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 28, 2022 22:59:30 GMT
In slow motion, from behind the penalty decision looked a bit dubious - made it look like he’d planted his hand right on it.
That was the only view the ref got on VAR.
Seconds after he’s given the decision it shows another angle, from the side in real time and it’s plainly obvious it was accidental. Why aren’t they helping the refs out and giving them these other views at different speeds?
Every other angle at normal speed would show it for what it was.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 29, 2022 2:04:49 GMT
The referee’s decision? Doesn’t Var just invite him to look at it again. A really ridiculous unjust decision. Quite how the VAR thought that was deliberate handball we'll never know but the referee could have not given the penalty after looking at the replay, the player was so obviously not making his body unnaturally bigger deliberately, just putting his arm down to break his fall. It’s a common misconception that handling the ball has to be deliberate. Law 12 clearly states handling the ball is a foul even if the action is accidental.
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 29, 2022 10:49:57 GMT
Quite how the VAR thought that was deliberate handball we'll never know but the referee could have not given the penalty after looking at the replay, the player was so obviously not making his body unnaturally bigger deliberately, just putting his arm down to break his fall. It’s a common misconception that handling the ball has to be deliberate. Law 12 clearly states handling the ball is a foul even if the action is accidental. This is the law as it stands, see below, So this pen was given on the basis that the player was making their body unnaturally bigger? This supposed to be a clarification but surely it's still ambiguous, and subjective as to what makes a players body unnaturally bigger? Surely, hands are natural too!!! especially when they are stopping you from hitting the ground? Was that Uruguay defender making his body unnaturally bigger? LAW 12 Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence. It is an offence if a player: • deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball • touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised • scores in the opponents’ goal:
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Post by raythesailor on Nov 29, 2022 11:10:29 GMT
The fact is the FIFA international rule committee made a complete mess of the handball rule a few seasons ago, making it more complicated for no reasonable reason.
The original rule which had been unchanged for many years stating If a player INTENTIONALLY handles the ball etc, etc. was fine.
I suspect that last night’s Referee did not want to give the penalty, but was given little or no choice by the VAR officials. When viewing the screen he could be Clearly seen having an animated conversation on his mike, and his body language and facial expression returning to the pitch leads me to this suspicion.
I am sure a heated analysis will be held post match with a lot of buck passing . The problem is VAR and who is reffing the match? The referee or the faceless officials upstairs watching numerous screens in Slow Mo!
I know who I think it should be.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 11:21:36 GMT
I never understand Uruguay. So often they have talented squads but seem to want to revert to spoiling a game rather than using the talent they have.
Columbia did it v England the last tournament and then when they went behind decided to play football and were the better side.
SpIn were also guilty of it , especially in the 80s
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