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Post by lordb on Nov 12, 2022 14:48:53 GMT
Against Luton Fox made 2 assists and was solid defensively and Wilmott contributed nothing up front and was a liability at the back. Wilmott has contributed more going forward over the season but equally he's made some howlers at the back while Fox has been consistently reliable. I'd take fewer mistakes in a CB everytime. Wilmot contributes a lot more to our play than Fox not just in raw goals and assists. Far better at dealing with the ball and far more mobile. Pretty sure if AN wanted to play an alternative CB he'd pick Wimot ahead of Clarke at RB anyway. Defenders who contribute little and make few mistakes is very outdated thinking. Agree Otherwise you would just play Flint
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 12, 2022 14:50:05 GMT
Against Luton Fox made 2 assists and was solid defensively and Wilmott contributed nothing up front and was a liability at the back. Wilmott has contributed more going forward over the season but equally he's made some howlers at the back while Fox has been consistently reliable. I'd take fewer mistakes in a CB everytime. Fox is a LB He played CB in a back 5 against Luton and at the moment I'd take home as CB over Wilmott in a back 4. Fox has been steady this season and Wilmott has varied from very good to diabolical. I'd take steady.
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Post by shakermaker on Nov 12, 2022 14:50:33 GMT
4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 interesting. Souttar injured maybe? Gouranga. More than likely the latter, which would indeed be interesting. Haven't played that formation in over a year and a half.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Nov 12, 2022 14:51:12 GMT
Wilmot contributes a lot more to our play than Fox not just in raw goals and assists. Far better at dealing with the ball and far more mobile. Pretty sure if AN wanted to play an alternative CB he'd pick Wimot ahead of Clarke at RB anyway. Defenders who contribute little and make few mistakes is very outdated thinking. Agree Otherwise you would just play Flint Many of our fans are stuck in the past that's why they thought Taylor was marvelous when he actually looked raw as fuck lol.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Nov 12, 2022 14:52:57 GMT
He played CB in a back 5 against Luton and at the moment I'd take home as CB over Wilmott in a back 4. Fox has been steady this season and Wilmott has varied from very good to diabolical. I'd take steady. Luckily the manager sees the value in Wilmot. He's a modern defender and far better footballer.
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Post by lordb on Nov 12, 2022 14:53:02 GMT
Agree Otherwise you would just play Flint Many of our fans are stuck in the past that's why they thought Taylor was marvelous when he actually looked raw as fuck lol. Now am going to disagree The reason I like Taylor is he is good on the ball, like Wilmot he looks to play the ball forward Good in the air However slow and can have games with too many errors
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Post by pottersrule on Nov 12, 2022 14:56:04 GMT
Basically putting Souttar’s World Cup ambitions before Stoke City… hmmm Not at all, he's not played for 12 months,so 2 games in 4 games is too much.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 12, 2022 14:57:30 GMT
Against Luton Fox made 2 assists and was solid defensively and Wilmott contributed nothing up front and was a liability at the back. Wilmott has contributed more going forward over the season but equally he's made some howlers at the back while Fox has been consistently reliable. I'd take fewer mistakes in a CB everytime. Wilmot contributes a lot more to our play than Fox not just in raw goals and assists. Far better at dealing with the ball and far more mobile. Pretty sure if AN wanted to play an alternative CB he'd pick Wimot ahead of Clarke at RB anyway. Defenders who contribute little and make few mistakes is very outdated thinking. In that case given our defensive frailties we must be right on the cutting edge when it comes to setting up defensively. If it's old fashioned to want defenders who's first job is to actually defend then I'm happily set in my ways.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Nov 12, 2022 14:57:47 GMT
Basically putting Souttar’s World Cup ambitions before Stoke City… hmmm I'm hoping the World Cup is a blessing in disguise for us. Extra match practice and fitness without any rustiness negatively affecting us. And hopefully he returns in a month's time with extra match fitness, rehab and sharpness under his belt.
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Post by cousindupree on Nov 12, 2022 15:04:06 GMT
Good news Harry isn't playing. If he has a decent world cup it could put a few million on his value when we ineviatbly sell him next summer.
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Post by senojbor on Nov 12, 2022 15:05:20 GMT
No pace in that side
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 12, 2022 15:05:20 GMT
Wilmot contributes a lot more to our play than Fox not just in raw goals and assists. Far better at dealing with the ball and far more mobile. Pretty sure if AN wanted to play an alternative CB he'd pick Wimot ahead of Clarke at RB anyway. Defenders who contribute little and make few mistakes is very outdated thinking. Agree Otherwise you would just play Flint Flint is an old school defender who hasn't played that well. Wilmott is a modern defender who has been woefully inconsistent. Fox is an old fashioned defender who has been consistent and played well. It isn't a choice between old school or modern - it's about picking players in form and who aren't a liability at the back. Playing a defender who is making mistakes ahead of one who isn't just because he's "modern" is just batshit crazy.
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Post by meirman61 on Nov 12, 2022 15:11:54 GMT
Oh West Brazil doing long throws the irony.
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Post by iamstokie on Nov 12, 2022 15:30:40 GMT
He played CB in a back 5 against Luton and at the moment I'd take home as CB over Wilmott in a back 4. Fox has been steady this season and Wilmott has varied from very good to diabolical. I'd take steady. He is played a LCB , he’s not a CB and never will be
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Post by skiptomylou on Nov 12, 2022 15:31:34 GMT
Hate Powell being stuck out wide, he’s a brilliant number 10 and should have today’s team built around him. Nick Powell has never and will never have a team built around him. He's like trying to build a new housing estate with a cement mixer that may or may not work! Doesn't happen.
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Post by iamstokie on Nov 12, 2022 15:31:38 GMT
He played CB in a back 5 against Luton and at the moment I'd take home as CB over Wilmott in a back 4. Fox has been steady this season and Wilmott has varied from very good to diabolical. I'd take steady. And Wilmot has been fine , no more no less
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 12, 2022 15:49:50 GMT
Why play a team that has a big, strong defender who is a threat from set pieces and leave your two giants at home?
Why play Delap wide left? Why not Fosu?
Neil is worse than MON.
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Post by fca47 on Nov 12, 2022 15:53:15 GMT
Looking as weak as piss.
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Post by nott1 on Nov 12, 2022 15:56:15 GMT
Campbell has morphed into the invisible man.
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Post by nott1 on Nov 12, 2022 15:57:18 GMT
Why play a team that has a big, strong defender who is a threat from set pieces and leave your two giants at home? Why play Delap wide left? Why not Fosu? Neil is worse than MON. He's not the answer is he?
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 12, 2022 16:09:17 GMT
Why play a team that has a big, strong defender who is a threat from set pieces and leave your two giants at home? Why play Delap wide left? Why not Fosu? Neil is worse than MON. He's not the answer is he? He's not to standard. If he wasn't the son of a Stoke hero, he'd be given a lot less time. He's likely one of the highest earners in the squad yet the ball just bounces off him. Loans are supposed to be at a level where they make a difference to your team.
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Post by nott1 on Nov 12, 2022 16:27:35 GMT
He's not the answer is he? He's not to standard. If he wasn't the son of a Stoke hero, he'd be given a lot less time. He's likely one of the highest earners in the squad yet the ball just bounces off him. Loans are supposed to be at a level where they make a difference to your team. I meant AN
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 12, 2022 16:29:18 GMT
He's not to standard. If he wasn't the son of a Stoke hero, he'd be given a lot less time. He's likely one of the highest earners in the squad yet the ball just bounces off him. Loans are supposed to be at a level where they make a difference to your team. I meant AN Oh, also agree there. Too many times have we set up a team only for the fans to think, “why”?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Nov 12, 2022 17:09:13 GMT
Many of our fans are stuck in the past that's why they thought Taylor was marvelous when he actually looked raw as fuck lol. Now am going to disagree The reason I like Taylor is he is good on the ball, like Wilmot he looks to play the ball forward Good in the air However slow and can have games with too many errors Ha ha ha he's a racing snake compared to Taylor who is slow and clumsy. Taylor isn't good on the ball you're imagining things he's fucking awful on the ball.Jagielka looking our very worst option old slow and getting bullied not great on the ball either should have been subbed for Flint after about 20 minutes and he's shit too (Flint).
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 12, 2022 17:09:23 GMT
I'd pick Fox over Wilmot based on the games after Neil came in. Your opinion is obviously very much influenced by mistakes over contribution. Wilmot again proved he is a walking mistake, I've completely lost all my faith in him. He really isn't good enough!
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Nov 12, 2022 17:10:53 GMT
Your opinion is obviously very much influenced by mistakes over contribution. Wilmot again proved he is a walking mistake, I've completely lost all my faith in him. He really isn't good enough! So Jagielka's mistake you've attributed to Wilmot. You don't know what you're talking about.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 12, 2022 17:12:21 GMT
Wilmot again proved he is a walking mistake, I've completely lost all my faith in him. He really isn't good enough! So Jagielka's mistake you've attributed to Wilmot. You don't know what you're talking about. Yes, he was shit too! Are you really trying to defend this shit!
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Nov 12, 2022 17:18:38 GMT
So Jagielka's mistake you've attributed to Wilmot. You don't know what you're talking about. Yes, he was shit too! Are you really trying to defend this shit! Wilmot is a very good modern CB. He's one of the only players I don't see much issue with. See my first post on this thread no Souttar WTF, No Souttar you bring Flint on after about 20 mins when it's obvious we're being totally dominated aerially in our box from set plays. Flint is shit too.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 12, 2022 17:57:48 GMT
Yes, he was shit too! Are you really trying to defend this shit! Wilmot is a very good modern CB. He's one of the only players I don't see much issue with. See my first post on this thread no Souttar WTF, No Souttar you bring Flint on after about 20 mins when it's obvious we're being totally dominated aerially in our box from set plays. Flint is shit too. Yes, flint is shit, but he won't be totally dominated in the air like Wilmot was today. I'd started with Wilmot as well, but when you can see he loses out on every ball in the box you need to do something. Neil waited till it was too late!
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Post by sealion100 on Nov 12, 2022 18:25:50 GMT
Point IS where the fuck was Harry !!!! Can’t play two games in a week for Stoke but ‘s on the plane to the World Cup !!! WTF ... joke of a club
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