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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 20, 2022 13:35:13 GMT
Did you actually watch the game? We looked very ordinary ourselves it was not an inspiring performance. In the circumstances, our run of form I suppose that was very unlikely but it wasn’t a performance to fill you with confidence. To me, we controlled the game, did much more attacking than they did and although the end product was somewhat lacking, it was an easy win. Just exactly what do you mean when you say we looked ordinary? Does it mean that we did not put together several Marradonnaesque solo runs or Beckhamesque free kicks? Is an ordinary performance for Real Madrid the same as an ordinary performance for Stoke? What would have to have occurred for it to be judged extraordinary? Should we actually take ordinary as a compliment? No just comparing Stoke performances mainly this season, mainly at home. The impressive performances have been few and far between but they do exist. The most recent one being Swansea at home. Our play was less fluent, the game less entertaining and just generally sent you away glad of a win to break the cycle but with far less to feel optimistic about than what I’d describe as a good performance. We simply haven’t reached the potential of the group on anywhere near enough occasions this season particularly at home.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 20, 2022 13:44:35 GMT
Did you actually watch the game? We looked very ordinary ourselves it was not an inspiring performance. In the circumstances, our run of form I suppose that was very unlikely but it wasn’t a performance to fill you with confidence. We had complete control of the game for the vast majority of it, we were still wasteful and our decision making was still lacking at times but we were the dominant team pretty much from start to finish. You’re never going to blow teams like Millwall away when their team is built on a solid defensive unit…… We gave the ball away a lot under no particular pressure. Uncharacteristicly Vrancic and Baker more so than the usual culprit Allen. Some of it was just players that aren’t very good doing the things you’ve come to expect but also as mentioned uncharacteristic sloppiness from our better players. Millwall are not a good team but to be fair I haven’t seen one in the flesh this season having missed the Fulham game. I can honestly say I haven’t seen a single team this season that our best game doesn’t beat which just makes the actual performances and outcomes all the more disappointing and annoying.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 20, 2022 20:12:00 GMT
That has bumped our win percentage this year up from 14% to 20% in the league. 👍👍👍 Me thinks your math needs a little extra work. We had 12 wins out of 37 games. Now it’s 13 wins out of 38 games. 14% of 37 is about 4 wins and 20% of 38is about 7.6 wins. How exactly do we record point six of a win?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 20, 2022 20:24:52 GMT
We had complete control of the game for the vast majority of it, we were still wasteful and our decision making was still lacking at times but we were the dominant team pretty much from start to finish. You’re never going to blow teams like Millwall away when their team is built on a solid defensive unit…… We gave the ball away a lot under no particular pressure. Uncharacteristicly Vrancic and Baker more so than the usual culprit Allen. Some of it was just players that aren’t very good doing the things you’ve come to expect but also as mentioned uncharacteristic sloppiness from our better players. Millwall are not a good team but to be fair I haven’t seen one in the flesh this season having missed the Fulham game. I can honestly say I haven’t seen a single team this season that our best game doesn’t beat which just makes the actual performances and outcomes all the more disappointing and annoying. The difference is millwall are passive they sit in Luton and Blackpool both got in our faces with athleticism snd physicality so we couldn’t dominate the ball millwall let’s us hsve it abd or cost them , Sheffield United will be a interesting benchmark
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Post by neddy on Mar 20, 2022 20:52:34 GMT
We gave the ball away a lot under no particular pressure. Uncharacteristicly Vrancic and Baker more so than the usual culprit Allen. Some of it was just players that aren’t very good doing the things you’ve come to expect but also as mentioned uncharacteristic sloppiness from our better players. Millwall are not a good team but to be fair I haven’t seen one in the flesh this season having missed the Fulham game. I can honestly say I haven’t seen a single team this season that our best game doesn’t beat which just makes the actual performances and outcomes all the more disappointing and annoying. The difference is millwall are passive they sit in Luton and Blackpool both got in our faces with athleticism snd physicality so we couldn’t dominate the ball millwall let’s us hsve it abd or cost them , Sheffield United will be a interesting benchmark Agreed mate…..Millwall didn’t press us at all an d Blackpool did. It made all the difference. Not sure how Sheff Utd play.
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Post by a on Mar 20, 2022 23:07:43 GMT
That has bumped our win percentage this year up from 14% to 20% in the league. 👍👍👍 Me thinks your math needs a little extra work. We had 12 wins out of 37 games. Now it’s 13 wins out of 38 games. 14% of 37 is about 4 wins and 20% of 38is about 7.6 wins. How exactly do we record point six of a win? Me thinks you need to reread what I put 😆
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Post by independent on Mar 20, 2022 23:37:53 GMT
We had complete control of the game for the vast majority of it, we were still wasteful and our decision making was still lacking at times but we were the dominant team pretty much from start to finish. You’re never going to blow teams like Millwall away when their team is built on a solid defensive unit…… We gave the ball away a lot under no particular pressure. Uncharacteristicly Vrancic and Baker more so than the usual culprit Allen. Some of it was just players that aren’t very good doing the things you’ve come to expect but also as mentioned uncharacteristic sloppiness from our better players. Millwall are not a good team but to be fair I haven’t seen one in the flesh this season having missed the Fulham game. I can honestly say I haven’t seen a single team this season that our best game doesn’t beat which just makes the actual performances and outcomes all the more disappointing and annoying. I must agree with you that yesterday's performance mirrored our whole season. For most of it we led 1 - 0 as we have done in so many games this season. We should have been 3 or 4 up. Had they scored their penalty it would have been Deja Vu all over again. Thankfully we didn't shoot ourselves in the foot again, as we have done on so many occasions. These players are good enough if we can get them to play consistently at the top of their game, and we can sign a goalscorer. Goals cover up a lot of shortcomings. Unfortunately, too many of our players are average and wouldn't be missed if they left. I doubt that MON is fending off offers for them. Our leading scorer is regularly abused here even tho' he is the only one scoring regularly. We all had high hopes of, Campbell, Powell and Fletcher this year. Between them they have a total of 14 goals in 78 appearances in all competitions. Ince scored 5, Sturridge 4. Very difficult to win games if you are not scoring goals. But even with our poor goalscoring record we could have another 25-30 points if we could keep them out. Luton have scored 8 more goals than we have and have conceded 2 goals less than us. They are 3rd, We are 15th. Maybe we aren't that far away from getting a decent side together with all our problems.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 21, 2022 9:35:51 GMT
We gave the ball away a lot under no particular pressure. Uncharacteristicly Vrancic and Baker more so than the usual culprit Allen. Some of it was just players that aren’t very good doing the things you’ve come to expect but also as mentioned uncharacteristic sloppiness from our better players. Millwall are not a good team but to be fair I haven’t seen one in the flesh this season having missed the Fulham game. I can honestly say I haven’t seen a single team this season that our best game doesn’t beat which just makes the actual performances and outcomes all the more disappointing and annoying. I must agree with you that yesterday's performance mirrored our whole season. For most of it we led 1 - 0 as we have done in so many games this season. We should have been 3 or 4 up. Had they scored their penalty it would have been Deja Vu all over again. Thankfully we didn't shoot ourselves in the foot again, as we have done on so many occasions. These players are good enough if we can get them to play consistently at the top of their game, and we can sign a goalscorer. Goals cover up a lot of shortcomings. Unfortunately, too many of our players are average and wouldn't be missed if they left. I doubt that MON is fending off offers for them. Our leading scorer is regularly abused here even tho' he is the only one scoring regularly. We all had high hopes of, Campbell, Powell and Fletcher this year. Between them they have a total of 14 goals in 78 appearances in all competitions. Ince scored 5, Sturridge 4. Very difficult to win games if you are not scoring goals. But even with our poor goalscoring record we could have another 25-30 points if we could keep them out. Luton have scored 8 more goals than we have and have conceded 2 goals less than us. They are 3rd, We are 15th. Maybe we aren't that far away from getting a decent side together with all our problems. I certainly agree about scoring goals covering shortcomings. That’s the key for me we need to become a more offensive side because we’re not going to have a team full of brilliant players anytime soon. We need to bring in the right type of striker to complement our other forwards and for me Maja isn’t it. We need a younger Fletcher type, bit of a bruiser, decent in the air, bring the wide forwards into the game at the right end of the pitch not constantly running back to help the defence. This requires a proper DM to shield them hold his position and play simple passes. We need to stop trying to have our midfielders doing a bit of everything. We’re not a brilliant team but the good news is we’re at least as good as most of the other dross in this league.
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Post by barrythe on Mar 21, 2022 15:07:21 GMT
Just remember aston villa 18/19 coming from nowhere chocked by ffp won 10 in a row at the end of the season to squeeze into the plat offs... we've won 1 we have 8 more wins available... simples? 6th spot
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 21, 2022 15:45:38 GMT
I doubt anyone expected our injury issues from last season would be as bad again this. The team is still underperforming, but the injury disruptions - especially to Souttar and Powell - have been a killer. We did similar level of implosion with Campbell last season. Powell hasn’t missed that many games but Souttar has had a devastating impact on the side, if anything it shows our frailty. "Not missed that many games" - he's only played 16 league games and a few of those he's come on as a sub or been subbed off early through injury. I love the bloke to bits but he has played far less than half the available minutes for us so far this season and is certain to miss a good few more before we see him again.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 21, 2022 20:59:44 GMT
Just remember aston villa 18/19 coming from nowhere chocked by ffp won 10 in a row at the end of the season to squeeze into the plat offs... we've won 1 we have 8 more wins available... simples? 6th spot We don't have Grealish
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Post by a on Mar 21, 2022 22:55:47 GMT
We did similar level of implosion with Campbell last season. Powell hasn’t missed that many games but Souttar has had a devastating impact on the side, if anything it shows our frailty. "Not missed that many games" - he's only played 16 league games and a few of those he's come on as a sub or been subbed off early through injury. I love the bloke to bits but he has played far less than half the available minutes for us so far this season and is certain to miss a good few more before we see him again. Wow so he has, that’s surprised me to be honest. He certainly played a hell of a lot more last season didn’t he? I stand corrected regarding this one!
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 21, 2022 22:58:23 GMT
Just remember aston villa 18/19 coming from nowhere chocked by ffp won 10 in a row at the end of the season to squeeze into the plat offs... we've won 1 we have 8 more wins available... simples? 6th spot We don't have Grealish Grealish wasn’t the player he is lauded as now in 18/19, but I do agree, we don’t have it in us to win 8 in a row.
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Post by a on Mar 21, 2022 23:03:10 GMT
Just mentioned in another thread, I don’t think O’Neill had any thoughts on playing Sima, as was mentioned in this thread. Played U23s tonight, will he play after the break? I have my doubts but he might do as I think the excuses are wearing thin given his minutes after injury. I know Campbell took a while but I don’t think Sima’s injury was nearly as bad, given his recovery time.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 21, 2022 23:54:20 GMT
Just mentioned in another thread, I don’t think O’Neill had any thoughts on playing Sima, as was mentioned in this thread. Played U23s tonight, will he play after the break? I have my doubts but he might do as I think the excuses are wearing thin given his minutes after injury. I know Campbell took a while but I don’t think Sima’s injury was nearly as bad, given his recovery time. At this point, why bother? What do we actually gain from bringing Sima on? If we win all 8 games, we still are unlikely to get to the playoffs. Why play him over Campbell for 8 games (for example) when the latter is far more important to us. There may be a better argument for JPB (we may get him back and his loan hasn’t been a huge bust already).
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Post by a on Mar 22, 2022 6:56:08 GMT
Just mentioned in another thread, I don’t think O’Neill had any thoughts on playing Sima, as was mentioned in this thread. Played U23s tonight, will he play after the break? I have my doubts but he might do as I think the excuses are wearing thin given his minutes after injury. I know Campbell took a while but I don’t think Sima’s injury was nearly as bad, given his recovery time. At this point, why bother? What do we actually gain from bringing Sima on? If we win all 8 games, we still are unlikely to get to the playoffs. Why play him over Campbell for 8 games (for example) when the latter is far more important to us. There may be a better argument for JPB (we may get him back and his loan hasn’t been a huge bust already). Very fair point, but still it is frustrating that he has apparently been fit for a while now but O’Neill has got some reason not to use him. I get that you take time coming back from injury but I think there’s more to it than that.
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