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Post by wakeypotter on Jul 3, 2022 10:27:40 GMT
My hopes rest on him having confidence in Tymon as a LB. Clarke is tall for a RB and started out as a CB I think so should be ideal. I think a lot of the sticking with three CBs last season after Souttar's injury was down to him not trusting Smith as a RB (rightly so in my opinion) not so much Tymon at LB. I think every time we played with a four he shoehorned either Wilmot or THB there didn't he? We'll probably have more idea when and if we bring in a wide forward. I still think we'll largely be a back three/five. But I think it may be more of a 3-4-3, so Campbell can play on the right. But I've got no idea where Brown and Powell feature in that, especially if we do sign a target man and another JPB-like option for the left. Only room for any 2 of Kilkenny, Baker and Laurent too, who will all see themselves as integral. So still a lot up in the air wen trying to work out what the plan is. I think the identity of the target man will make or break everything. Apart from Andy Carroll and Liam Delap, it's hard to think of any obvious potential targets on our apparent budget of frees and loans. Very few options from abroad could get a work permit either. Can’t remember where Carroll went but I would have been in for him. Very few players like Carroll he gives you another option
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Post by stokiemac on Jul 3, 2022 10:29:53 GMT
My view is we are a goalscorer short of a promotion challenge. Currently I can see us drawing too many.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 3, 2022 10:30:19 GMT
I still think we'll largely be a back three/five. But I think it may be more of a 3-4-3, so Campbell can play on the right. But I've got no idea where Brown and Powell feature in that, especially if we do sign a target man and another JPB-like option for the left. Only room for any 2 of Kilkenny, Baker and Laurent too, who will all see themselves as integral. So still a lot up in the air wen trying to work out what the plan is. I think the identity of the target man will make or break everything. Apart from Andy Carroll and Liam Delap, it's hard to think of any obvious potential targets on our apparent budget of frees and loans. Very few options from abroad could get a work permit either. Can’t remember where Carroll went but I would have been in for him. Very few players like Carroll he gives you another option He went on some kind of trial/meeting with Club Brugge, but they didn't sign him. Don't know why. Not sure he's the type who would start 30 games though.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jul 3, 2022 10:37:14 GMT
Can’t remember where Carroll went but I would have been in for him. Very few players like Carroll he gives you another option He went on some kind of trial/meeting with Club Brugge, but they didn't sign him. Don't know why. Not sure he's the type who would start 30 games though. Arr right didn’t realise that. I’m sure he would be a good option and you would think for little money. Yeh he’s not got any pace but like you say to maybe be involved in 50% of games would be a good plan b
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Post by GallysGuitar on Jul 3, 2022 10:38:58 GMT
Still think we need a young, ideally quick, left-footed CB, who can play in a 3. With Souttar being eased back, I don’t have much confidence in a Flint-Jagielka combination.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 3, 2022 10:42:14 GMT
He went on some kind of trial/meeting with Club Brugge, but they didn't sign him. Don't know why. Not sure he's the type who would start 30 games though. Arr right didn’t realise that. I’m sure he would be a good option and you would think for little money. Yeh he’s not got any pace but like you say to maybe be involved in 50% of games would be a good plan b Yeah, I'm sure he's on the list somewhere. Suppose it depends if we're after a Plan B or think we need a physically bigger, stronger option as a Plan A to start most games if we don't think Brown can lead the line on his own, or be an effective partner to Campbell. And I don't think he can really. Most teams at our level would probably take Davis from Villa, but that one will probably come to a head at the end of the window if Forest still don't want him and they need to loan him out again
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Post by wakeypotter on Jul 3, 2022 10:56:19 GMT
Arr right didn’t realise that. I’m sure he would be a good option and you would think for little money. Yeh he’s not got any pace but like you say to maybe be involved in 50% of games would be a good plan b Yeah, I'm sure he's on the list somewhere. Suppose it depends if we're after a Plan B or think we need a physically bigger, stronger option as a Plan A to start most games if we don't think Brown can lead the line on his own, or be an effective partner to Campbell. And I don't think he can really. Most teams at our level would probably take Davis from Villa, but that one will probably come to a head at the end of the window if Forest still don't want him and they need to loan him out again Yeh we need someone as a plan A first and yeh Davis would fit that bill although he doesn’t score enough for me but he has the attributes for what we need I take it Forest not gone in for him. I would take them both which would gives options with Campbell and brown
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 3, 2022 11:05:10 GMT
Yeah, I'm sure he's on the list somewhere. Suppose it depends if we're after a Plan B or think we need a physically bigger, stronger option as a Plan A to start most games if we don't think Brown can lead the line on his own, or be an effective partner to Campbell. And I don't think he can really. Most teams at our level would probably take Davis from Villa, but that one will probably come to a head at the end of the window if Forest still don't want him and they need to loan him out again Yeh we need someone as a plan A first and yeh Davis would fit that bill although he doesn’t score enough for me but he has the attributes for what we need I take it Forest not gone in for him. I would take them both which would gives options with Campbell and brown Forest signed a Nigerian striker who's a similar type of player I think for about £17m. So dunno whether they'd want them both? It's tough to see where he may end up because no Prem team would probably think he was good enough, and no Champ clubs could afford him, certainly ones who are looking for a new main man. Maybe he could be back-up at Villa if they let Archer go out, but they probably want to move him on this summer while his value is high and he's got 2 yrs left on his contract. But maybe they'll have to loan him out if there's nobody prepared to put big money down for him. We know MON would like him because he really wanted him this time last year, so you never know. Not really sure where Maja fits into things either.
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Post by AlliG on Jul 3, 2022 11:14:17 GMT
Can’t remember where Carroll went but I would have been in for him. Very few players like Carroll he gives you another option He went on some kind of trial/meeting with Club Brugge, but they didn't sign him. Don't know why. Not sure he's the type who would start 30 games though. He failed his fitness test (Quelle surprise!)
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Post by telfordstokie on Jul 3, 2022 11:39:47 GMT
I’m pleased we seem to have a decent strategy this year and are building what seems to be a more cohesive and younger squad on a lower wage bill than last season.
Hopefully Burnley sell Collins soon and we can spend some money on a forward (no idea who!) to make us competitive for the top 6.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jul 3, 2022 11:46:51 GMT
Yeh we need someone as a plan A first and yeh Davis would fit that bill although he doesn’t score enough for me but he has the attributes for what we need I take it Forest not gone in for him. I would take them both which would gives options with Campbell and brown Forest signed a Nigerian striker who's a similar type of player I think for about £17m. So dunno whether they'd want them both? It's tough to see where he may end up because no Prem team would probably think he was good enough, and no Champ clubs could afford him, certainly ones who are looking for a new main man. Maybe he could be back-up at Villa if they let Archer go out, but they probably want to move him on this summer while his value is high and he's got 2 yrs left on his contract. But maybe they'll have to loan him out if there's nobody prepared to put big money down for him. We know MON would like him because he really wanted him this time last year, so you never know. Not really sure where Maja fits into things either. Yeh it sounds like he’s in limbo again really We will see what happens in the coming weeks but we need at least one forward
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Post by logdog on Jul 3, 2022 11:50:22 GMT
I don’t get the school of thought behind gambling on Carroll. Sure, on his day he is exactly what we need, but you are talking about someone who averages under 20 games a season (tops) over his 16 year career. Add to that he is knocking on so his body will be failing even more so. Even on a pay as you play gig, he takes up another squad place. There must be better options out there. People will be moaning their bags off (again) when he’s sitting in the stands for months at a time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2022 12:16:29 GMT
Still think João from Reading would be ideal. Decent goal record too and in last year of his contract.
Besiktas reportedly tabled bid of £2.5 million but he's not gone yet has he?
Could be all down to the Collins money or if we sell someone else.
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Post by MilanStokie on Jul 3, 2022 12:21:55 GMT
MON is building a team that can not only get us promoted but will be able to stay up with obviously a few additions. Im getting excited and just hope we get off to a decent start and build momentum. Who do you think has PL quality? Powell definitely. Souttar probably. Baker probably. Campbell on a good day. Who did we have in 2008? Arguably 2-3 and they weren't proven really. Try to answer it without looking at it in hindsight.
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Jul 3, 2022 12:30:26 GMT
MON is building a team that can not only get us promoted but will be able to stay up with obviously a few additions. Im getting excited and just hope we get off to a decent start and build momentum. Don't underestimate the gulf between PL and Championship. Clubs like Brighton, who we'd be looking to emulate, have some really top players. If this current squad gets us promoted somehow, we'll need serious investment.
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Post by palerider on Jul 3, 2022 12:32:30 GMT
Don’t have a scoobie who half the team is now so I’m reserving my judgment until 10 games have been played
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Post by crouchbot on Jul 3, 2022 12:33:08 GMT
Who do you think has PL quality? Powell definitely. Souttar probably. Baker probably. Campbell on a good day. Who did we have in 2008? Arguably 2-3 and they weren't proven really. Try to answer it without looking at it in hindsight. Yeah, we probably hoped rather than expected that Fuller and Lawrence would make the step up. Shawcross was the other we probably hoped could do it. We did have an absolute cheat code in Delap though.
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Post by dirtclod on Jul 3, 2022 12:36:00 GMT
Huge gulf. We need to worry about getting out of the Championship first. That's tricky enough on its own.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2022 12:42:17 GMT
MON is building a team that can not only get us promoted but will be able to stay up with obviously a few additions. Im getting excited and just hope we get off to a decent start and build momentum. Don't underestimate the gulf between PL and Championship. Clubs like Brighton, who we'd be looking to emulate, have some really top players. If this current squad gets us promoted somehow, we'll need serious investment. So does any team that is promoted. Brighton didn't get that side in one season.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 3, 2022 12:44:38 GMT
Why is everyone so obsessed with a ‘target man’? Name me one!
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Post by boweryboy on Jul 3, 2022 12:49:28 GMT
Same as last season under O'Neill unfortunately, nothing to see here!!
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 3, 2022 12:50:20 GMT
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Post by gcamoutsideboot on Jul 3, 2022 12:55:28 GMT
Why is everyone so obsessed with a ‘target man’? Name me one! Keinan Davis, Kieffer Moore, Kenneth Zohore, Andy Carroll, Lucas João, Gary Madine to name a few
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2022 12:56:07 GMT
Why is everyone so obsessed with a ‘target man’? Name me one! Keinan Davis, Kieffer Moore, Kenneth Zohore, Andy Carroll, Lucas João, Gary Madine to name a few Apart from those....name him one
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Post by Timmy on Jul 3, 2022 13:00:36 GMT
Keinan Davis, Kieffer Moore, Kenneth Zohore, Andy Carroll, Lucas João, Gary Madine to name a few Apart from those....name him one Harry Kane
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 3, 2022 13:01:26 GMT
Why is everyone so obsessed with a ‘target man’? Name me one! Keinan Davis, Kieffer Moore, Kenneth Zohore, Andy Carroll, Lucas João, Gary Madine to name a few Yeah - and we know he's seriously tried to sign Lyndon Dykes and Kieffer Moore too. So he's definitely got form for liking that type. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-qpr-transfer-lyndon-dykes-5363774“I met Lyndon, a nice boy,” said O’Neill. “He was an option we looked at. At the same time we were speaking to Kieffer Moore but both deals got a bit expensive to be honest. “We just felt that maybe they were a little bit similar to Steven Fletcher, who we already had in the building at that point in time. Then Jacob (Brown) was available and he was a different type of player than either, more of a runner and he works very hard for the team. We felt that taking Fletcher, as we did, then maybe Jacob was more suited to us at that point in time.
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 3, 2022 13:14:46 GMT
Why is everyone so obsessed with a ‘target man’? Name me one! There’s loads of lumps we could sign. I suppose another question would be name a mobile, strong target man who can lead the line, bring others into play, score, create and help defend our own box from set pieces. Oh and they’ve got to be free transfers on low wages.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 3, 2022 13:20:57 GMT
Most teams in our league will be on a massively restricted budget, so only certain types will be available.
We may be waiting for the sale of Bursik(?), or more likely the Collins sell-on money so we can make the key addition up front from a slightly different level.
But I still can't think of many names.
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Post by hyaduck on Jul 3, 2022 13:22:10 GMT
Don't underestimate the gulf between PL and Championship. Clubs like Brighton, who we'd be looking to emulate, have some really top players. If this current squad gets us promoted somehow, we'll need serious investment. So does any team that is promoted. Brighton didn't get that side in one season. Look who their manager is and look who we have. Do you seriously think O’Neill can, firstly get us outta this league and secondly get stability in the premier league???? Who’re you kidding!!!!!
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Post by banksy1art on Jul 3, 2022 13:30:21 GMT
So does any team that is promoted. Brighton didn't get that side in one season. Look who their manager is and look who we have. Do you seriously think O’Neill can, firstly get us outta this league and secondly get stability in the premier league???? Who’re you kidding!!!!! you need a rest
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