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Post by thevoid on Aug 3, 2023 13:22:52 GMT
Because the people who keep dragging this nonsense up are seen to be 'flying the flag for the downtrodden' 'caring' and 'morally upright, Im better than you', when in fact theres fuck all they can do except argue the toss and go round in circles. Its been recognised the world over that it was wrong. The Dutch King Willem Alexander apologised to the Dutch colonies a couple of weeks ago about the Dutch slave trade.........250 years after it happened. Now youve got great great great grandparents and siblings putting in claims for millions of euros compensation for the horrors that happened to their ancestors. Its been acknowledged, now move on. The claims are just the start of many laswuits coming up...... theyve opened a right can of worms and the general consensus amongst the Dutch is its gone too far this time. So effectively people who didn’t commit any crimes are being asked to compensate those who didn’t suffer. In a nutshell. If we use Wannabrain's ludicrous comparison with serial killers, it's like expecting the great grandkids of a murderer to recompense the great grandkids of his victim now. It's utterly absurd. It's history, people have done shit to other peoples throughout time (it's happening now and will always happen unfortunately as we don't live in some sort of fantasy nirvana). To expect compensation when you (and several generations before you) haven't suffered is laughable. Where do you draw the line anyway? Because Britain has been a colony of other empires itself. Maybe a free trolly dash around IKEA?
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Post by wannabee on Aug 3, 2023 13:45:38 GMT
Because the people who keep dragging this nonsense up are seen to be 'flying the flag for the downtrodden' 'caring' and 'morally upright, Im better than you', when in fact theres fuck all they can do except argue the toss and go round in circles. Its been recognised the world over that it was wrong. The Dutch King Willem Alexander apologised to the Dutch colonies a couple of weeks ago about the Dutch slave trade.........250 years after it happened. Now youve got great great great grandparents and siblings putting in claims for millions of euros compensation for the horrors that happened to their ancestors. Its been acknowledged, now move on. The claims are just the start of many laswuits coming up...... theyve opened a right can of worms and the general consensus amongst the Dutch is its gone too far this time. So effectively people who didn’t commit any crimes are being asked to compensate those who didn’t suffer. The £20M Loan (£17Bn in today's money) which UK Treasury took out to compensate Slave Owners in the British Colonies for the loss or their "Property" was so large it was only fully repaid in 2015. If you or the other Dutch poster ever paid Taxes in UK you would have contributed to the compensation Are you saying only Slave Owners should be compensated?
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Post by Dutchpeter on Aug 3, 2023 15:29:35 GMT
So effectively people who didn’t commit any crimes are being asked to compensate those who didn’t suffer. The £20M Loan (£17Bn in today's money) which UK Treasury took out to compensate Slave Owners in the British Colonies for the loss or their "Property" was so large it was only fully repaid in 2015. If you or the other Dutch poster ever paid Taxes in UK you would have contributed to the compensation Are you saying only Slave Owners should be compensated? I’m just perplexed why modern states or individuals should be compensated by people who have done no wrong. The German imperial and German National Socialist governments put a few of my relatives underground, can I have some money please?
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Post by superjw on Aug 3, 2023 16:16:52 GMT
The £20M Loan (£17Bn in today's money) which UK Treasury took out to compensate Slave Owners in the British Colonies for the loss or their "Property" was so large it was only fully repaid in 2015. If you or the other Dutch poster ever paid Taxes in UK you would have contributed to the compensation Are you saying only Slave Owners should be compensated? I’m just perplexed why modern states or individuals should be compensated by people who have done no wrong. The German imperial and German National Socialist governments put a few of my relatives underground, can I have some money please? Exactly - makes me laugh how the people that seem to be calling for this type of stuff are cherrypicking events from relative recent history. I bet almost every single person can trace their heritage back to some point in history where ancestors were enslaved and suffered immensely at someone else’s gain. It was, and still is really, a fact of human civilisation around the world. It could also work the other way where people who shout for this could have slave owners in their ancestor line too (how awkward eh!?) The only people who would deserve anything are the ones from history who suffered, but you can’t pay a ghost.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 3, 2023 16:18:07 GMT
The £20M Loan (£17Bn in today's money) which UK Treasury took out to compensate Slave Owners in the British Colonies for the loss or their "Property" was so large it was only fully repaid in 2015. If you or the other Dutch poster ever paid Taxes in UK you would have contributed to the compensation Are you saying only Slave Owners should be compensated? I’m just perplexed why modern states or individuals should be compensated by people who have done no wrong. The German imperial and German National Socialist governments put a few of my relatives underground, can I have some money please? Sorry to hear about your relatives At the Potsdam Conference between US, UK, France and USSR is was assessed that Germany would pay $23Bn reparations in the form of German Assets divided in Category A and B. Netherlands received 3.9% of A and 5.6% of B so you/Netherlands would have received some indirectly During present Ukraine War it is often mentioned that Russia will have to pay reparations
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Post by Dutchpeter on Aug 3, 2023 16:37:02 GMT
I’m just perplexed why modern states or individuals should be compensated by people who have done no wrong. The German imperial and German National Socialist governments put a few of my relatives underground, can I have some money please? Sorry to hear about your relatives At the Potsdam Conference between US, UK, France and USSR is was assessed that Germany would pay $23Bn reparations in the form of German Assets divided in Category A and B. Netherlands received 3.9% of A and 5.6% of B so you/Netherlands would have received some indirectly During present Ukraine War it is often mentioned that Russia will have to pay reparations Again, why should reparations be retrospectively paid? No one in the 21st century did it and no black people in this century have suffered because of what happened 300 years ago. Look how this country gave Caribbean islands to the black population whilst the French kept theirs, now that’s real compensation. How about the relatives of black slaves who are now US citizens and live in one of the wealthiest countries in the world. How about former colonies like Ghana and Rhodesia (for example) with highly developed economies and were a golden handover. Not my fault they were squandered. I can’t see how criminalising the current white population and insinuating that they are somehow inherently bad solves anything. I don’t blame the current Germans for my relations names carved on the Menin Gate, nor do I hold them accountable.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 3, 2023 18:39:01 GMT
Sorry to hear about your relatives At the Potsdam Conference between US, UK, France and USSR is was assessed that Germany would pay $23Bn reparations in the form of German Assets divided in Category A and B. Netherlands received 3.9% of A and 5.6% of B so you/Netherlands would have received some indirectly During present Ukraine War it is often mentioned that Russia will have to pay reparations Again, why should reparations be retrospectively paid? No one in the 21st century did it and no black people in this century have suffered because of what happened 300 years ago. Look how this country gave Caribbean islands to the black population whilst the French kept theirs, now that’s real compensation. How about the relatives of black slaves who are now US citizens and live in one of the wealthiest countries in the world. How about former colonies like Ghana and Rhodesia (for example) with highly developed economies and were a golden handover. Not my fault they were squandered. I can’t see how criminalising the current white population and insinuating that they are somehow inherently bad solves anything. I don’t blame the current Germans for my relations names carved on the Menin Gate, nor do I hold them accountable. I merely pointed out that Germany did pay reparations In response to your question In regards to former Colonies a case could be made that former Slaves should have been compensated at the same time as the Slave Owners were. Obviously that can't happen now but those making the case would argue that Britain extracted the Natural Resources from these Colonies for its own enrichment There is a precedent of Britain paying reparations in the Jallianwala Bagh massacre in Amritsar where 379 were murdered and 1200 more were injured. The amount paid was modest about £400K in today's money. In 2013 UK Government paid £19.9M to 5,228 Kenyans who suffered torture and abuse during the Mau Mau uprising A further case is currently at ECHR by 44,000 Kenyans who say they survived frequent beatings, rapes, torture, forced labour and in some cases castration, at the hands of British colonists. An activist group Heirs of Slavery made up of decendents of Slave Owners are agitating for UK Government to apologise and make reparations to Caribbean Colonies www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/24/descendants-of-uk-slave-owners-call-on-government-to-apologiseI think the writer James Baldwin summed it up when he said "Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced.”
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Post by Dutchpeter on Aug 3, 2023 18:59:32 GMT
Again, why should reparations be retrospectively paid? No one in the 21st century did it and no black people in this century have suffered because of what happened 300 years ago. Look how this country gave Caribbean islands to the black population whilst the French kept theirs, now that’s real compensation. How about the relatives of black slaves who are now US citizens and live in one of the wealthiest countries in the world. How about former colonies like Ghana and Rhodesia (for example) with highly developed economies and were a golden handover. Not my fault they were squandered. I can’t see how criminalising the current white population and insinuating that they are somehow inherently bad solves anything. I don’t blame the current Germans for my relations names carved on the Menin Gate, nor do I hold them accountable. I merely pointed out that Germany did pay reparations In response to your question In regards to former Colonies a case could be made that former Slaves should have been compensated at the same time as the Slave Owners were. Obviously that can't happen now but those making the case would argue that Britain extracted the Natural Resources from these Colonies for its own enrichment There is a precedent of Britain paying reparations in the Jallianwala Bagh massacre in Amritsar where 379 were murdered and 1200 more were injured. The amount paid was modest about £400K in today's money. In 2013 UK Government paid £19.9M to 5,228 Kenyans who suffered torture and abuse during the Mau Mau uprising A further case is currently at ECHR by 44,000 Kenyans who say they survived frequent beatings, rapes, torture, forced labour and in some cases castration, at the hands of British colonists. An activist group Heirs of Slavery made up of decendents of Slave Owners are agitating for UK Government to apologise and make reparations to Caribbean Colonies www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/24/descendants-of-uk-slave-owners-call-on-government-to-apologiseI think the writer James Baldwin summed it up when he said "Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced.” The black population in Jamaica (for example) got a country (on independence) with infrastructure, institutions, a working economy, parliamentary democracy and the freedom to do as they pleased. Isn’t that quite generous as opposed to the French who kept their Caribbean possessions?
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Post by wannabee on Aug 3, 2023 19:07:00 GMT
The black population in Jamaica (for example) got a country (on independence) with infrastructure, institutions, a working economy, parliamentary democracy and the freedom to do as they pleased. Isn’t that quite generous as opposed to the French who kept their Caribbean possessions? Not my decision to make CARICOM and the Heirs of Slavery don't think so.
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Post by foster on Aug 3, 2023 19:54:23 GMT
The black population in Jamaica (for example) got a country (on independence) with infrastructure, institutions, a working economy, parliamentary democracy and the freedom to do as they pleased. Isn’t that quite generous as opposed to the French who kept their Caribbean possessions? Not my decision to make CARICOM and the Heirs of Slavery don't think so. You're weird mate. That's my input having read the last few pages. To think that we should be held account for what relatives we didn't even know have done is mental.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 3, 2023 20:01:39 GMT
Not my decision to make CARICOM and the Heirs of Slavery don't think so. You're weird mate. That's my input having read the last few pages. To think that we should be held account for what relatives we didn't even know have done is mental. Post of the year👏🏻
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Post by foster on Aug 3, 2023 20:21:14 GMT
And it might be a good idea if some in the Heterosexual Community stayed the hell away from children. I'm not quite sure what you are saying here. Only people in the LGBTQ+ are a danger to children? At least people in the Heterosexual Community don't shout about their proclivities and only indulge themselves in the privacy of their own homes? You can't possibly be trying to generalize from a specific incident that people from the LGBTQ+ Community are inherently deviant and a risk to society and that anyone who supports them is by implication condoning child abuse. Surely no one is dum enough to believe that is a logically coherent argument likely to convince anyone other than those already bought into the "anti woke" agenda? Or am I missing the obvious link between toppling statues and child abuse? If we allow statues to be toppled our children will be at risk? I started this thread genuinely interested in you thought process. I've now found myself in a very dark and disturbing place. It's weird isn't it? There's wrong 'uns in all walks of life, yet there's this dog whistle doing the rounds suggesting LGBTQ+ people are more likely to be sex offenders. It may as well be a picture of an altar boy helping a priest at Sunday morning mass or a scout leader round the camp fire with a bunch of young boys. It's language taken from the 80's/90's to demonize those who were homosexual................ We already covered this in the 'what is man thread', but you've clearly forgotten to listen to facts. Absolutely, but the biggest threat to women is and always will be men identifying as men, by a long stretch If you're going off totals then that's obvious. You should he going off %s, in which case you're wrong. Indeed, the reports findings below clearly show the opposite in terms of proportional representation. committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/Comparisons of official MOJ statistics from March / April 2019 (most recent official count of transgender prisoners): 76 sex offenders out of 129 transwomen = 58.9% 125 sex offenders out of 3812 women in prison = 3.3% 13234 sex offenders out of 78781 men in prison = 16.8% Stats speak for themselves. I know this isn't the right thread, but don't go making disengenouous statements.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 3, 2023 20:59:28 GMT
It's weird isn't it? There's wrong 'uns in all walks of life, yet there's this dog whistle doing the rounds suggesting LGBTQ+ people are more likely to be sex offenders. It may as well be a picture of an altar boy helping a priest at Sunday morning mass or a scout leader round the camp fire with a bunch of young boys. It's language taken from the 80's/90's to demonize those who were homosexual................ We already covered this in the 'what is man thread', but you've clearly forgotten to listen to facts. If you're going off totals then that's obvious. You should he going off %s, in which case you're wrong. Indeed, the reports findings below clearly show the opposite in terms of proportional representation. committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/Comparisons of official MOJ statistics from March / April 2019 (most recent official count of transgender prisoners): 76 sex offenders out of 129 transwomen = 58.9% 125 sex offenders out of 3812 women in prison = 3.3% 13234 sex offenders out of 78781 men in prison = 16.8% Stats speak for themselves. I know this isn't the right thread, but don't go making disengenouous statements. And I responded to your "facts". Bye now.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 3, 2023 21:19:07 GMT
You're weird mate. That's my input having read the last few pages. To think that we should be held account for what relatives we didn't even know have done is mental. Post of the year👏🏻 Excellent fishing mate. Top class.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 3, 2023 21:29:26 GMT
Excellent fishing mate. Top class. You and the other berks don’t like being challenged. That’s the fact of the matter. Fosters point was perfectly legitimate and yet it’s met with standard lefty catchphrases such as yours.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 3, 2023 21:30:15 GMT
It's weird isn't it? There's wrong 'uns in all walks of life, yet there's this dog whistle doing the rounds suggesting LGBTQ+ people are more likely to be sex offenders. It may as well be a picture of an altar boy helping a priest at Sunday morning mass or a scout leader round the camp fire with a bunch of young boys. It's language taken from the 80's/90's to demonize those who were homosexual................ We already covered this in the 'what is man thread', but you've clearly forgotten to listen to facts. If you're going off totals then that's obvious. You should he going off %s, in which case you're wrong. Indeed, the reports findings below clearly show the opposite in terms of proportional representation. committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/Comparisons of official MOJ statistics from March / April 2019 (most recent official count of transgender prisoners): 76 sex offenders out of 129 transwomen = 58.9% 125 sex offenders out of 3812 women in prison = 3.3% 13234 sex offenders out of 78781 men in prison = 16.8% Stats speak for themselves. I know this isn't the right thread, but don't go making disengenouous statements. One nil
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Post by foster on Aug 3, 2023 21:47:46 GMT
Excellent fishing mate. Top class. You and the other berks don’t like being challenged. That’s the fact of the matter. Fosters point was perfectly legitimate and yet it’s met with standard lefty catchphrases such as yours. Don't waste your time taking jokers like him seriously when they 'like' replies from posters that I disprove with facts. Such a clique. They put their personal allegiances before their own opinion, morality and facts. Wierdos.
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Post by foster on Aug 3, 2023 21:53:15 GMT
We already covered this in the 'what is man thread', but you've clearly forgotten to listen to facts. Stats speak for themselves. I know this isn't the right thread, but don't go making disengenouous statements. One nil It's hardly difficult beating him in a debate. He has nothing of substance. Just meaningless baseless statements born out of a warped sense of righteousness.
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 3, 2023 21:53:51 GMT
You and the other berks don’t like being challenged. That’s the fact of the matter. Fosters point was perfectly legitimate and yet it’s met with standard lefty catchphrases such as yours. Don't waste your time taking jokers like him seriously when they 'like' replies from posters that I disprove with facts. Such a clique. They put their personal allegiances before their own opinion, morality and facts. Wierdos. Here's you.. "When you predominantly let in males who live together (hotels), moan together, cry together, etc. Then its to be expected that you'll get issues. They won't integrate as all they know is their own group and after a while they don't feel the need anyway. I can only speak from Brussels experience that there are some areas that don't even look like Europe and that if you go there with your Mrs that you'll be getting funny looks. Just loads of 50+ aged blokes sitting outside (during working hours) drinking tea and talking about fuck knows." Were you referring to the architecture when you said it doesn't look like Europe?.. Weirdo
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Post by foster on Aug 3, 2023 21:55:46 GMT
Don't waste your time taking jokers like him seriously when they 'like' replies from posters that I disprove with facts. Such a clique. They put their personal allegiances before their own opinion, morality and facts. Wierdos. "When you predominantly let in males who live together (hotels), moan together, cry together, etc. Then its to be expected that you'll get issues. They won't integrate as all they know is their own group and after a while they don't feel the need anyway. I can only speak from Brussels experience that there are some areas that don't even look like Europe and that if you go there with your Mrs that you'll be getting funny looks. Just loads of 50+ aged blokes sitting outside (during working hours) drinking tea and talking about fuck knows." Were you referring to the architecture when you said it doesn't look like Europe?.. Weirdo You're weird as well. You keep quoting me like it means something to anyone other than you. Clearly you have nothing better to do than keep banging the same drum inneffectually.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 3, 2023 21:56:44 GMT
Jesus the Gammons are on a right roll here tonight. Someone has also had a few cans as well.
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 3, 2023 21:57:04 GMT
"When you predominantly let in males who live together (hotels), moan together, cry together, etc. Then its to be expected that you'll get issues. They won't integrate as all they know is their own group and after a while they don't feel the need anyway. I can only speak from Brussels experience that there are some areas that don't even look like Europe and that if you go there with your Mrs that you'll be getting funny looks. Just loads of 50+ aged blokes sitting outside (during working hours) drinking tea and talking about fuck knows." Were you referring to the architecture when you said it doesn't look like Europe?.. Weirdo You're weird as well. You keep quoting me like it means something to anyone other than you. Clearly you have nothing better to do than keep banging the same drum inneffectually. You're weird duck, very weird!!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 3, 2023 21:57:43 GMT
Excellent fishing mate. Top class. You and the other berks don’t like being challenged. That’s the fact of the matter. Fosters point was perfectly legitimate and yet it’s met with standard lefty catchphrases such as yours. Bless you mucka. Outstanding effort tonight.
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Post by foster on Aug 3, 2023 21:58:43 GMT
Jesus the Gammons are on a right roll here tonight. Someone has also had a few cans as well. Wannabes wokeys are all here to defend their leaders ridiculous point of view. Maybe try thinking for yourself for once mate.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 3, 2023 21:58:46 GMT
You and the other berks don’t like being challenged. That’s the fact of the matter. Fosters point was perfectly legitimate and yet it’s met with standard lefty catchphrases such as yours. Don't waste your time taking jokers like him seriously when they 'like' replies from posters that I disprove with facts. Such a clique. They put their personal allegiances before their own opinion, morality and facts. Wierdos. Bless you too mate, wrong but always right.
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Post by foster on Aug 3, 2023 21:59:03 GMT
You're weird as well. You keep quoting me like it means something to anyone other than you. Clearly you have nothing better to do than keep banging the same drum inneffectually. You're weird duck, very weird!! Great comeback 👏
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 3, 2023 22:01:49 GMT
You're weird duck, very weird!! Great comeback 👏 You're living in another country complaining about foreigners.. it is weird fosters.
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Post by foster on Aug 3, 2023 22:05:41 GMT
You're living in another country complaining about foreigners.. it is weird fosters. Incorrect and as usual for you, no relation to this thread. No one cares what you quote or think mate. It's all in your head. I would have thought you'd have grasped that by now after failing miserably the last few times you've tried the same tactic.
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 3, 2023 22:11:53 GMT
You're living in another country complaining about foreigners.. it is weird fosters. Incorrect and as usual for you, no relation to this thread. No one cares what you quote or think mate. It's all in your head. I would have thought you'd have grasped that by now after failing miserably the last few times you've tried the same tactic. Few times? 😂 nah once before and you ran away from explaining yourself. You clearly have some strong views about how europe should "look".
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Post by foster on Aug 3, 2023 22:12:47 GMT
Don't waste your time taking jokers like him seriously when they 'like' replies from posters that I disprove with facts. Such a clique. They put their personal allegiances before their own opinion, morality and facts. Wierdos. Bless you too mate, wrong but always right. Better that than rightious but always wrong mate. 👍 Except with brexit and the Tories. I'll give you that.
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