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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 7, 2024 5:43:02 GMT
Iversen is without any doubt a better goalkeeper than Bonham, but he hasn't been playing any real games lately. Give him some games and he will be a real upgrade to Bonham. I already could see he was much better in the box on crosses than Bonham, but the defenders must learn to play backpasses to his right foot. His left foot looked awfully weak I admit.
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Post by ceejays on Jan 7, 2024 8:15:36 GMT
Iversen is without any doubt a better goalkeeper than Bonham, but he hasn't been playing any real games lately. Give him some games and he will be a real upgrade to Bonham. I already could see he was much better in the box on crosses than Bonham, but the defenders must learn to play backpasses to his right foot. His left foot looked awfully weak I admit. . On yesterday’s evidence he clearly is not better than Bonham . Early days but he was totally responsible for two of the goals . The second goal came from a corner . This was where Iversen rushed out of his goal to clear a through ball. He clearly wasn’t going to make it and McNally had to rescue him by conceding the corner. Iversen acknowledged his error to McNally . They scored from the corner. The third goal Bonham would definitely have saved it. Given his kicking was dire then he had somewhat of a stinker .
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 7, 2024 8:50:45 GMT
I guess Iversen was never coming as back up, but shouldn't have started yesterday. Bonham may or may not have saved any of the goals, but the communication between defence and keeper would have been so much better.
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Jan 7, 2024 9:21:26 GMT
I see people are judging Iversen on one appearance. Typical Oatcake standards, Iversen is better than Bonham and we will all see that in a few games time.
Imagine judging a keeper on one FA CUP game after not playing for months.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 7, 2024 9:33:29 GMT
Should have done better with the 3rd goal.
None of the others really though.
McNally doesn’t come out with his head held high for most of those goals.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Jan 7, 2024 9:40:49 GMT
No better or worse than Bonham, which considering he hasn't played for months augers well for the future. He can only get better.
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 7, 2024 10:37:00 GMT
Physically fit is very different from match ready and therefore at full effectiveness. Those are two factors that are very different things and that effect is obvious to see in many fields of human endeavour, not just sport. He needs time to get rolling, he will only get better as he's exposed to the fray. Give the guy the time he needs before passing, what is here and now, a premature judgment.
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Post by lordb on Jan 7, 2024 10:40:09 GMT
Bit surprised he played after just one training session Suspect if it had been a league game he wouldn't have done
He should be fine after a weeks training
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2024 10:52:54 GMT
Thought it was a good idea to play him, Schumachers priority is the league. It gives Bonham a breather and gives the manager and coaches an opportunity to assess Iversen. I’d have been surprised if he had not played him to be honest. I’m sure Bonham will be back in for the Rotherham game.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 7, 2024 10:58:07 GMT
Thought it was a good idea to play him, Schumachers priority is the league. It gives Bonham a breather and gives the manager and coaches an opportunity to assess Iversen. I’d have been surprised if he had not played him to be honest. I’m sure Bonham will be back in for the Rotherham game. Can’t see Bonham playing again unless an injury to Iverson
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Post by leicspotter on Jan 7, 2024 11:45:27 GMT
Bit surprised he played after just one training session Suspect if it had been a league game he wouldn't have doneHe should be fine after a weeks training I think this the crux, he was always going to be rusty, so let him start to iron out the wrinkles in a game we were expected to lose. It takes time for keepers and defenders to gel, so this was a good start...good in the sense that everyone will have learned a lot...not in how it all panned out My guess is he will start at Rotherham, and my hope is that he will be very good for us
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 7, 2024 12:13:32 GMT
Thought it was a good idea to play him, Schumachers priority is the league. It gives Bonham a breather and gives the manager and coaches an opportunity to assess Iversen. I’d have been surprised if he had not played him to be honest. I’m sure Bonham will be back in for the Rotherham game. Can’t see Bonham playing again unless an injury to Iverson Doesn’t really set a good precedent, does it? Bonham hasn’t done much wrong in the last few games. Throwing in Iversen (who did plenty wrong vs Brighton) seems unjust. Bonham should be out when he next drops a clanger.
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Post by jokker on Jan 7, 2024 12:22:10 GMT
Amazing. The Bonham Appreciation Society finally commences 2½ years after he signed with very little appreciation at the time and after thread upon thread demanding a replacement. He gets replaced and what happens? The fans demand he returns to the team...
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Post by mistergumby on Jan 7, 2024 12:22:42 GMT
Welcome to Stoke, Daniel.
On the basis of your first game being against one of the top 10 clubs in the UK and despite having been through the door for one day and playing behind possibly the worst defence in the league, here's my assessment of your performance.
You're slow to react.
You can't kick a ball.
You're wank.
Now fuck off.
Thanks for nothing.
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Post by ravey123 on Jan 7, 2024 12:31:49 GMT
Should have done better with the 3rd goal. None of the others really though. McNally doesn’t come out with his head held high for most of those goals. I noticed that ref McNally too. He got beaten by his man for goals 2 and 3, turned his back for their first when he was supposed to be blocking the shot and made a half arsed attempt at a block for the 4th
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 7, 2024 12:33:59 GMT
Amazing. The Bonham Appreciation Society finally commences 2½ years after he signed with very little appreciation at the time and after thread upon thread demanding a replacement. He gets replaced and what happens? The fans demand he returns to the team... I’ve always said that Bonham isn’t this awful goalkeeper that people like to make out. I think Iversen will replace him and once he does, he won’t lose that spot until the end of the season. I don’t think it’s fair to drop a player who hasn’t played poorly since coming into the team for someone else right away. If Iversen had played and had a worldie, then there would have been a better argument for it. You should have to earn a place in the team. That requires Bonham to screw up while Iversen is an option, or Iversen to put in performances that Bonham could only dream of.
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Post by ceejays on Jan 7, 2024 12:48:25 GMT
Or it’s just getting the facts right . Namely some on this board said he had a good game . Clearly driven by their own agendas. He clearly was very rusty and that’s not a surprise. That’s not to say he won’t soon get up to speed . Rather like the horizon scandal of defending your own position when you know very well you are wrong . Bonham has been unjustly vilified on this board by people who can’t admit they were wrong.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 7, 2024 13:32:15 GMT
Can’t see Bonham playing again unless an injury to Iverson Doesn’t really set a good precedent, does it? Bonham hasn’t done much wrong in the last few games. Throwing in Iversen (who did plenty wrong vs Brighton) seems unjust. Bonham should be out when he next drops a clanger. Yea I get that. But we’ve not got Iverson in to sit on the bench, harsh but we need him straight in.
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Post by milky on Jan 7, 2024 13:35:47 GMT
The 1st and 3rd maybe he makes a better fist of if he had been playing regularly.
We will never know though.
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Post by thornestein on Jan 7, 2024 13:40:21 GMT
The 1st and 3rd maybe he makes a better fist of if he had been playing regularly. We will never know though. i’ve just watched the goals and can’t blame him for any , Bonham wouldn’t have saved them either
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 7, 2024 13:47:20 GMT
I see people are judging Iversen on one appearance. Typical Oatcake standards, Iversen is better than Bonham and we will all see that in a few games time. Imagine judging a keeper on one FA CUP game after not playing for months. I have no issue with what you’ve typed, but let’s not pretend every mishit clearance, parry back into the danger area, and punch from a cross from Bonham doesn’t get analysed to the nth degree. Iversen’s honoured to be getting 90 minutes grace…..
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Post by baconburger on Jan 7, 2024 13:52:58 GMT
I guess Iversen was never coming as back up, but shouldn't have started yesterday. Bonham may or may not have saved any of the goals, but the communication between defence and keeper would have been so much better. And then Iverson would have been knocking off rust in a league game. No thanks it was a useful exercise.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 7, 2024 13:59:47 GMT
The 1st and 3rd maybe he makes a better fist of if he had been playing regularly. We will never know though. i’ve just watched the goals and can’t blame him for any , Bonham wouldn’t have saved them either Just about to post the same. Not a prayer with Estupinan's goal. Second goal, McNally lost Dunk and he headed in from a few yards out. Third goal, he got a hand to it, but he was at full stretch and it would have been an incredible save for me. Fourth goal, Hoever was wrong side, the ball swings in from their right flank and Pedro gets something on it to send the ball back across goal- keeper has no chance.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2024 14:00:08 GMT
Bit surprised he played after just one training session Suspect if it had been a league game he wouldn't have done He should be fine after a weeks training Why will a week of training help? He’s not been injured. He’s been training daily at Leicester.
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Post by lordb on Jan 7, 2024 14:06:39 GMT
Bit surprised he played after just one training session Suspect if it had been a league game he wouldn't have done He should be fine after a weeks training Why will a week of training help? He’s not been injured. He’s been training daily at Leicester. Will help re communicating with his defence
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 7, 2024 14:24:32 GMT
What did you make of his debut then Dave?
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Post by liathroid on Jan 7, 2024 14:26:12 GMT
Why will a week of training help? He’s not been injured. He’s been training daily at Leicester. Will help re communicating with his defence dont pass it back to my left foot ffs
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Post by baconburger on Jan 7, 2024 14:28:08 GMT
Why will a week of training help? He’s not been injured. He’s been training daily at Leicester. Will help re communicating with his defence I feared a rustier performance than we got and I’m glad we got it out of the way not left it for a league game. As johnno says he’s been training daily but it hasn’t and wouldn’t get him match sharp no matter how long he continued to do it and with whom.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 7, 2024 14:41:25 GMT
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Post by ceejays on Jan 7, 2024 15:00:13 GMT
Let’s get the facts right . First goal McNally only partially closed down . Wasn’t brave enough to take one for the team . Semi turned his back . Second goal . Iversen rushed out of his goal to handle a through ball . Clearly wasn’t going to make it and McNally came to his rescue and conceded a corner . Iversen acknowledged his error to McNally . Then we didn’t challenge a short corner routine and they scored . Impossible to defend against a centre so close to goal . Indeed a few minutes later they did the same . This was a tactical error as Brighton did a short corner routine in the first half . It should have been sorted then . Third goal McNally body position wrong but Iversen should have saved . To understand that you have to see the replay from behind the goal . Fourth goal Hoever wrong side of his man as has been stated . So Iversen could have done better for goals two and three .
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