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Post by deeside2 on Aug 18, 2022 4:39:33 GMT
1 - we got an extremely lucky draw in spite of him not because of him.
We were totally outplayed by Boro and "deserved" absolutely nothing from that game. We look devoid of any plan, and it's just slow, turgid, boring, aimless dross game after game. He's utterly inspiring and looks completely out of his depth, and has started turning on the fans now which never ends well. He has to go.
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Post by knype on Aug 18, 2022 4:45:40 GMT
1 from me just for salvaging a point more by luck than judgement, we were outplayed all game and if they had their shooting boots on could and should have been a good 3 or 4 goals in front. Tonight was one of the worst performances I have seen for many a year, in fact it was utterly depressing, to be dominated so much by Boro at home like we were is just not on.
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Post by moon on Aug 18, 2022 5:08:21 GMT
1 from me, we’ve seen some dire football over the last 5 years but that was amongst the worst of it. We didn’t deserve a point, Boro could’ve easily put 5 past us if they could finish.
We looked completely clueless out there, as bad as NJ’s diamond, perhaps even worse. He really needs to sign some full backs so we have another option, he can’t blame this on injuries, it his his squad and he has prioritised ST, CM, and CB above other positions. Going into the season without adequate cover for the wing backs is madness, and instead of signing actual full backs or wing backs he tries to play central midfielders or wingers there, it is insane.
He has signed some good players in his time here, but the balance of the squad is all wrong, it’s square pegs round holes whatever formation we play when there just one injury at LWB/RWB.
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Post by stokie1947 on Aug 18, 2022 8:00:34 GMT
the bloke is clueless 0
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Post by samblano on Aug 18, 2022 8:04:09 GMT
-1
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 18, 2022 11:13:21 GMT
0. I'm starting to run out of 0s.
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 18, 2022 13:14:31 GMT
4 from me because he went three up front at the end to keep their central defenders back on their heels, something he should have done much earlier. Fortunately, it resulted in Wright-Philips scoring a super goal and gaining us a valuable point. And then we have to look at the opposition. 'Boro only just missed the play-offs last season and they're a decent side. Wilder is a good manager and 'Boro have a good team despite their position in the league. (They'll be in or up near the top six at the end of the season.) I'm not a manager but I would like to sit down with MON and discuss why he sticks to a wingback system when he has no proper wingbacks. It's baffling. The curse of bad injuries to key players is hitting us again and we have kids and inferior players filling their places. We were outplayed by a better side last night but managed to take a valuable point in the final minute. O'Neil commented on the final whistle and the booing at the end and I would also have said the same thing. I don't ever recall a last minute goal to salvage a point, bringing about massive celebrations, and then it being followed by booing 30 seconds later as the game ended. That's a new one on me. Normally, fans would have just walked away after the game, relieved that we'd scraped a point out of a poor performance but I reckon the hate for O'Neil is becoming as deep as it was for Jones just before he was sacked. It's a funny old game when we now have to rely on a 19 year old to pull us out of the shit. For MON's sake, I just hope it happens. If it doesn't, he's a goner.
OS.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 18, 2022 15:18:00 GMT
Boro were the best opposition I have seen at Stoke for many a year! fast, fit , skilful, aggressive good to watch, and there won't be another team play like that all seasonn.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 18, 2022 15:25:55 GMT
2
The starting line up was a shitshow. Even with our injuries the logic of playing Clucas, Smallbone and Baker in midfield played out exactly as I expected it to before the game, we were just getting walked through and it was embarrassing.
The subs changed the game and that’s why he gets a 2 rather than 0 even it was probably more luck than tactical nous.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Aug 18, 2022 15:32:48 GMT
3 - because we didn’t lose.
It’s been said so much. Appalling management for the 5 at the back system with a fourth choice midfielder and new winger playing wing back positions. Nah bollocks I’m giving 2 because of his clueless approach and reluctance/lack of ambition to change!
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 18, 2022 16:01:34 GMT
3 from me
Was a 0 until around 10 minutes to go with the wretched formation and too much space awarded for Giles and Jones
However Kilkenny worked as did DWP and Sparrow so he has to have some credit for that
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 18, 2022 16:03:33 GMT
2 The starting line up was a shitshow. Even with our injuries the logic of playing Clucas, Smallbone and Baker in midfield played out exactly as I expected it to before the game, we were just getting walked through and it was embarrassing. The subs changed the game and that’s why he gets a 2 rather than 0 even it was probably more luck than tactical nous. I just don't get the playing of Clucas, Kilkenny was far more tidy when he came on
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Post by a on Aug 18, 2022 16:05:12 GMT
-302736929/10 Biggest I'm the sassiest drama queen out of all of you. Is this deflecting because he was shite? Seems like it.
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Post by theonlooker on Aug 18, 2022 16:10:06 GMT
It was a poor performance from the players and the manager must be fuming. He certainly looked it on the touchline.
I have to give him huge credit for snatching a draw from the jaws of defeat, and tactically out coaching Wilder in the last section of the game, who looked flummoxed at the end.
It's a damn good side and manager that can pick up points whilst playing so poorly.
A solid 6.
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Post by bangorstokie on Aug 18, 2022 16:18:56 GMT
Boro were the best opposition I have seen at Stoke for many a year! fast, fit , skilful, aggressive good to watch, and there won't be another team play like that all seasonn. Have a look at the Sheffield Utd v Sunderland highlights. Fast flowing football by Sheffield Utd. They’ll tear us a new arsehole if MON is still here when we play them.
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Post by mrrine on Aug 18, 2022 16:43:49 GMT
Now I'm not a fan - look at any of my posts.
I thought this was a big improvement on Millwall and Huddeersfeild.
I'd be hard pressed to not give a 4 - we actually tried to play football at times.
OP is right re: defensive set up which was atrocious.
He is clueless without powell in the side.
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Post by gawa on Aug 18, 2022 16:53:34 GMT
-302736929/10 Biggest I'm the sassiest drama queen out of all of you. Is this deflecting because he was shite? Seems like it. Nah I'm just saying it how it is. This thread is generally just people being a drama queen. Even you know yourself it's not a 0, 1 or 2 out of 10.
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Post by iamstokie on Aug 18, 2022 16:57:36 GMT
1 - he’s just a shite manger and all you arse kissers can do one as I don’t give a fuck about your opinion like you don’t give a fuck about anyone else’s lol
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 18, 2022 17:05:47 GMT
I thought this was a big improvement on Millwall and Huddeersfeild. Seriously??
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Post by mrrine on Aug 18, 2022 17:22:18 GMT
I thought this was a big improvement on Millwall and Huddeersfeild. Seriously?? Everything in my post was serious. Millwall / Huddersfeild were 1/10 and 0/10 Yesterday the attackers attacked and had fewer long balls lumped up to them. The intent was there. It was not there for the above mentioned.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 18, 2022 17:26:11 GMT
fuck all squared
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Post by leicspotter on Aug 18, 2022 17:55:06 GMT
4 from me because he went three up front at the end to keep their central defenders back on their heels, something he should have done much earlier. Fortunately, it resulted in Wright-Philips scoring a super goal and gaining us a valuable point. And then we have to look at the opposition. 'Boro only just missed the play-offs last season and they're a decent side. Wilder is a good manager and 'Boro have a good team despite their position in the league. (They'll be in or up near the top six at the end of the season.) I'm not a manager but I would like to sit down with MON and discuss why he sticks to a wingback system when he has no proper wingbacks. It's baffling. The curse of bad injuries to key players is hitting us again and we have kids and inferior players filling their places. We were outplayed by a better side last night but managed to take a valuable point in the final minute. O'Neil commented on the final whistle and the booing at the end and I would also have said the same thing. I don't ever recall a last minute goal to salvage a point, bringing about massive celebrations, and then it being followed by booing 30 seconds later as the game ended. That's a new one on me. Normally, fans would have just walked away after the game, relieved that we'd scraped a point out of a poor performance but I reckon the hate for O'Neil is becoming as deep as it was for Jones just before he was sacked. It's a funny old game when we now have to rely on a 19 year old to pull us out of the shit. For MON's sake, I just hope it happens. If it doesn't, he's a goner. OS. Spot on Mick. The players we do have fit are better than that performance, and would show it if they were allowed to play in a system that suits them. We used to have pages and pages on here about square pegs and round holes...I think MON has started to fill the holes in and the pegs are falling over
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Post by a on Aug 18, 2022 18:02:34 GMT
Is this deflecting because he was shite? Seems like it. Nah I'm just saying it how it is. This thread is generally just people being a drama queen. Even you know yourself it's not a 0, 1 or 2 out of 10. I dunno, I don’t think a 3 is being too harsh! 😂
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Post by matelot1996 on Aug 18, 2022 18:09:38 GMT
ALERT!! Incoming 7/10’s from ‘loyal supporters’ Edit: 3 from me I said 7/10 not because I’m a loyal supporter or delusional. Believe me in the first to say stoke are wank but I genuinely think there’s a massive over reaction going on here based on tonigh Anyone giving 7/10 after that “performance” simply does not understand how the scoring system works. Beating Watford away with good football would warrant a 7 or 8. Beating Man City away in the cup is 9 or 10. Drawing at home to Boro playing like you are scared of your own shadows and severely lacking any redeeming footballing qualities is a 3 or 4 at best.
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Post by gawa on Aug 18, 2022 18:10:42 GMT
Nah I'm just saying it how it is. This thread is generally just people being a drama queen. Even you know yourself it's not a 0, 1 or 2 out of 10. I dunno, I don’t think a 3 is being too harsh! 😂 You know what I could understand a 3 too at least its realistic. For me I'm not sure if truth be told. If it was based on the first 70 minutes though probably a 4 with potential to go lower. But he changed it, and it worked, and for that I'd probably be 5-6. But without those changes it could easily have been 4 or less.
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Post by gawa on Aug 18, 2022 18:15:15 GMT
I said 7/10 not because I’m a loyal supporter or delusional. Believe me in the first to say stoke are wank but I genuinely think there’s a massive over reaction going on here based on tonigh Anyone giving 7/10 after that “performance” simply does not understand how the scoring system works. Beating Watford away with good football would warrant a 7 or 8. Beating Man City away in the cup is 9 or 10. Drawing at home to Boro playing like you are scared of your own shadows and severely lacking any redeeming footballing qualities is a 3 or 4 at best. I don't think you understand how it works based on that either. Your example suggests the only way to get a 9 or 10 is to best the best team in the country (and possibly Europe) away from home in the cup. If that's the case then you're only using a scale of 1-10 on a small fraction of games. You said yourself beating the best team in the division away from home is a 7 or 8. So the scale may as well be rate the manager out of 8 for all championship games if that's the max score that can be achieved.
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Post by matelot1996 on Aug 18, 2022 18:23:58 GMT
Anyone giving 7/10 after that “performance” simply does not understand how the scoring system works. Beating Watford away with good football would warrant a 7 or 8. Beating Man City away in the cup is 9 or 10. Drawing at home to Boro playing like you are scared of your own shadows and severely lacking any redeeming footballing qualities is a 3 or 4 at best. I don't think you understand how it works based on that either. Your example suggests the only way to get a 9 or 10 is to best the best team in the country away from home in the cup (and possibly Europe). If that's the case then you're only using a scale of 1-10 on a small fraction of games. You said yourself beating the best team in the division away from home is a 7 or 8. So the scale may as well be rate the manager out of 8 for all championship games if that's the max score that can be achieved. It’s called being objective. That’s my view on the scoring system. Absolute maximum points are for performances and results that CANNOT BE BETTERED, so I stand by that. Equally 7 or 8 for a Watford win away. The main point is still, Anyone who genuinely believes that last night was a 7/10 performance is not worth arguing with. It’s a “Bat-Shit-Crazy” assessment of the whole sorrowful Evening.
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Post by gawa on Aug 18, 2022 18:45:04 GMT
I don't think you understand how it works based on that either. Your example suggests the only way to get a 9 or 10 is to best the best team in the country away from home in the cup (and possibly Europe). If that's the case then you're only using a scale of 1-10 on a small fraction of games. You said yourself beating the best team in the division away from home is a 7 or 8. So the scale may as well be rate the manager out of 8 for all championship games if that's the max score that can be achieved. It’s called being objective. That’s my view on the scoring system. Absolute maximum points are for performances and results that CANNOT BE BETTERED, so I stand by that. Equally 7 or 8 for a Watford win away. The main point is still, Anyone who genuinely believes that last night was a 7/10 performance is not worth arguing with. It’s a “Bat-Shit-Crazy” assessment of the whole sorrowful Evening. But you're not being objective? You're trying to say that the only way a manager in this division can score a 9 or a 10, in a rating scaled 1 to 10, is to beat the best time in the country away from home in the cup. And if you have a good performance away from home beating the best team in the division that's a 7 or 8 out of 10. So by your scale not a single manager scored more than an average 6/10 in these midweek games. I agree last night wasn't a 7/10 and that's why I didn't rate the manager 7/10. That's not were discussing here though as we already agree on that.
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Post by matelot1996 on Aug 18, 2022 19:06:21 GMT
It’s called being objective. That’s my view on the scoring system. Absolute maximum points are for performances and results that CANNOT BE BETTERED, so I stand by that. Equally 7 or 8 for a Watford win away. The main point is still, Anyone who genuinely believes that last night was a 7/10 performance is not worth arguing with. It’s a “Bat-Shit-Crazy” assessment of the whole sorrowful Evening. But you're not being objective? You're trying to say that the only way a manager in this division can score a 9 or a 10, in a rating scaled 1 to 10, is to beat the best time in the country away from home in the cup. And if you have a good performance away from home beating the best team in the division that's a 7 or 8 out of 10. So by your scale not a single manager scored more than an average 6/10 in these midweek games. I agree last night wasn't a 7/10 and that's why I didn't rate the manager 7/10. That's not were discussing here though as we already agree on that. You are being obtuse. Obviously 10 is achievable. Beat West Brom Away 5-0 whilst playing amazing Football might be one case. Watford was an objective example of an 8. Focus on the main point here. LAST NIGHT WAS NOT A 7/10. Not even close. End of.
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Post by gawa on Aug 18, 2022 19:09:44 GMT
But you're not being objective? You're trying to say that the only way a manager in this division can score a 9 or a 10, in a rating scaled 1 to 10, is to beat the best time in the country away from home in the cup. And if you have a good performance away from home beating the best team in the division that's a 7 or 8 out of 10. So by your scale not a single manager scored more than an average 6/10 in these midweek games. I agree last night wasn't a 7/10 and that's why I didn't rate the manager 7/10. That's not were discussing here though as we already agree on that. You are being obtuse. Obviously 10 is achievable. Beat West Brom Away 5-0 whilst playing amazing Football might be one case. Watford was an objective example of an 8. Focus on the main point here. LAST NIGHT WAS NOT A 7/10. Not even close. End of. Why don't you put the same effort into correcting Fuck Off/10 and 0/10 though if you're being objective? An objective approach would be to call out all ratings which are an exageration. As you're only calling out results at one side of the scale, I don't feel you're being objective or you'd be explaining to others what a 0/10 and 1/10 performance is. End of.
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