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Post by kustokie on Mar 11, 2022 2:58:23 GMT
interesting that both have been nominated for manager of the month considering how shit they are according to you lot . Sign em up Be careful what you ask for
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Mar 11, 2022 10:23:14 GMT
Jones is our worst manager ever. I'll raise you a Chris Kamara but you're not far wrong 😕 I'll raise you a Brian Little.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 13:06:33 GMT
yes jones is our worst manager ever
but brian clough was leeds worst manager ever
however despite having an awful time at leeds , and being hated by leeds players , fans and directore , other fans liked the bloke and his managerial record was more than good
NJs record at luton is good , rowetts record at millwall is decent , and not over the last month but over their time there
if you type MoNs name into you tube it comes up with Gary lineker presenting him with The Sports Personality of the year Coach award when he was northern ireland boss ...so he has lots of people who like him too
rowett , nj and MoN are not 'numpties ' or 'pub team managers', they are respected coaches with a good reputation at championship level
the relevant question is what stops them succeeding at stoke
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 11, 2022 13:12:21 GMT
yes jones is our worst manager ever but brian clough was leeds worst manager ever however despite having an awful time at leeds , and being hated by leeds players , fans and directore , other fans liked the bloke and his managerial record was more than good NJs record at luton is good , rowetts record at millwall is decent , and not over the last month but over their time there if you type MoNs name into you tube it comes up with Gary lineker presenting him with The Sports Personality of the year Coach award when he was northern ireland boss ...so he has lots of people who like him too rowett , nj and MoN are not 'numpties ' or 'pub team managers', they are respected coaches with a good reputation at championship level the relevant question is what stops them succeeding at stoke Rowett and Jones were just the wrong men for the job. Rowett's approach doesn't really lend itself to the job we asked of him. For Jones it was too soon in his career probably and again there were a different set of circumstances and expectations here that didn't suit his approach the way Luton does. MON I honestly have no idea quite how he's come to lose the plot so badly. But in each case the issues were of their own making. Again perhaps it's a question of a club structure that asks too much of the manager and doesn't give them more support in terms of the apparatus to support recruitment etc?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 13:21:14 GMT
yes jones is our worst manager ever but brian clough was leeds worst manager ever however despite having an awful time at leeds , and being hated by leeds players , fans and directore , other fans liked the bloke and his managerial record was more than good NJs record at luton is good , rowetts record at millwall is decent , and not over the last month but over their time there if you type MoNs name into you tube it comes up with Gary lineker presenting him with The Sports Personality of the year Coach award when he was northern ireland boss ...so he has lots of people who like him too rowett , nj and MoN are not 'numpties ' or 'pub team managers', they are respected coaches with a good reputation at championship level the relevant question is what stops them succeeding at stoke Leeds have a list longer than Vanessa Feltz in a cake shop Had to be done
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 11, 2022 13:49:47 GMT
Rowett & Jones crippled this club,it's going to take time to heal thanks to those 2 tossers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 13:53:52 GMT
I'll raise you a Chris Kamara but you're not far wrong 😕 I'll raise you a Brian Little. At least Little started well. Kamara felt sorry for, often lost by odd goal, Jones just a fecktard who went straight back to his Subbuteo club sooner rather than later, thankfully
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 11, 2022 13:56:18 GMT
yes jones is our worst manager ever but brian clough was leeds worst manager ever however despite having an awful time at leeds , and being hated by leeds players , fans and directore , other fans liked the bloke and his managerial record was more than good NJs record at luton is good , rowetts record at millwall is decent , and not over the last month but over their time there if you type MoNs name into you tube it comes up with Gary lineker presenting him with The Sports Personality of the year Coach award when he was northern ireland boss ...so he has lots of people who like him too rowett , nj and MoN are not 'numpties ' or 'pub team managers', they are respected coaches with a good reputation at championship level the relevant question is what stops them succeeding at stoke I agree with you apart from MON's Champ rep, not sure he's been around long enough to have a rep either way yet.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Mar 11, 2022 14:57:55 GMT
I'll raise you a Brian Little. At least Little started well. Kamara felt sorry for, often lost by odd goal, Jones just a fecktard who went straight back to his Subbuteo club sooner rather than later, thankfully Not disagreeing with any of that me owd Jesus 👍
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 15:00:28 GMT
At least Little started well. Kamara felt sorry for, often lost by odd goal, Jones just a fecktard who went straight back to his Subbuteo club sooner rather than later, thankfully Not disagreeing with any of that me owd Jesus 👍 For a very short while Little looked like he'd wandered in and transformed us ....oh well. Was a very short while . The team went to the dogs and Brian Little couldn't keep little Brian in his pants
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Post by silsdenstokie on Mar 11, 2022 18:16:27 GMT
I'll raise you a Brian Little. At least Little started well. Kamara felt sorry for, often lost by odd goal, Jones just a fecktard who went straight back to his Subbuteo club sooner rather than later, thankfully Whilst Kamara’s spell was shocking, the club was rock bottom at the time (his biography details the situation he had to work with). Little ended up being shocking but I dont recall him having a penny to spend Jones was backed considerably and failed big time
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 18:20:03 GMT
At least Little started well. Kamara felt sorry for, often lost by odd goal, Jones just a fecktard who went straight back to his Subbuteo club sooner rather than later, thankfully Whilst Kamara’s spell was shocking, the club was rock bottom at the time (his biography details the situation he had to work with). Little ended up being shocking but I dont recall him having a penny to spend Jones was backed considerably and failed big time Kamara had almost signed Taylor was it the Sheff U striker then they pulled the plug late on and we ended up with Lightbourne. Shame. I liked Kamara and felt player let him down Edit....Gareth Taylor
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Post by silsdenstokie on Mar 12, 2022 10:26:58 GMT
Whilst Kamara’s spell was shocking, the club was rock bottom at the time (his biography details the situation he had to work with). Little ended up being shocking but I dont recall him having a penny to spend Jones was backed considerably and failed big time Kamara had almost signed Taylor was it the Sheff U striker then they pulled the plug late on and we ended up with Lightbourne. Shame. I liked Kamara and felt player let him down Edit....Gareth Taylor Yeah, good striker was Taylor. Hed have been far better for us than Lightbourne Was delighted when we appointed Kammy. Loved him as a player and hed done so well managing Bradford. So wanted him to do well but it soon became very apparent that he was only taking us one way. That said, having read his biography I do have some sympathy for him
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 12, 2022 10:48:56 GMT
interesting that both have been nominated for manager of the month considering how shit they are according to you lot . Is this guy a Stoke fan? If not, why is he on here posting tripe?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 12, 2022 11:13:59 GMT
Isn't the logical conclusion that Rowett and Jones aren't bad managers but they weren't good enough to handle a club that was in a really bad way?
The thing is fans identify with their club and are more prepared to blame the manager for being shit rather than admit their club is shit - or at least deep in the shit. Rowett and Jones made mistakes but they were scapegoated for deeper problems. O'Neill is now starting to attract the same treatment. We will only stop having shit managers when the deeper problems have been resolved.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 12, 2022 12:41:48 GMT
Isn't the logical conclusion that Rowett and Jones aren't bad managers but they weren't good enough to handle a club that was in a really bad way? The thing is fans identify with their club and are more prepared to blame the manager for being shit rather than admit their club is shit - or at least deep in the shit. Rowett and Jones made mistakes but they were scapegoated for deeper problems. O'Neill is now starting to attract the same treatment. We will only stop having shit managers when the deeper problems have been resolved. I think it should be possible to do both. Those managers were rightly criticised, they did a terrible job and the decisions they made plunged us deeper into the mess we find ourselves in. Clearly there are problems that run deeper but in no way, shape or form were any of those managers ‘scapegoated’.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 12, 2022 13:33:20 GMT
Isn't the logical conclusion that Rowett and Jones aren't bad managers but they weren't good enough to handle a club that was in a really bad way? The thing is fans identify with their club and are more prepared to blame the manager for being shit rather than admit their club is shit - or at least deep in the shit. Rowett and Jones made mistakes but they were scapegoated for deeper problems. O'Neill is now starting to attract the same treatment. We will only stop having shit managers when the deeper problems have been resolved. Stoke were (and possibly still are) a mess, but let's not take away some of the blame from Rowett and Jones.... Somewhere around £50M wasn't it for Rowett to splash on mediocre players... And 12 (mostly shit) players brought in, in ONE summer under Jones!!!
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 12, 2022 13:34:55 GMT
Could this thread be ended by that Alan partridge gif?
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