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Post by scfcwebby on Mar 1, 2022 21:52:22 GMT
One major difference... Palace had the quality to capitalise I don’t think Moore did a lot wrong and for a centre back it was a pretty sublime bit of skill. Not at all mate, nothing against Moore's effort, was a good effort, but against us and I guarantee it gets smashed into the back of the net. We just don't take advantage of freebies like that
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Post by pistol on Mar 1, 2022 21:55:42 GMT
I don’t think Moore did a lot wrong and for a centre back it was a pretty sublime bit of skill. Not at all mate, nothing against Moore's effort mate, was a good effort, but against us and I guarantee it gets smashed into the back of the net. We just don't take advantage of freebies like that That’s the difference between the levels though and it’s where we are at.
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Post by march4 on Mar 1, 2022 22:05:02 GMT
Wasnt a great punch but who shoukd have been closing the fella down Thompson, he missed. Just like it was Thompson at fault on the first goal. Yet another poor signing by O’Neill who I believe cost us a transfer fee.
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 1, 2022 22:06:02 GMT
That’s what he was and that’s his level Give Jo the shirt now till the end of the season. He’s far better than Bonham anyway and he’ll only get better by playing Fake news.He wasn't the Gills reserve keeper,if you think he shouldn't play that's your opinion but don't make things up.
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Post by chad on Mar 1, 2022 22:34:55 GMT
That’s what he was and that’s his level Give Jo the shirt now till the end of the season. He’s far better than Bonham anyway and he’ll only get better by playing Fake news.He wasn't the Gills reserve keeper,if you think he shouldn't play that's your opinion but don't make things up. You are indeed correct. My apologies I genuinely thought he was only their reserve keeper He’s still shit though
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Post by swampySCFC on Mar 1, 2022 22:37:58 GMT
One position Stoke have always been top level at is goalkeepers. These lads have a big reputation to live up to
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 1, 2022 22:39:03 GMT
89 games in 2 seasons at Gillingham
Reserve Keeper?
Interesting logic!
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Post by swampySCFC on Mar 1, 2022 22:40:15 GMT
Remember when keepers used to catch the ball? Good point mate
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Post by thevoid on Mar 1, 2022 22:55:07 GMT
The best part of £3m wasted on Sturridge and Doughty and now playing this clown. He's not helping himself What maths is that? They cost maybe £3m but we got more than £2m back on Surridge Err, the kind of maths where the transfer fees of those players came to around 3m, which is what you just confirmed? Luckily we got most of our money back but to spend big on a player he then gets rid off after a few months shows poor judgement
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Post by chad on Mar 1, 2022 23:01:03 GMT
89 games in 2 seasons at Gillingham Reserve Keeper? Interesting logic! See above
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 2, 2022 0:10:40 GMT
Butland made a worse punch, the difference was, they had a defender capable of clearing the ball!!!
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 2, 2022 0:14:09 GMT
His nose is bigger than the ball What's that got to do with his ability? Are you saying we should play Bursik because he's better looking?
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Post by samba :) on Mar 2, 2022 7:48:46 GMT
His nose is bigger than the ball What's that got to do with his ability? Are you saying we should play Bursik because he's better looking? are you saying hes badlooking just because he’s got a big nose?
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Post by stokecitydom on Mar 2, 2022 8:11:23 GMT
Just like it was Thompson at fault on the first goal. Yet another poor signing by O’Neill who I believe cost us a transfer fee. It was Tymon for the first goal. Tymon just walked away from the man & it meant Thompson had his man & the goal scorer.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 2, 2022 8:19:22 GMT
Just like it was Thompson at fault on the first goal. Yet another poor signing by O’Neill who I believe cost us a transfer fee. It was Tymon for the first goal. Tymon just walked away from the man & it meant Thompson had his man & the goal scorer. It's Thompson who just walks away I think?
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Post by boweryboy on Mar 2, 2022 8:43:51 GMT
Who ever it was, it's typical of our defending, wrong side of the forward yet again, basic defending seems to be something we can't grasp, it's usually Smith as it was for Luton's second goal,make no mistake it's going to be a long wait to get into the top six with this kind of defending, there's been no progress at all by this manager in that department.
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Post by stokecitydom on Mar 2, 2022 9:30:37 GMT
It was Tymon for the first goal. Tymon just walked away from the man & it meant Thompson had his man & the goal scorer. It's Thompson who just walks away I think? When the corner is taken Thompson is marking Guehi & Tymon is with Kouyate. They then pass it to whoever takes the scuffed shot & Tymon edges forward & Thompson is still on Guehi. The shots taken & Tymon keeps going forward for some reason & Thompson moves back to try and stop the shot. So at the end it looks like it’s Thompsons man, however it’s just because Tymon goes awol. Not that it matters who it was, it was just another example of shoddy defending.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 2, 2022 9:37:55 GMT
It's Thompson who just walks away I think? When the corner is taken Thompson is marking Guehi & Tymon is with Kouyate. They then pass it to whoever takes the scuffed shot & Tymon edges forward & Thompson is still on Guehi. The shots taken & Tymon keeps going forward for some reason & Thompson moves back to try and stop the shot. So at the end it looks like it’s Thompsons man, however it’s just because Tymon goes awol. Not that it matters who it was, it was just another example of shoddy defending. Watching it back it's desperately poor from both of them - neither of them seem aware that Kouyate is there. Thompson looks justifiably concerned that Tymon hasn't got Guehi but is himself totally unaware of Kouyate and there's zero communication between them. Awful, basic stuff.
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Post by stokecitydom on Mar 2, 2022 9:44:26 GMT
When the corner is taken Thompson is marking Guehi & Tymon is with Kouyate. They then pass it to whoever takes the scuffed shot & Tymon edges forward & Thompson is still on Guehi. The shots taken & Tymon keeps going forward for some reason & Thompson moves back to try and stop the shot. So at the end it looks like it’s Thompsons man, however it’s just because Tymon goes awol. Not that it matters who it was, it was just another example of shoddy defending. Watching it back it's desperately poor from both of them - neither of them seem aware that Kouyate is there. Thompson looks justifiably concerned that Thompson hasn't got Guehi but is himself totally unaware of Kouyate and there's zero communication between them. Awful, basic stuff. Exactly, basic defending and it’s mistakes that happen week in week out. We always give teams a chance, whether it be from set pieces or giving possession away in dangerous areas. Until we do the basics properly, then we will never be a threat at the right end of the table.
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Post by uknorse on Mar 2, 2022 10:03:03 GMT
Watching it back it's desperately poor from both of them - neither of them seem aware that Kouyate is there. Thompson looks justifiably concerned that Thompson hasn't got Guehi but is himself totally unaware of Kouyate and there's zero communication between them. Awful, basic stuff. Exactly, basic defending and it’s mistakes that happen week in week out. We always give teams a chance, whether it be from set pieces or giving possession away in dangerous areas. Until we do the basics properly, then we will never be a threat at the right end of the table. I think your all overlooking the fact we concede goals EVERY game after the 80 minute mark, yet clearky have a manager and coaching staff that cant make the point, and push them for concentration last 10 minutes, its criminal..... in every walk of life, we all have a limit, regardless of who we are and what we do..... football included, and sadly, we have a manager who cant escape his " damage limitation " mindset he had ( justifiably) when he was in charge of N.ireland..... hes now in the championship where everyone beats everyone, plan A, and plan A alone wont cut it in this division .....3 at the back with wing backs, ( so 5 at the back when out of possession) against Peterborough, Barnsley, etc sends out the message its defence first.... if your on a poor run. You have nothing to lose, ala cardiff..... and if this ex premiere league team are playing a back 5 at home against you. Means you have little to fear from a defensive point of view yourselves, defend set pieces, dont get done for pace, and your gonna be comfortable..... just my opinion
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 2, 2022 11:36:13 GMT
What's that got to do with his ability? Are you saying we should play Bursik because he's better looking? are you saying hes badlooking just because he’s got a big nose? Alright I should have said does a big nose handicap your goalkeeping ability? Gets in the way? Prevents you from seeing the ball clearly?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 2, 2022 11:40:33 GMT
When the corner is taken Thompson is marking Guehi & Tymon is with Kouyate. They then pass it to whoever takes the scuffed shot & Tymon edges forward & Thompson is still on Guehi. The shots taken & Tymon keeps going forward for some reason & Thompson moves back to try and stop the shot. So at the end it looks like it’s Thompsons man, however it’s just because Tymon goes awol. Not that it matters who it was, it was just another example of shoddy defending. Watching it back it's desperately poor from both of them - neither of them seem aware that Kouyate is there. Thompson looks justifiably concerned that Tymon hasn't got Guehi but is himself totally unaware of Kouyate and there's zero communication between them. Awful, basic stuff. It was awful. And Moore for the second wasn't clever either doing his arms behind the back dance thing. Awful defending. (Bonham has to catch it though) My in game thoughts sum it up better than I could now:
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 2, 2022 12:03:37 GMT
His chopping and changing of keepers has been very poor but dropping Bursik this time round is the most angering decision he's made so far for me. Whether he intended it or not it came across as scapegoating a young player who was one of the only okay performers against Luton. Unnecessary, counterproductive and a bit desperate.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 2, 2022 13:19:22 GMT
He played 85% of league games for them in their two seasons.
He wasn’t their reserve team goalkeeper.
What a stupid thing to say given that it’s so easy to check.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2022 13:20:29 GMT
That’s what he was and that’s his level Give Jo the shirt now till the end of the season. He’s far better than Bonham anyway and he’ll only get better by playing Do all players get better by playing? I don't think they do. This myth about young keepers improve by playing more games is nothing more than that. Neither of our keepers are particularly good to be fair
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 2, 2022 13:25:11 GMT
If we had Jagielka and Souttar at the back all season (two players who don’t make a lot of mistakes) and just an average goalkeeper, we’d have been high in the playoffs right now, never mind giving up a fight for 6th.
The only “stand out” performance of a goalkeeper all season was Davies at QPR. Most games we just come away saying, “bloody Bursik/Bonham/Davies”.
We don’t even need an exceptional goalie, just one whose not as bad at concentrating as the three above.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 2, 2022 13:27:37 GMT
That’s what he was and that’s his level Give Jo the shirt now till the end of the season. He’s far better than Bonham anyway and he’ll only get better by playing Do all players get better by playing? I don't think they do. This myth about young keepers improve by playing more games is nothing more than that. Neither of our keepers are particularly good to be fair There’s a “peak” of performance for a reason. Barring out of control mitigating circumstances, people generally get better at what they do the more they do it (in all walks of life) until other things (speed/fitness) start to be too much of a hinderance. There is no harm in playing Bursik now until the end. We aren’t going anywhere with either one, but at least there is the possibility that Bursik will improve with more games.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2022 13:41:15 GMT
Do all players get better by playing? I don't think they do. This myth about young keepers improve by playing more games is nothing more than that. Neither of our keepers are particularly good to be fair There’s a “peak” of performance for a reason. Barring out of control mitigating circumstances, people generally get better at what they do the more they do it (in all walks of life) until other things (speed/fitness) start to be too much of a hinderance. There is no harm in playing Bursik now until the end. We aren’t going anywhere with either one, but at least there is the possibility that Bursik will improve with more games. I would play Bursik for sure. Bonham wasn't a 3rd choice keeper of course but so many times we've seen this young English keeper who needs games and will only get better and a good majority simply haven't
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Post by yardstick on Mar 2, 2022 15:26:13 GMT
I think we should stick with Bonham, if only because he looks like the lovechild of Carl Muggleton and Mark Prudhoe
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Post by silsdenstokie on Mar 2, 2022 16:27:25 GMT
I think we should stick with Bonham, if only because he looks like the lovechild of Carl Muggleton and Mark Prudhoe Good name aswell Wonder if hes better with the sticks than he is between them
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