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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 6, 2022 19:29:32 GMT
It's absolutely screaming "I'm moving upstairs in the summer to a general manager role and will be replaced by a young first team coach" to me. Holden most probably after his Bristol City debut. It does a little, which doesn't bode well for improving our recruitment.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 6, 2022 19:56:32 GMT
Doesn't sound like there'll be a like-for-like replacement His role at the top is expected to be filled by a senior management team including experienced football operators like joint-chairman John Coates, head of finance John Pelling and club secretary Chris Laird as well as first team manager Michael O'Neill. Well, this is disappointing. I thought that this would be the perfect opportunity to review our structure and to modernise somewhat. Or, at the least, to bring in someone that is forward thinking with new ideas. In reality, this sounds like we are going to do none of the above and, instead, just keep plodding along the same path.
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Post by baystokie on Jan 6, 2022 20:02:08 GMT
Doesn't sound like there'll be a like-for-like replacement His role at the top is expected to be filled by a senior management team including experienced football operators like joint-chairman John Coates, head of finance John Pelling and club secretary Chris Laird as well as first team manager Michael O'Neill. Well, this is disappointing. I thought that this would be the perfect opportunity to review our structure and to modernise somewhat. Or, at the least, to bring in someone that is forward thinking with new ideas. In reality, this sounds like we are going to do none of the above and, instead, just keep plodding along the same path. Surely there must be someone amongst the 13 pages of posts above who could throw his hat in the ring. Most seem to have a vision for the future, knowing what needs to be done - go for it - nothing like putting your theories to the test in the real world
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Post by leoncort on Jan 6, 2022 20:40:25 GMT
I see he is not going to be properly replaced, perhaps for cost saving reasons but I believe this is a huge error. The success or failure of a club is dependant on decisions made at the top. We made many poor ones and were one fortunate managerial appointment saved us from league one, however since then poor recruitment has stopped any real progress of getting out of the division the way we desire.
Look at Norwich for example, employing stuart webber, a smart football guy who orchestrates everything. Yes they have failed to establish themselves in a very competitive premier league however they buy young hungry players or players who are undervalued and critically they sell at the right time. 40m for Buendia for example. This is what we need, a clear plan and blueprint to build the club on.
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 6, 2022 20:40:48 GMT
This type of announcement of a senior role at the club for me epitomises our club. It almost suggests a bit of we will all muddle along together and chip in when needed. This is a big club with a big infrastructure and surely needs to be run in a proper way moving forward. I can't say I know much of the other people involved, John Coates aside, but for me it seems like an opportunity missed.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 6, 2022 20:49:03 GMT
Drastic restructuring over the summer hopefully.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2022 20:57:31 GMT
I see he is not going to be properly replaced, perhaps for cost saving reasons but I believe this is a huge error. The success or failure of a club is dependant on decisions made at the top. We made many poor ones and were one fortunate managerial appointment saved us from league one, however since then poor recruitment has stopped any real progress of getting out of the division the way we desire. Look at Norwich for example, employing stuart webber, a smart football guy who orchestrates everything. Yes they have failed to establish themselves in a very competitive premier league however they buy young hungry players or players who are undervalued and critically they sell at the right time. 40m for Buendia for example. This is what we need, a clear plan and blueprint to build the club on. I keep hearing this term 'young hungry players'. Becoming a bit of a cliche. Norwich for me a club who have thrown away multiple opportunities to establish themselves and wouldn't use them as a great example necessarily
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 6, 2022 21:02:44 GMT
Isn’t O’Neill qualified in business as well?
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 6, 2022 21:08:30 GMT
I’m hoping to god we’ve taken a step back for a moment, looked at how the Man City’s, Bayern Munichs and Ajax’s of this world are setting their boardrooms up…..
Does the term due diligence exist at Stoke City ?
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 6, 2022 21:12:25 GMT
Isn’t O’Neill qualified in business as well? Yes and there are interviews out there where he says he has an ambition to move into football directorship in the future.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 6, 2022 21:16:19 GMT
Isn’t O’Neill qualified in business as well? Yes and there are interviews out there where he says he has an ambition to move into football directorship in the future. Exactly mate👍Watch this space
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Post by Squeekster on Jan 6, 2022 21:26:22 GMT
Isn’t O’Neill qualified in business as well? Wanker I mean banker wasn't he? Oh and don't forget he has an MBE!
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Post by leoncort on Jan 6, 2022 21:33:42 GMT
I see he is not going to be properly replaced, perhaps for cost saving reasons but I believe this is a huge error. The success or failure of a club is dependant on decisions made at the top. We made many poor ones and were one fortunate managerial appointment saved us from league one, however since then poor recruitment has stopped any real progress of getting out of the division the way we desire. Look at Norwich for example, employing stuart webber, a smart football guy who orchestrates everything. Yes they have failed to establish themselves in a very competitive premier league however they buy young hungry players or players who are undervalued and critically they sell at the right time. 40m for Buendia for example. This is what we need, a clear plan and blueprint to build the club on. I keep hearing this term 'young hungry players'. Becoming a bit of a cliche. Norwich for me a club who have thrown away multiple opportunities to establish themselves and wouldn't use them as a great example necessarily I disagree, perhaps not young, but hungry and unproven in this league. Youth like Aaron's, Jamal Lewis, the Murphy brothers, Godfrey, most of whom sold for big money. Then add unproven cheap foreign talent of the right age like buendia, stiepermann, vrancic plus experienced frees like pukki and grant Hanley and it's a recipe for sustainability and success. Yes they need to establish themselves and I think they will at some point soon, they will certainly have a good chance to stay up if they come down again. We have none of this foresight and planning. We just roll the dice and hope.
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Post by Sfance on Jan 6, 2022 21:36:17 GMT
Step up, John Coates. At least we’ll be the only club in the Championship run by a special needs chairman. What could go wrong? (That hasn’t already.)
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Post by stokemark on Jan 6, 2022 21:37:54 GMT
Amateurish is an understatement
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2022 21:38:36 GMT
Nothing MON has done makes me think he’d be any good at DoF.
His man management has been the stand out good thing.
Recruitment up there with the worst things about him.
Would make no sense.
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Post by Gods on Jan 6, 2022 21:40:19 GMT
I'm not sure I recognise the club from Tony Scholes description in that article.
He seems to think he is leaving everything on and off the pitch just tickety boo.
No mention of the fact that we are plummeting down Division 2 faster than a greased pig and the matches are being played out in front of a less than half full stadium and the dwindling number of masochists in attendance have almost entirely lost interest in the whole thing!
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Post by BuzzB on Jan 6, 2022 21:45:44 GMT
Surely we should be hearing soon about a replacement or an internal restructure?. Word on the street is that there will be no new CEO, those upstairs are going to juggle the duties between themselves, Coates Jr, Coates Sr and Richard Smith. ahem...... I did say, like.............
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Post by Sfance on Jan 6, 2022 21:46:23 GMT
Though I’m not sure how he’ll function now his carer’s deserted the ship.
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Post by themistocles on Jan 6, 2022 21:50:16 GMT
What do the prem sides / successful champ sides have ?
We're not in the position to be innovative just do what works ffs.
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 6, 2022 22:01:23 GMT
I'm not sure I recognise the club from Tony Scholes description in that article. He seems to think he is leaving everything on and off the pitch just tickety boo. No mention of the fact that we are plummeting down Division 2 faster than a greased pig and the matches are being played out in front of a less than half full stadium and the dwindling number of masochists in attendance have almost entirely lost interest in the whole thing! Never underestimate the power of denial
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Post by bhp on Jan 6, 2022 22:15:14 GMT
Doesn't sound like there'll be a like-for-like replacement His role at the top is expected to be filled by a senior management team including experienced football operators like joint-chairman John Coates, head of finance John Pelling and club secretary Chris Laird as well as first team manager Michael O'Neill. Seems like the wording has slightly changed.. Article was edited at 19:01. No mention of Mon now. "His role at the top is expected to be filled by a senior management team reporting to joint-chairman John Coates, including experienced football operators like head of finance John Pelling, club secretary Chris Laird and head of commercial Gemma Hale."
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Post by Squeekster on Jan 6, 2022 22:22:46 GMT
Hopefully it's just as simple as Denise filling the role!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2022 23:03:34 GMT
I keep hearing this term 'young hungry players'. Becoming a bit of a cliche. Norwich for me a club who have thrown away multiple opportunities to establish themselves and wouldn't use them as a great example necessarily I disagree, perhaps not young, but hungry and unproven in this league. Youth like Aaron's, Jamal Lewis, the Murphy brothers, Godfrey, most of whom sold for big money. Then add unproven cheap foreign talent of the right age like buendia, stiepermann, vrancic plus experienced frees like pukki and grant Hanley and it's a recipe for sustainability and success. Yes they need to establish themselves and I think they will at some point soon, they will certainly have a good chance to stay up if they come down again. We have none of this foresight and planning. We just roll the dice and hope. Getting out of this league is a mighty tough task and Norwich surrender with a bit of a whimper and doing it again. They are showing no sign of learning from past errors. Must be frustrating for the fans
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Post by J-Roar on Jan 6, 2022 23:15:08 GMT
Drastic restructuring over the summer hopefully. No need. We've had a root and branch review of the club already and found nothing was wrong.
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 6, 2022 23:45:47 GMT
Drastic restructuring over the summer hopefully. No need. We've had a root and branch review of the club already and found nothing was wrong. Refer to my previous post above
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Post by samba :) on Jan 7, 2022 2:31:46 GMT
Hopefully for our the price of our tickets sake they replace him with a german
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 7, 2022 11:25:42 GMT
I don’t know what all the fuss is about © P Coates 2017 & 2022
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Post by anchorman on Jan 7, 2022 13:41:47 GMT
I'm not sure I recognise the club from Tony Scholes description in that article. He seems to think he is leaving everything on and off the pitch just tickety boo. No mention of the fact that we are plummeting down Division 2 faster than a greased pig and the matches are being played out in front of a less than half full stadium and the dwindling number of masochists in attendance have almost entirely lost interest in the whole thing! Never underestimate the power of denial Absolutely. Scholes is in complete denial. The very same man who predicted that we would 'do a Newcastle' and come straight back up whilst I suggested we would be closer to 'doing a Sunderland'. Make no mistake, we are in a mess and as much as I've longed for his departure, I'm really concerned at the timing of it and terrified at the prospect of John Coates flying solo without Scholes taking care of everything. John Coates needs to have a long hard look in the mirror, recognise his own limitations and then appoint true professional's to run this football club properly. Fingers well & truly crossed..................
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Post by J-Roar on Jan 7, 2022 14:01:35 GMT
Never underestimate the power of denial Absolutely. Scholes is in complete denial. The very same man who predicted that we would 'do a Newcastle' and come straight back up whilst I suggested we would be closer to 'doing a Sunderland'. Make no mistake, we are in a mess and as much as I've longed for his departure, I'm really concerned at the timing of it and terrified at the prospect of John Coates flying solo without Scholes taking care of everything. John Coates needs to have a long hard look in the mirror, recognise his own limitations and then appoint true professional's to run this football club properly. Fingers well & truly crossed.................. John Coates reminds me of the Prince Regent in Blackadder 3
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