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Post by Gods on Mar 4, 2022 23:16:31 GMT
Chelsea should tell him to do one and see them court. Why? Hasn't he agreed to sell, cancel the loans and donate all proceeds to help victims in the Ukraine? Should Chelsea try and stop him from doing that? I had to read his statement twice, this is what he actually said "The foundation will be for the benefit of all victims of the war in Ukraine." I think he chose those words carefully. To include what he would consider to be both Russian and Ukrainian victims of the war. No suggestion that one side and one man is to blame. He has never spoken out against Russia raining death down on the innocent population of Ukraine. Perhaps when he does that people might start to believe him and stop thinking of him as scum.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 4, 2022 23:42:46 GMT
Stupid Bitch It’s not as unfair as Russian missiles hitting tower blocks FFS I was astounded by that position, it’s not particularly fair to have a football club taken away from them - firstly, he’s selling it. Secondly, to talk about geopolitics and reference it but then talk about how unfair it his on this billionaire (who’s probably going to be getting away with a big chunk of it) when you consider the reasons why. That said, I can see why she’s talking about it given who’s backing her and Newcastle now…
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Post by henry on Mar 4, 2022 23:50:57 GMT
Is the PM not sanctioning them, or has that not happened? Looks like they’ve played a blinder getting donations and now freezing them out. So per country within the EU (490 divided by 27 member states) they are 2 in front of uk ?
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Post by klingon on Mar 5, 2022 0:06:31 GMT
So per country within the EU (490 divided by 27 member states) they are 2 in front of uk ? I respectfully suggest you’re missing the fucking point. The EU for the purpose of imposing sanctions is one organisation. So the comparison remains entirely valid. Boris is doing fuck all because he doesn’t want to bite the hands that fed him. Once this current shitstorm is over, and the government are finally forced to release the “Russia Report” he had the rest of them are toast. It’s only a question of time.
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Post by Boothen on Mar 5, 2022 6:06:01 GMT
I bet her and her murderous backers are currently paying millions of pounds to lawyers to examine the minutia of the contract they signed when buying Newcastle for a viable get out clause.
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Post by franklin on Mar 5, 2022 7:21:32 GMT
So per country within the EU (490 divided by 27 member states) they are 2 in front of uk ? I respectfully suggest you’re missing the fucking point. The EU for the purpose of imposing sanctions is one organisation. So the comparison remains entirely valid. Boris is doing fuck all because he doesn’t want to bite the hands that fed him. Once this current shitstorm is over, and the government are finally forced to release the “Russia Report” he had the rest of them are toast. It’s only a question of time. Actually no it's not a valid comparison the UK are one country the EU are 27. So the EU have an average of 18 sanctions per country.
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 5, 2022 7:30:40 GMT
I respectfully suggest you’re missing the fucking point. The EU for the purpose of imposing sanctions is one organisation. So the comparison remains entirely valid. Boris is doing fuck all because he doesn’t want to bite the hands that fed him. Once this current shitstorm is over, and the government are finally forced to release the “Russia Report” he had the rest of them are toast. It’s only a question of time. Actually no it's not a valid comparison the UK are one country the EU are 27. So the EU have an average of 18 sanctions per country. Surely a more valid comparison would be to pick one similarly sized (economically) EU country, and compare the UK to that…
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Post by franklin on Mar 5, 2022 7:41:13 GMT
Actually no it's not a valid comparison the UK are one country the EU are 27. So the EU have an average of 18 sanctions per country. Surely a more valid comparison would be to pick one similarly sized (economically) EU country, and compare the UK to that… Absolutely I've no issues with a like for like comparison and I do wonder about the other countries on that list in comparison to the UK like Canada. But to claim validity of the EU with an average of 18 compared to the UK >100 is not correct imo. I'm not sure if we are able to sanction people who have no connection to the UK so again you would need to know who is and who isn't on each list and align them.
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Post by a on Mar 5, 2022 8:56:34 GMT
Is the PM not sanctioning them, or has that not happened? Looks like they’ve played a blinder getting donations and now freezing them out. Funnily enough there is a post on that thread which refutes those (possibly* made up) statistics. And as mentioned we aren’t a 27 country organisation
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Post by foster on Mar 5, 2022 9:11:49 GMT
I respectfully suggest you’re missing the fucking point. The EU for the purpose of imposing sanctions is one organisation. So the comparison remains entirely valid. Boris is doing fuck all because he doesn’t want to bite the hands that fed him. Once this current shitstorm is over, and the government are finally forced to release the “Russia Report” he had the rest of them are toast. It’s only a question of time. Actually no it's not a valid comparison the UK are one country the EU are 27. So the EU have an average of 18 sanctions per country. It's only valid if each EU sanction here applies to only 1 country in the EU. I imagine the EU sanctions include both individual and EU wide sanctions.
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Post by foster on Mar 5, 2022 9:15:02 GMT
Actually no it's not a valid comparison the UK are one country the EU are 27. So the EU have an average of 18 sanctions per country. Surely a more valid comparison would be to pick one similarly sized (economically) EU country, and compare the UK to that… Also depends largely on what the sanctions are as some will be much more impactful than others.
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Post by franklin on Mar 5, 2022 9:26:16 GMT
Actually no it's not a valid comparison the UK are one country the EU are 27. So the EU have an average of 18 sanctions per country. It's only valid if each EU sanction here applies to only 1 country in the EU. I imagine the EU sanctions include both individual and EU wide sanctions. That's why I said they should have alignment of the people and companies worldwide, however I'm not sure we could lawfully sanction for arguments sake a German/Canadian or US oligarch with no links to the UK.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 5, 2022 13:47:52 GMT
I respectfully suggest you’re missing the fucking point. The EU for the purpose of imposing sanctions is one organisation. So the comparison remains entirely valid. Boris is doing fuck all because he doesn’t want to bite the hands that fed him. Once this current shitstorm is over, and the government are finally forced to release the “Russia Report” he had the rest of them are toast. It’s only a question of time. Actually no it's not a valid comparison the UK are one country the EU are 27. So the EU have an average of 18 sanctions per country. The UK is 4 nations in that case. So 4 sanctions per country. Even in your comparison, the EU is 450% better than us
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Post by franklin on Mar 5, 2022 14:09:07 GMT
Actually no it's not a valid comparison the UK are one country the EU are 27. So the EU have an average of 18 sanctions per country. The UK is 4 nations in that case. So 4 sanctions per country. Even in your comparison, the EU is 450% better than us OK why don't you divide it by counties even worse then 👌 how many states are there in Germany let's devide it by states 🙄 Let me know how many sanctions Scotland, Wales and Nothern Ireland imposed specifically.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 5, 2022 16:46:11 GMT
The UK is 4 nations in that case. So 4 sanctions per country. Even in your comparison, the EU is 450% better than us OK why don't you divide it by counties even worse then 👌 how many states are there in Germany let's devide it by states 🙄 Let me know how many sanctions Scotland, Wales and Nothern Ireland imposed specifically. You started watering down the EU sanctions by dividing it by member state. I did the same with the UK to prove that you are talking rubbish. Your above post completely undermines your own argument!
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Post by franklin on Mar 5, 2022 17:18:32 GMT
OK why don't you divide it by counties even worse then 👌 how many states are there in Germany let's devide it by states 🙄 Let me know how many sanctions Scotland, Wales and Nothern Ireland imposed specifically. You started watering down the EU sanctions by dividing it by member state. I did the same with the UK to prove that you are talking rubbish. Your above post completely undermines your own argument! No I didn't I pointed out that the EU is 27 countries so it was an unfair comparison to look at the numbers and make out the UK is shit on that basis. The only rubbish is your 4 countries deflection so I asked what have the 3 Uk nations imposed and the answer is? If you are unable to understand that 27 countries in the EU are able to sanction more than 1 individual country then I'm not sure how to assist you.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 5, 2022 20:21:43 GMT
Not that it's of any importance but it appears to me that Staveley and Putin have similar amounts of Botox in their faces.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 5, 2022 22:41:00 GMT
You started watering down the EU sanctions by dividing it by member state. I did the same with the UK to prove that you are talking rubbish. Your above post completely undermines your own argument! No I didn't I pointed out that the EU is 27 countries so it was an unfair comparison to look at the numbers and make out the UK is shit on that basis. The only rubbish is your 4 countries deflection so I asked what have the 3 Uk nations imposed and the answer is? If you are unable to understand that 27 countries in the EU are able to sanction more than 1 individual country then I'm not sure how to assist you. You may have a point, depending on how the statistics are represented. For example, if Mr Oligarch is sanctioned by all 27 EU countries - does that count as 27 sanctions (i.e. one country has sanction one person) or one (i.e. one person has been sanctioned)?
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Post by franklin on Mar 6, 2022 7:05:11 GMT
No I didn't I pointed out that the EU is 27 countries so it was an unfair comparison to look at the numbers and make out the UK is shit on that basis. The only rubbish is your 4 countries deflection so I asked what have the 3 Uk nations imposed and the answer is? If you are unable to understand that 27 countries in the EU are able to sanction more than 1 individual country then I'm not sure how to assist you. You may have a point, depending on how the statistics are represented. For example, if Mr Oligarch is sanctioned by all 27 EU countries - does that count as 27 sanctions (i.e. one country has sanction one person) or one (i.e. one person has been sanctioned)? The other point I made earlier is that I'm not sure as an individual country we could sanction Mr Oligarch if he's based in another country with no links to the UK, first it would be pointless and second it might be unlawful. I assume the EU as an organisation can sanction anyone linked to any of the 27 countries. I wasn't "watering down" or being critical of the EU I was defending the UK in relation to a list published earlier in the thread.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 6, 2022 7:19:37 GMT
Eat a dick, whore.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 6, 2022 9:59:24 GMT
Socially blind
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 6, 2022 13:55:04 GMT
You started watering down the EU sanctions by dividing it by member state. I did the same with the UK to prove that you are talking rubbish. Your above post completely undermines your own argument! No I didn't I pointed out that the EU is 27 countries so it was an unfair comparison to look at the numbers and make out the UK is shit on that basis. The only rubbish is your 4 countries deflection so I asked what have the 3 Uk nations imposed and the answer is? If you are unable to understand that 27 countries in the EU are able to sanction more than 1 individual country then I'm not sure how to assist you. The 4 countries that make up the UK have sanctioned 16 entities (from memory according to that tweet). The 27 EU member states have sanctioned 490 according to that tweet. Whichever way you split it up, the EU have sanctioned more than us (according to that tweet) as a whole or per member state. So what is your point if it is not to say the EU has sanctioned more than us?
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Post by franklin on Mar 6, 2022 15:49:28 GMT
No I didn't I pointed out that the EU is 27 countries so it was an unfair comparison to look at the numbers and make out the UK is shit on that basis. The only rubbish is your 4 countries deflection so I asked what have the 3 Uk nations imposed and the answer is? If you are unable to understand that 27 countries in the EU are able to sanction more than 1 individual country then I'm not sure how to assist you. The 4 countries that make up the UK have sanctioned 16 entities (from memory according to that tweet). The 27 EU member states have sanctioned 490 according to that tweet. Whichever way you split it up, the EU have sanctioned more than us (according to that tweet) as a whole or per member state. So what is your point if it is not to say the EU has sanctioned more than us? That the EU are 27 and the UK is 1 and as such the comparison was unfair. That's the point its quite simple really no watering down no criticism of the EU no undermining of the EU just pointing out numbers nothing more than that. Unfortunately you seem to be making an issue over nothing if I'm honest but that's not an unusual occurance on here. Edit: I'm not sure where the info of 16 came from in that tweet but my understanding is 197 persons and 65 Entities listed by the UK government.
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Post by foster on Mar 6, 2022 16:23:04 GMT
The 4 countries that make up the UK have sanctioned 16 entities (from memory according to that tweet). The 27 EU member states have sanctioned 490 according to that tweet. Whichever way you split it up, the EU have sanctioned more than us (according to that tweet) as a whole or per member state. So what is your point if it is not to say the EU has sanctioned more than us? That the EU are 27 and the UK is 1 and as such the comparison was unfair. That's the point its quite simple really no watering down no criticism of the EU no undermining of the EU just pointing out numbers nothing more than that. Unfortunately you seem to be making an issue over nothing if I'm honest but that's not an unusual occurance on here. A big problem with any kind of UK v EU comparison is that the EU sanctions are not unilateral, as some people like to point out. There will be individual sanctions in there as well. A good comparison would be Germany or France vs the UK, however even then not all sanctions are equal. End of the day, every country could and should be doing more, irrespective of what their neighbours are doing. As for Abramovic, I couldn't care less about his personal situation, so I'll vacate back to the main thread on this topic.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 6, 2022 18:18:56 GMT
The 4 countries that make up the UK have sanctioned 16 entities (from memory according to that tweet). The 27 EU member states have sanctioned 490 according to that tweet. Whichever way you split it up, the EU have sanctioned more than us (according to that tweet) as a whole or per member state. So what is your point if it is not to say the EU has sanctioned more than us? That the EU are 27 and the UK is 1 and as such the comparison was unfair. That's the point its quite simple really no watering down no criticism of the EU no undermining of the EU just pointing out numbers nothing more than that. Unfortunately you seem to be making an issue over nothing if I'm honest but that's not an unusual occurance on here. Edit: I'm not sure where the info of 16 came from in that tweet but my understanding is 197 persons and 65 Entities listed by the UK government. The UK is obviously 4 countries. England, Scotland, N Ire and Wales. The EU is formed of 27 countries. Either way, according to that tweet, the EU has sanctioned more as a whole than the UK, or per each nation within each. Whether numbers within the tweet are at all accurate, I do not know. What is certain is that Russian money readily flows through the London housing market and the tory party, and substantial Russian influence in our politics and economy is commonplace (according to the report Johnson tried to bury). This very likely explains our reluctance to bring sanctions on many individuals here, and why we have been criticised by other nations by our inaction.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 6, 2022 20:32:43 GMT
That the EU are 27 and the UK is 1 and as such the comparison was unfair. That's the point its quite simple really no watering down no criticism of the EU no undermining of the EU just pointing out numbers nothing more than that. Unfortunately you seem to be making an issue over nothing if I'm honest but that's not an unusual occurance on here. Edit: I'm not sure where the info of 16 came from in that tweet but my understanding is 197 persons and 65 Entities listed by the UK government. The UK is obviously 4 countries. England, Scotland, N Ire and Wales. The EU is formed of 27 countries. Either way, according to that tweet, the EU has sanctioned more as a whole than the UK, or per each nation within each. Whether numbers within the tweet are at all accurate, I do not know. What is certain is that Russian money readily flows through the London housing market and the tory party, and substantial Russian influence in our politics and economy is commonplace (according to the report Johnson tried to bury). This very likely explains our reluctance to bring sanctions on many individuals here, and why we have been criticised by other nations by our inaction. No report was tried to be buried it was leaked by Grieve before it goes through the normal redaction process. Our reluctance to bring sanctions against individuals relates to the fact the law requires a little thing called proof and the HRA protects them, if you want to compare the EU and UK perhaps you should point out while the UK trained up 20000 snipers and sent anti tank weaponry, germany stopped the UK using their airspace, sold weapons to Russia, prevented other countries passing on german made weapons and eventually sent ukraine hundreds of mouldy and rusty missles. The swift sanctions are a joke too as the EU refused to ban all the russian banks so all the banks still effectively have access and they continue to receive and make payments, the UK and USA have banned russia fron GBP and USD clearing the EU and Euro clearing well guess what......
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 6, 2022 21:47:12 GMT
The UK is obviously 4 countries. England, Scotland, N Ire and Wales. The EU is formed of 27 countries. Either way, according to that tweet, the EU has sanctioned more as a whole than the UK, or per each nation within each. Whether numbers within the tweet are at all accurate, I do not know. What is certain is that Russian money readily flows through the London housing market and the tory party, and substantial Russian influence in our politics and economy is commonplace (according to the report Johnson tried to bury). This very likely explains our reluctance to bring sanctions on many individuals here, and why we have been criticised by other nations by our inaction. No report was tried to be buried it was leaked by Grieve before it goes through the normal redaction process. Our reluctance to bring sanctions against individuals relates to the fact the law requires a little thing called proof and the HRA protects them, if you want to compare the EU and UK perhaps you should point out while the UK trained up 20000 snipers and sent anti tank weaponry, germany stopped the UK using their airspace, sold weapons to Russia, prevented other countries passing on german made weapons and eventually sent ukraine hundreds of mouldy and rusty missles. The swift sanctions are a joke too as the EU refused to ban all the russian banks so all the banks still effectively have access and they continue to receive and make payments, the UK and USA have banned russia fron GBP and USD clearing the EU and Euro clearing well guess what...... Actually our post-brexit law changes made it harder for us to legally make the sanctions we need. Another Brexit bonus (ironically down to changes made by Lord Pannick, the silk who obliterated the government on proroguing Parliament in the Supreme Court). I hope the Russian influence in our governing party is not the problem. Our changes to the definition of refugee makes it difficult for us to give visas to Ukrainians fleeing the war. Some reports say we have handed out only 50 visas so far because the Tories decided the definition of a refugee from the Geneva Convention isn’t good enough, and needs changing to stop foreigners fleeing wars and death coming here. What a lovely government we have! The EU, US and UK responses to the Ukraine war could all have been better. We should be sanctioning more entities and taking refugees much faster. The EU should be faster in finding alternatives to Russian gas.
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Post by misterj on Mar 9, 2022 12:42:34 GMT
Anyone see the documentary from 10-15 yrs ago (maybe channel 4?) on how Abramavich amassed his wealth? Amazing that he was ever even allowed to buy Chelsea?
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Post by brotherleelove on Mar 9, 2022 13:08:28 GMT
Anyone see the documentary from 10-15 yrs ago (maybe channel 4?) on how Abramavich amassed his wealth? Amazing that he was ever even allowed to buy Chelsea? He bought Chelsea because the sellers accepted his offer. All of them Capitalists of course. Do you believe in Capitalism ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2022 15:37:26 GMT
Throw them out of the league for me starting with any sale fee going to funding the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Yes that's going to happen. Abramovich has Ukrainian grandparents didn't you know?
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