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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Mar 13, 2022 16:41:38 GMT
Fantastic post and many of the replies are reminding me another issues I had forgotten about. Especially the Shawcross one, dreadful.
These days you have to do more to entice people to come and watch games, if we don't have too flight football we need to make going to watch Stoke in the championship as exciting and attractive as possible. You can't guilt trip people into coming anymore, especially not when money's tight.
People need to hold the club, and board to higher standards. It's easy to point to the frozen season tickets (admirable) and decade of top flight football (being and gone). But a football club is much more.
We aren't a Bournemouth or Hull. Before the Coates we had already played a half century worth of top flight seasons.
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Post by kjpt140v on Mar 13, 2022 16:53:51 GMT
Get ange to read this at the next highly secret council meeting Defo one for the next council meeting this..... Ange is part of the establishment and therefore part of the problem. Soft with after match questioning. Yesterday's, Peterborough,were leading questions. She concentrated on Peterborough's problems and having a nothing to lose attitude,hence giving MON to concentrate on their problems rather than Stoke's.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 13, 2022 17:00:33 GMT
If the crap on the pitch was improved I dare say the deficiencies in the match day would hardly be spoken about. We know that Stoke fans will accept rubbish and this is why it’s so frustrating because even if the club made half an effort to get things right that would satisfy the majority. As so well covered in the original post, it’s just a malaise that everyone shrugs their shoulders at. The problem is that the next step after malaise is decay and I don’t think we are a millions miles from that. Why do we generally just accept it? I don’t, so can’t understand the mentality at all. It’s as big a problem as the owners too because it allows them to get away with it. Like when we were relegated and thousands of fans clapped that team off. I knew we were properly fucked then. Such submission. Such weakness. It's called gaslighting. Being beaten down into submission and accepting that you don't deserve better, it's an inherent Potteries mentality. We see it on here, people tugging themselves silly over a manager who currently has us at three second tier league wins in 19 (not far off half a season). It's about time people started waking up a bit
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Post by theoptimist on Mar 13, 2022 17:03:24 GMT
Defo one for the next council meeting this..... Ange is part of the establishment and therefore part of the problem. Soft with after match questioning. Yesterday's, Peterborough,were leading questions. She concentrated on Peterborough's problems and having a nothing to lose attitude,hence giving MON to concentrate on their problems rather than Stoke's. And now a member of the BBC radio stoke team (otherwise known as stoke city PR dept).
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Post by whoareya on Mar 13, 2022 17:13:34 GMT
On a similar theme, I thought the 50th anniversary of the League Cup win celebrations on the designated match day were incredibly basic and underwhelming. And, of course, it was almost impossible to hear the players' interviews.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Mar 13, 2022 17:28:14 GMT
On a similar theme, I thought the 50th anniversary of the League Cup win celebrations on the designated match day were incredibly basic and underwhelming. And, of course, it was almost impossible to hear the players' interviews. I’m not sure what the appetite for the celebrations actually was. Of course anyone under the age of 50 wasn’t even born when we won it and that’s the majority of our support. I’m 35, and felt that the club did enough. It’s an embarrassing reminder that we’ve won next to sod all in 150+ years for me. I agree with every other complaint though and it is very much a SOT thing as I’ve said before.
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Post by jestershat on Mar 13, 2022 19:01:17 GMT
I honestly don’t know the answer to that question. Maybe it’s fear of change and the unknown, maybe it’s being conditioned in Stoke on Trent to be content with second best, I just don’t know. It's definitely a Stoke on Trent thing. The most introspective, backwards-looking city I've ever encountered. We routinely put up with shit in a walks of life and anyone who questions the status quo or strives for more is dismissed as an agitator or fantasist. The whole city is beleaguered by this attitude (summed up perfectly by the current way the football club is being run) and, sadly, I don't think it's something that it will ever dispense with in order to push itself forward. It permeates everything - politics, education, culture. Stoke Home Syndrome.....my mate (also a Stoke fan of 50+ years) used to say that if he had a long pole he would push the continent as far away as possible. Then, in later years as a salesperson for a local company, he had cause to visit Germany and Portugal. When I saw him later he had totally changed his outlook on life: Germany was so clean and efficient and drivers stopped to let you cross the road. Portugal was so relaxed and you could eat and drink outdoors until midnight gone, and the women were just gorgeous! I believe we deserve better, but we have to realise that better exists.....some folk either don't know or refuse to accept it.
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Post by dirtclod on Mar 13, 2022 19:36:06 GMT
No words.
(Cue: Hair of the Dog - Nazareth)
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 13, 2022 20:45:04 GMT
On a similar theme, I thought the 50th anniversary of the League Cup win celebrations on the designated match day were incredibly basic and underwhelming. And, of course, it was almost impossible to hear the players' interviews. Mike Pejic talked about it in his column quite critically. He was disappointed not to have been able to share the celebrations more with the fans, not to have been able to walk around the pitch with the trophy, not to have been invited into the boardroom, not to have the directors at the celebration dinner (incredibly it seems no directors were there but MON who had no connection to the team in 1972 was). That seems to sum up the club's attitude, token appreciation and obviously no consultation with the cup winning squad, just like they treat the fans. Amazingly he claims that ten years ago the cup winning squad were publicly promised free seats for life at the ground but are still waiting and like the rest of us he had the email last week telling him it was time to renew his season ticket. How exceedingly shoddy and second rate that all makes the club seem. The Coates family cannot be criticised for what they have done for the club but the PR throughout the club is atrocious.
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Post by anchorman on Mar 13, 2022 20:58:33 GMT
Great post and some interesting and cutting home truths. On the subject of Stoke City FC and Stoke-On-Trent (and forget the pro or anti PULIS bollocks for a minute) TP brought so much energy to the place and then managed to create a synergy and an energy between the club and the area. He worked his socks off to put a competitive hard working team on the pitch that reflected the people and the area and it worked. There was real energy with everybody pulling in the same direction. A togetherness, the like that Over 50+ years of following Stoke I have never experienced before or since. We were a force to be reckoned with on and off the pitch. The issue at the club is not only what appears to be a lack of professionalism and leadership but a whole boat load of absolute nothingness surrounding the whole club. Apathy reigns and has for the last 6/7 years. The club is disconnected from the fans, the manager hasn’t been proactive in connecting with the area or the fans and doesn’t appear to encourage his players to either so you’re left with a whole load of nothingness. As for the city of Stoke-On- Trent, well it was once a proud leader of industry with the pits and the pots and steel also back in the day. Time moves on of course but I will never forgive Thatcher for destroying not just industries and jobs but whole communities and indoctrinating the ‘I’m alright Jack’ mentality into society. The heart & soul was ripped out of Stoke-On-Trent and lack of investment & intervention by successive governments has left the city beleaguered. Perhaps there is a reason for the so called S-O-T mentality that some have alluded to. Provide investment, positivity, innovation to the city and it’s residents might just react in a similar way. Destroy the place & provide little or no hope and people will end up beaten. Politically, Stoke was always very proudly Labour. Now, the people of S-O-T ended up voting for the very party that destroyed their city in the first place, based on the nonsense & lies surrounding immigration. Somebody needs to get hold of our great club, drag it into the 21st century, re invent ourselves & above all reconnect the club, fans, area with players & manager. The question is can the Coates’ visual that and can they appoint the right people at the right time. UTP!
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Post by dirtclod on Mar 13, 2022 21:04:41 GMT
Wilberforce Humphries does not like this.
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Post by houstonsteve on Mar 13, 2022 21:06:00 GMT
Wilberforce Humphries does not like this. get him in on a free
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Post by dirtclod on Mar 13, 2022 21:06:58 GMT
Wilberforce Humphries does not like this. get him in on a free
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 13, 2022 21:12:12 GMT
Great post and some interesting and cutting home truths. On the subject of Stoke City FC and Stoke-On-Trent (and forget the pro or anti PULIS bollocks for a minute) TP brought so much energy to the place and then managed to create a synergy and an energy between the club and the area. He worked his socks off to put a competitive hard working team on the pitch that reflected the people and the area and it worked. There was real energy with everybody pulling in the same direction. A togetherness, the like that Over 50+ years of following Stoke I have never experienced before or since. We were a force to be reckoned with on and off the pitch. The issue at the club is not only what appears to be a lack of professionalism and leadership but a whole boat load of absolute nothingness surrounding the whole club. Apathy reigns and has for the last 6/7 years. The club is disconnected from the fans, the manager hasn’t been proactive in connecting with the area or the fans and doesn’t appear to encourage his players to either so you’re left with a whole load of nothingness. As for the city of Stoke-On- Trent, well it was once a proud leader of industry with the pits and the pots and steel also back in the day. Time moves on of course but I will never forgive Thatcher for destroying not just industries and jobs but whole communities and indoctrinating the ‘I’m alright Jack’ mentality into society. The heart & soul was ripped out of Stoke-On-Trent and lack of investment & intervention by successive governments has left the city beleaguered. Perhaps there is a reason for the so called S-O-T mentality that some have alluded to. Provide investment, positivity, innovation to the city and it’s residents might just react in a similar way. Destroy the place & provide little or no hope and people will end up beaten. Politically, Stoke was always very proudly Labour. Now, the people of S-O-T ended up voting for the very party that destroyed their city in the first place, based on the nonsense & lies surrounding immigration. Somebody needs to get hold of our great club, drag it into the 21st century, re invent ourselves & above all reconnect the club, fans, area with players & manager. The question is can the Coates’ visual that and can they appoint the right people at the right time. UTP! There was me thinking we're shit because of poor managerial appointments over the last 4 years but it seems I was wrong, it was Maggie's fault
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Post by wakeypotter on Mar 13, 2022 21:14:09 GMT
No words. (Cue: Hair of the Dog - Nazareth) You could have another Nazareth song supporting this club Love hurts
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 13, 2022 22:35:28 GMT
Defo one for the next council meeting this..... Ange is part of the establishment and therefore part of the problem. Soft with after match questioning. Yesterday's, Peterborough,were leading questions. She concentrated on Peterborough's problems and having a nothing to lose attitude,hence giving MON to concentrate on their problems rather than Stoke's. Ange is only person to ask O’Neill challenging questions FFS🙄The rest are clueless
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Post by kjpt140v on Mar 14, 2022 1:01:36 GMT
Ange is part of the establishment and therefore part of the problem. Soft with after match questioning. Yesterday's, Peterborough,were leading questions. She concentrated on Peterborough's problems and having a nothing to lose attitude,hence giving MON to concentrate on their problems rather than Stoke's. Ange is only person to ask O’Neill challenging questions FFS🙄The rest are clueless Absolute rubbish. It's like amateur radio. What has she asked?
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 14, 2022 1:26:46 GMT
Never has a chicken burger better summed up the state of a football club than the one photographed at the ground recently and widely shared on social media. It's everything about Stoke City FC in a bun. A half-arsed, "That'll do" attitude that runs through the club from top to bottom. The problems run far deeper than Michael O'Neill failing to get an imbalanced squad to perform on the pitch. The whole match day experience is well below the standard it should be. The music before the game is poor: the playlist seems to have not been changed for a decade. The reading out of the teams a good twenty minutes before the players come out rather than when the players are out massively reduces the atmosphere. Think back to the Premier League years. Opposition players would visibly shrink when their names were roundly booed seconds before kick off. Our players would visibly grow when cheered. Now we have to listen to Delilah blaring out way too loudly over a substandard tannoy system, which stops any kind of atmosphere being generated in its tracks. As we've seen recently, the food is abysmal, refusing to move with the times. Not good enough. And if you don't go down to the concourse for a bite to eat at half-time, what entertainment is there on offer from the stands? Absolutely none. Yes, we do a great job in the community, but do we really need to hear about it every week? When we have a special guest, such as Shawcross recently, the whole thing again is carried out as if the club only found out it was happening five minutes earlier. Not good enough. Many, many smaller clubs do it so much better. Apart from the football (which is persuading nobody to attend at the moment), what else is there to entice people to the club on match days? The club has got a lot right over the years, but seems to be stuck thinking it's still 2010. Football, entertainment and the world have moved on. I think we all wish it was 2010!
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 14, 2022 1:33:49 GMT
On a similar theme, I thought the 50th anniversary of the League Cup win celebrations on the designated match day were incredibly basic and underwhelming. And, of course, it was almost impossible to hear the players' interviews. Mike Pejic talked about it in his column quite critically. He was disappointed not to have been able to share the celebrations more with the fans, not to have been able to walk around the pitch with the trophy, not to have been invited into the boardroom, not to have the directors at the celebration dinner (incredibly it seems no directors were there but MON who had no connection to the team in 1972 was). That seems to sum up the club's attitude, token appreciation and obviously no consultation with the cup winning squad, just like they treat the fans. Amazingly he claims that ten years ago the cup winning squad were publicly promised free seats for life at the ground but are still waiting and like the rest of us he had the email last week telling him it was time to renew his season ticket. How exceedingly shoddy and second rate that all makes the club seem. The Coates family cannot be criticised for what they have done for the club but the PR throughout the club is atrocious. Argh! Mike Pejic is disappointed that he couldn’t walk around the ground with a cup the club won 50 years ago? Poor dear, he needs to suck it up. We’re disappointed that we have to have tin pot 50 year celebrations because the club has won absolutely nothing since then! What the hell, if we’d won 10 trophies in consecutive years, does that mean we’d be having a significant “anniversary celebration every year for the rest of our lives?
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 14, 2022 9:55:29 GMT
Mike Pejic talked about it in his column quite critically. He was disappointed not to have been able to share the celebrations more with the fans, not to have been able to walk around the pitch with the trophy, not to have been invited into the boardroom, not to have the directors at the celebration dinner (incredibly it seems no directors were there but MON who had no connection to the team in 1972 was). That seems to sum up the club's attitude, token appreciation and obviously no consultation with the cup winning squad, just like they treat the fans. Amazingly he claims that ten years ago the cup winning squad were publicly promised free seats for life at the ground but are still waiting and like the rest of us he had the email last week telling him it was time to renew his season ticket. How exceedingly shoddy and second rate that all makes the club seem. The Coates family cannot be criticised for what they have done for the club but the PR throughout the club is atrocious. Argh! Mike Pejic is disappointed that he couldn’t walk around the ground with a cup the club won 50 years ago? Poor dear, he needs to suck it up. We’re disappointed that we have to have tin pot 50 year celebrations because the club has won absolutely nothing since then! What the hell, if we’d won 10 trophies in consecutive years, does that mean we’d be having a significant “anniversary celebration every year for the rest of our lives? I think you are missing the point. Perhaps you feel the League Cup win isn't worth celebrating 50 years on and I can see your point but for those of us around then it was the start of a golden era when Stoke were one of the best teams around, playing wonderful attacking football and only failing to win more trophies because of fate (five broken legs in three months when squads only had about 15 players) and refereeing decisions in not one but two FA up semi finals against Arsenal when they were a team of cloggers and Stoke were the purists' favourite. Most of us supporting them then would, I think, claim that that era even eclipsed the ten years in the Premier because of the way we played, outclassing other teams, and were glad of the opportunity to remember and show appreciation. That isn't the point though. The club chose to commemorate the occasion and then went about it in a tin pot, second rate way. If they considered it worth doing then they should have done it well. There should have been consultation with fans and players, there should have been more publicity. Like the Shawcross fiasco it ended up being more of an insult than a tribute, having the players stood on the edge of the pitch with a plastic cup in front of empty stands. Interviews and a walk around at half time would have filled an empty 15 minutes when we have to watch birthday messages and interviews with people we've never heard of. Some welcome of the players on the pitch in the ten minutes between the warm up and kick off could have been used to lift the big crowd just before kick off. Like Shawcross's farewell it stank of somebody spending all of 5 minutes thinking about it and is just typical of the half arsed approach the club has to publicity and fan engagement.
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 14, 2022 11:00:10 GMT
Mike Pejic talked about it in his column quite critically. He was disappointed not to have been able to share the celebrations more with the fans, not to have been able to walk around the pitch with the trophy, not to have been invited into the boardroom, not to have the directors at the celebration dinner (incredibly it seems no directors were there but MON who had no connection to the team in 1972 was). That seems to sum up the club's attitude, token appreciation and obviously no consultation with the cup winning squad, just like they treat the fans. Amazingly he claims that ten years ago the cup winning squad were publicly promised free seats for life at the ground but are still waiting and like the rest of us he had the email last week telling him it was time to renew his season ticket. How exceedingly shoddy and second rate that all makes the club seem. The Coates family cannot be criticised for what they have done for the club but the PR throughout the club is atrocious. Argh! Mike Pejic is disappointed that he couldn’t walk around the ground with a cup the club won 50 years ago? Poor dear, he needs to suck it up. We’re disappointed that we have to have tin pot 50 year celebrations because the club has won absolutely nothing since then! What the hell, if we’d won 10 trophies in consecutive years, does that mean we’d be having a significant “anniversary celebration every year for the rest of our lives? Won nothing since the league Cup!!!! How could you possibly forget the Watney Cup and two Autoglass Cup victories!
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Post by march4 on Mar 14, 2022 11:06:50 GMT
That league cup win was our club’s greatest achievement.
We celebrate for the sake of the people who were there and as a reminder that one day, perhaps in another 100 years we will win something else.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 14, 2022 11:28:00 GMT
That league cup win was our club’s greatest achievement. We celebrate for the sake of the people who were there and as a reminder that one day, perhaps in another 100 years we will win something else. As a 15 year old pay on the gate fan I didn't get there and have been waiting ever since. For the three years after that triumph I religiously bought the programmes every week so that I would have the vouchers on the back of them which enabled you to get higher in the queue for cup final tickets. I only got to the second FA Cup semi final replay as well.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2022 11:30:29 GMT
I missed the Blackpool game with covid and I'm shocked they didn't go around the pitch at half time.
Sounds like a real basic thing to do?
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Post by dadofsam on Mar 14, 2022 11:31:27 GMT
"No price rise for 15 years what else do the fuckers want" seems to be the attitude from upstairs. Are we the discount supermarket of football, prepared to put up with a shit shopping experience because the prices are cheap.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 14, 2022 11:46:59 GMT
Why do we generally just accept it? I don’t, so can’t understand the mentality at all. It’s as big a problem as the owners too because it allows them to get away with it. Like when we were relegated and thousands of fans clapped that team off. I knew we were properly fucked then. Such submission. Such weakness. You don’t accept it I don’t accept it but there’s a lot on here do. Some think oh well mon is a work in progress In mon we trust someone put yesterday. I mean some will accept any shit. The likes of me and you and some others have higher standards. Others just think it’s ok to be shit (work in progress) bull Realistically, having a little moan on a social media site that traffics what, 200 people at most, is accepting it. At best, it’s a very English way of rejecting it. Change only comes through pressure, which can only really be generated by organizing a response. It will so happen that teams will be booed off occasionally, but that’s not the biggest incentive to change, and nor does it affect any of the points that the OP brought up with regards to the match day experience as a whole (unless you are going to stand there and boo the cashier for the quality of the food she just served you).
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Post by thevoid on Mar 14, 2022 13:21:16 GMT
"No price rise for 15 years what else do the fuckers want" seems to be the attitude from upstairs. Are we the discount supermarket of football, prepared to put up with a shit shopping experience because the prices are cheap. Yes. Grace Brothers FC
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 14, 2022 13:23:24 GMT
Ange is only person to ask O’Neill challenging questions FFS🙄The rest are clueless Absolute rubbish. It's like amateur radio. What has she asked? You didn’t listen after the Blackpool game then🙄
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2022 13:54:13 GMT
Reminds me of our home kit.
"Dare not to change even the slightest bit"
Where fans demands almost the same looking kit season after season.
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Post by kjpt140v on Mar 14, 2022 13:56:09 GMT
Absolute rubbish. It's like amateur radio. What has she asked? You didn’t listen after the Blackpool game then🙄 Yes, she's an apologist. She is absolutely rubbish. You've managed to find one game. Did you listen to her after Peterbrough? Why not question about Brown being put at Wing Back with Wilmot on the bench? By the way, you are in a minority.
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