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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 28, 2021 11:22:18 GMT
I went watch Sandbach the weekend we played Sheffield United away and on their gate they had a contactless machine. One that looked like it cost 30 quid from Amazon. No idea why we can't do that for pay on the gate?
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 28, 2021 14:01:45 GMT
My husband who helps with the finances at Mickleover reckons Stoke will have made a loss on last night with that attendance which makes you wonder why they didn't do more to promote it. Not sure how, the clubs biggest cost is the players wages which gets paid if we played or not. Can't cost that much to run a game,not like all the food outlets open, half the stewards. I know nothing about finance, just wondering how much a match day would cost. Bear in mind that for cup matches half the gate receipts have to go to the opposition unlike league games when the home club gets them all so that crowd last night was less than 5000 for Stoke. Out of that they would have to pay the refereeing team, police and stewarding of ground and car parks, all the casual staff that work on match days, ambulance costs, power costs for the flood lights and lighting around the stadium, cleaning staff after the game, hospitality staff, office staff working overtime, programme printing and probably other outgoings that I haven't thought of. I think a lower league referee costs Ā£35 +travel per match which means Stoke would have to effectively admit 4 adults just to cover that and I imagine that standard of referee costs more. Players as you say would be paid anyway but some may have received a bonus. Luckily no win bonus would have had to be paid!
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 28, 2021 14:07:35 GMT
I went watch Sandbach the weekend we played Sheffield United away and on their gate they had a contactless machine. One that looked like it cost 30 quid from Amazon. No idea why we can't do that for pay on the gate? Mickleover do too but they only have one turnstile and 300 fans. It would probably not work when you have thousands of fans and a mixture of pre bought tickets and pay on the gate with cash or card. I have not been to any large ground recently where you can pay on the turnstile.
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Post by dirtclod on Oct 28, 2021 16:46:50 GMT
I don't get this not being able to pay on the gate. FFS every opportunity to sell a ticket needs exploited. Lost revenue, even if it was just another 1000 tickets. Another 1000 tickets would have offset the cost of several card-readers.
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Post by bingbang on Oct 28, 2021 17:09:28 GMT
I moaned last night about not being able to pay on the gate, having seen the team I would have gone. The PR at Stoke with and for fans is non existent, last night West Ham charge a Ā£ for kids and get 60000. Out of those 60000 how many had burgers, pies, cokes etc at a probable 300 percent profit ? How many of the first time kids loved it and now want to go every week and purchase a West Ham top ? On top of this the team probably performed better thanks to the large vociferous crowd. Instead we had 8000 diehards who only turn up out of duty and canāt be arsed to create an atmosphere.As a club we have totally frozen in time regards the fans this is the reason I tried to get on the council. Pull your fingers out Stoke and start bringing this club into the 21st century.
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Post by Royal Donut on Oct 28, 2021 21:01:15 GMT
Not sure how, the clubs biggest cost is the players wages which gets paid if we played or not. Can't cost that much to run a game,not like all the food outlets open, half the stewards. I know nothing about finance, just wondering how much a match day would cost. Bear in mind that for cup matches half the gate receipts have to go to the opposition unlike league games when the home club gets them all so that crowd last night was less than 5000 for Stoke. Out of that they would have to pay the refereeing team, police and stewarding of ground and car parks, all the casual staff that work on match days, ambulance costs, power costs for the flood lights and lighting around the stadium, cleaning staff after the game, hospitality staff, office staff working overtime, programme printing and probably other outgoings that I haven't thought of. I think a lower league referee costs Ā£35 +travel per match which means Stoke would have to effectively admit 4 adults just to cover that and I imagine that standard of referee costs more. Players as you say would be paid anyway but some may have received a bonus. Luckily no win bonus would have had to be paid!Ā I heard it was 45% each and 10% to the FA, anyway it must be 45% of the profits not gate receipts or else financially better playing away from home, why would a home team pay the ref and other officials must be shared. Sure the car park must pay for it self at the prices they charge. The officials cost more than you think, assistant ref is on 800 per game in the prem not sure how much a drop one level would make. We might not of got a win bonus,but the players don't deserve any bonus either.
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Post by Royal Donut on Oct 28, 2021 21:02:32 GMT
I moaned last night about not being able to pay on the gate, having seen the team I would have gone. The PR at Stoke with and for fans is non existent, last night West Ham charge a Ā£ for kids and get 60000. Out of those 60000 how many had burgers, pies, cokes etc at a probable 300 percent profit ? How many of the first time kids loved it and now want to go every week and purchase a West Ham top ? On top of this the team probably performed better thanks to the large vociferous crowd. Instead we had 8000 diehards who only turn up out of duty and canāt be arsed to create an atmosphere.As a club we have totally frozen in time regards the fans this is the reason I tried to get on the council. Pull your fingers out Stoke and start bringing this club into the 21st century. I've been a season ticket holder for 22years all because of kids for a quid.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2021 13:28:34 GMT
Shocking attendance and shows where the club is at following four poor defeats in a row. This season is rapidly disintegrating and falling apart like last season. Iām not sure what the answers are but getting a damn defensive midfielder or two would be a start. Iāve never understood why we didnāt get one. Iām in disbelief. The crowd had almost nothing by do with our previous league defeats, look at our League Cup attendances over the years they are piss poorā¦.. Absolutely. Pretty much a cross the board as well. Not much interest in this cup from most clubs it seems and hasn' t been for a while.
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 29, 2021 13:58:31 GMT
The crowd had almost nothing by do with our previous league defeats, look at our League Cup attendances over the years they are piss poorā¦.. Absolutely. Pretty much a cross the board as well. Not much interest in this cup from most clubs it seems and hasn' t been for a while. Exactly. It's the competition itself rather than the club which doesn't seem to appeal to fans probably because teams make so many changes so even if a lower league club beat a Premier team there is no glory because the Premier team has played their youth team.. Still doesn't explain why Stoke didn't promote it to children and families though. I'm sure their are things they could have done to engage the younger fans - a family fan zone from 5pm somewhere before the match with competitions and activities for children. The education team who go out to schools weren't working this week (suppose they were probably running the holiday club) but still could have put a bit of effort into promoting the game somehow.
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Post by Scouse on Oct 29, 2021 17:42:39 GMT
Firstly the league cup has more often than not suffered from low attendances .. being seen as a secondary cup competition and games being played midweek two of the original issues ..the fact that the majority of clubs now send out greatly changed teams has become another ..the clubs have reaped what they first sowed
Added to the above is the increased % of supporters being season ticket holders ..actually in old money thatās league match book holders rather than ST holders ..but what that means is for many they spent their footie budget when they bought their ST ..often telling their kids you can have a ST , but donāt come asking for more later on .. which holds true unless the fixture is particularly very attractive ā¦ with respect a tie against newly promoted Brentford , thatās likely to end in defeat didnāt tick the boxes as overly attractive , regardless of price
Brentfordās following was pretty good to be fair .. anyone know if they operate a points system for away fixtures and therefore a league cup game is an easier fixture to get on the points ladder and imperative to those that need 100% away attendance to see get to see high profile prem away tickets
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Post by leicspotter on Oct 29, 2021 18:24:22 GMT
Don't the club insist on having your details on file before you can purchase a ticket? That being the case, pay on the gate would be a non starter.
I may be wrong of course, but I've never been able to purchase tickets on line without the recipient being pre registered...just a thought
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2021 20:48:10 GMT
Absolutely. Pretty much a cross the board as well. Not much interest in this cup from most clubs it seems and hasn' t been for a while. Exactly. It's the competition itself rather than the club which doesn't seem to appeal to fans probably because teams make so many changes so even if a lower league club beat a Premier team there is no glory because the Premier team has played their youth team.. Still doesn't explain why Stoke didn't promote it to children and families though. I'm sure their are things they could have done to engage the younger fans - a family fan zone from 5pm somewhere before the match with competitions and activities for children. The education team who go out to schools weren't working this week (suppose they were probably running the holiday club) but still could have put a bit of effort into promoting the game somehow. Maybe but is it worth it? Do kids want to be in a fan zone on a horrible midweek night to see 2 second string sides? I'm sure the young kids who went to say Deepdale were underwhelmed when they saw the Liverpool side and beating Prem sides has no real excitement about it when you look at the line ups.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2021 21:48:19 GMT
Shockingly bad attendance really.
The club could have done more with regards to deals, but fans also just don't seem to care as much about driving the team forward like they have in the past.
I do think that the club has been very complacent and that Scholes' "fans can't wait to get back in" comments were obviously a bit wide of the mark given that the ground never seems more than 65-70% full.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Oct 29, 2021 22:46:02 GMT
Donāt blame me, I had to go to Tenerife on holiday āļø
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 30, 2021 9:32:10 GMT
Exactly. It's the competition itself rather than the club which doesn't seem to appeal to fans probably because teams make so many changes so even if a lower league club beat a Premier team there is no glory because the Premier team has played their youth team.. Still doesn't explain why Stoke didn't promote it to children and families though. I'm sure their are things they could have done to engage the younger fans - a family fan zone from 5pm somewhere before the match with competitions and activities for children. The education team who go out to schools weren't working this week (suppose they were probably running the holiday club) but still could have put a bit of effort into promoting the game somehow. Maybe but is it worth it? Do kids want to be in a fan zone on a horrible midweek night to see 2 second string sides? I'm sure the young kids who went to say Deepdale were underwhelmed when they saw the Liverpool side and beating Prem sides has no real excitement about it when you look at the line ups. I think for young kids if they've not been to a football match before just the noise, crowds of people and the lights is exciting. My parents said when they first took me to a match I stood all match with my back to the pitch watching the crowd blissfully unaware that one of the greatest footballers of all time (Stanley Matthews) was on the pitch. They are not that bothered about the players just want to be part of it all. Of course they also want Stoke to win but that can't be arranged. If the club made the experience an enjoyable one they will want to come back. I do genuinely think Stoke usually make a very good effort at recruiting young fans but missed an opportunity on Wednesday. I think my point is that young children are far less likely to be disappointed in the line ups than anyone else so these cup matches are a great opportunity to get them involved.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 11:01:20 GMT
We got to the last 16 this season and the last 8 in 2020/21 so I'd suggest it's the fans that can't be arsed more than the players/management team........ I meant SCFC as in the club doing NOTHING innovative to boost the crowd. Having said that the only way they may have done that last night would be to give away thousands of tickets. Last nights game was a āHard Sellā for many reasons. I donāt know why people are surprised. can you give away tickets for cup games without the consent of the opposition? The club has done great things in keeping prices down over the years for us fans. The games to be boosting crowds should be a Saturday afternoon for me but some good points made by a few.
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Post by march4 on Oct 30, 2021 11:15:58 GMT
If they donāt sort the horrendous parking issues quickly, the attendances will dwindle and dwindle.
It is just turned 12 noon and Iām starting to get ready to leave home to make sure I can park.
This is unsustainable and after many decades of rarely missing a home game, Iām seriously considering not going until itās sorted.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 30, 2021 11:27:13 GMT
I went watch Sandbach the weekend we played Sheffield United away and on their gate they had a contactless machine. One that looked like it cost 30 quid from Amazon. No idea why we can't do that for pay on the gate? Mickleover do too but they only have one turnstile and 300 fans. It would probably not work when you have thousands of fans and a mixture of pre bought tickets and pay on the gate with cash or card. I have not been to any large ground recently where you can pay on the turnstile.Ā Dereham town have a strange concept itās called cash And I f you havenāt got any thereās a cash point about a quarter of a mile away
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