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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Oct 23, 2021 16:34:10 GMT
1 Shocking from the manager & the team. I like Mon as a person but not as a manager completely been out thought two weeks on the run. I see us losing to Cardiff next week if they have appointed a new manager.
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 23, 2021 17:08:20 GMT
2 Sawyers?? What’s the obsession. Wilmot at right wing back? Joe Allen? Captain? Presumably the only other option at right back was Ince as Smith was injured in the warm up I'm guessing his replacement had to be on the original bench. Ostigard in and Wilmot at right back would be most people's first choice in that scenario although I could make a case for Ostigard having to go to full back as I think as few changes as possible when a regular gets injured. I can see the logic though as Wilmot is much better at bringing the ball out. My question is when does luck start to go with us? This time last year Powell, Fletcher and Campbell looked the real business until Fletcher collided with the hoardings and Campbell did his knee. The three haven't played together since and just as Campbell comes back, Powell breaks his leg. Today our top assist provider and one of the top ones in the division gets injured in the warm up. How many teams have this sort of luck? No excuse I know but we've got to get the rub of the green sometime surely.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 23, 2021 17:11:42 GMT
What I don’t get with the Wilmot thing is why leave two wing backs out of your matchday squad, have Ince on the bench, and then play Wilmot there when your wing back gets injured?!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 23, 2021 17:12:32 GMT
2 Sawyers?? What’s the obsession. Wilmot at right wing back? Joe Allen? Captain? Presumably the only other option at right back was Ince as Smith was injured in the warm up I'm guessing his replacement had to be on the original bench. Ostigard in and Wilmot at right back would be most people's first choice in that scenario although I could make a case for Ostigard having to go to full back as I think as few changes as possible when a regular gets injured. I can see the logic though as Wilmot is much better at bringing the ball out. My question is when does luck start to go with us? This time last year Powell, Fletcher and Campbell looked the real business until Fletcher collided with the hoardings and Campbell did his knee. The three haven't played together since and just as Campbell comes back, Powell breaks his leg. Today our top assist provider and one of the top ones in the division gets injured in the warm up. How many teams have this sort of luck? No excuse I know but we've got to get the rub of the green sometime surely. Duhaney was on the bench. Blaming luck is just nonsense sorry.
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 23, 2021 17:13:11 GMT
What I don’t get with the Wilmot thing is why leave two wing backs out of your matchday squad, have Ince on the bench, and then play Wilmot there when your wing back gets injured?! Would you have wanted Ince on to defend? I can't imagine many argued when the choice was originally made.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 23, 2021 17:14:51 GMT
What I don’t get with the Wilmot thing is why leave two wing backs out of your matchday squad, have Ince on the bench, and then play Wilmot there when your wing back gets injured?! Would you have wanted Ince on to defend? I can't imagine many argued when the choice was originally made. My point is why was he on the bench instead of actual wing backs? What other role in the side in that set up is he able to play?
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 23, 2021 17:15:33 GMT
Presumably the only other option at right back was Ince as Smith was injured in the warm up I'm guessing his replacement had to be on the original bench. Ostigard in and Wilmot at right back would be most people's first choice in that scenario although I could make a case for Ostigard having to go to full back as I think as few changes as possible when a regular gets injured. I can see the logic though as Wilmot is much better at bringing the ball out. My question is when does luck start to go with us? This time last year Powell, Fletcher and Campbell looked the real business until Fletcher collided with the hoardings and Campbell did his knee. The three haven't played together since and just as Campbell comes back, Powell breaks his leg. Today our top assist provider and one of the top ones in the division gets injured in the warm up. How many teams have this sort of luck? No excuse I know but we've got to get the rub of the green sometime surely. Duhaney was on the bench. Blaming luck is just nonsense sorry. Only after Smith's injury and Ostigard's promotion to the team. As I say I guess the replacement had to come from the original bench but I might be wrong. I'm not blaming luck for the result I'm just fed up of the number of freak injuries we seem to get to key players.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 23, 2021 17:17:33 GMT
Duhaney was on the bench. Blaming luck is just nonsense sorry. Only after Smith's injury and Ostigard's promotion to the team. As I say I guess the replacement had to come from the original bench but I might be wrong. I'm not blaming luck for the result I'm just fed up of the number of freak injuries we seem to get to key players. That might be the case I’m not sure. Seems daft if that’s the case. But Ostigard as a wing back would make way more sense if that was the case? We’ve got plenty in the squad to cope. Today was about some real strange management.
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 23, 2021 17:25:38 GMT
Only after Smith's injury and Ostigard's promotion to the team. As I say I guess the replacement had to come from the original bench but I might be wrong. I'm not blaming luck for the result I'm just fed up of the number of freak injuries we seem to get to key players. That might be the case I’m not sure. Seems daft if that’s the case. But Ostigard as a wing back would make way more sense if that was the case? We’ve got plenty in the squad to cope. Today was about some real strange management. I said the same about Ostigard above but I don't think he could play wing back. His passing is his weakness so I can see the logic. Before the match the consensus seemed to be that it was a good team. Not what I would have picked. I think if you play Sawyers and Vrancic you need two defensive players ie Thompson with them. I would then have picked the striker I thought holds the ball up best. That is Fletcher but he's still obviously not fit enough to start. I can see the Fletcher and Campbell subs as they played well together last year. The last one was the last toss of the dice with the only other attacking player on the bench to try to get that goal back.
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Post by tqstokie on Oct 23, 2021 17:35:47 GMT
3. His obsession with Chester and his treatment of Thompson says it all really. I also do not think you can have both Vrancic and Sawyers. Sawyers and Vrancic should be rotated at half time. Campbell got in good positions but is not yet up to speed. Team selection and substitutions bewilder me at times.
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Post by march4 on Oct 23, 2021 17:57:32 GMT
2 from me for a solid first half.
Left Surridge on too long.
Picked a midfield with little defensive capability.
Presided over a second half of disorganisation with heads dropping.
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Post by scfcwebby on Oct 23, 2021 17:57:40 GMT
Fail to see where I gab give a single point of I'm honest.
Poor line up, poor tactics, poor in game management.
De ja vous from last season
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 23, 2021 18:08:03 GMT
Fail to see where I gab give a single point of I'm honest. Poor line up, poor tactics, poor in game management. De ja vous from last season 0 Your phone call post match was pathetic but then again I’d expect no other bar Mad Jim🙄You cant wait to stick the knife in can you🤔He’s had a bad week but 22 days ago we were the best team since sliced bread apparently.
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Post by scfcwebby on Oct 23, 2021 18:17:38 GMT
Fail to see where I gab give a single point of I'm honest. Poor line up, poor tactics, poor in game management. De ja vous from last season 0 Your phone call post match was pathetic but then again I’d expect no other bar Mad Jim🙄You cant wait to stick the knife in can you🤔He’s had a bad week but 22 days ago we were the best team since sliced bread apparently. No, I cant wait to comment on what I'm seeing, as I've said a number of times, it was a clean slate from me this season and it started well but the same mistakes are happening again and I fear that it's going exactly the same way as last season did. I like the guy but I just can't like his set up or in game management, or even his inability to learn from mistakes that he makes over and over again. We have looked awful for big chunks of the last 6 games (barring West Brom) why can't people have an opinion that differs from yours. Im not prepared to get into personal wars with you like you did last season, instead why don't you come up with a constructive counter argument to the points you disagree with? I wont call another fan "pathetic" for having an opinion that's different to mine, but why should fans not be able to voice their opinion over fear of having personal insults thrown around by people like you that think you have a devine right on this board to ridicule and shoot down every one you don't agree with?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 18:19:24 GMT
Fail to see where I gab give a single point of I'm honest. Poor line up, poor tactics, poor in game management. De ja vous from last season 0 "Thompson dropped is extremely odd... Other than that, not bad" Your exact words on the first comment to your team line up thread 5 hours ago. Proof that the manager simply can't win with idiots like you about.
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Post by scfcwebby on Oct 23, 2021 18:24:19 GMT
Fail to see where I gab give a single point of I'm honest. Poor line up, poor tactics, poor in game management. De ja vous from last season 0 "Thompson dropped is extremely odd... Other than that, not bad" Your exact words on the first comment to your team line up thread 5 hours ago. Proof that the manager simply can't win with idiots like you about. And that 1 thing that he did (drop Thompson even though he was out best player mid week) and playing a 3 that CLEARLY doesn't work meant we lost the midfield battle and in turn lost the game. He then changed a RWB (forced I know) for a CB and pushed another CB out wide who had been poor in the position he is meant to play in. I thought you'd said on another thread that you were staying off tonight? It's idiots like you that poison the board because somebody didn't agree with you... Boo hoo
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 23, 2021 18:24:41 GMT
Your phone call post match was pathetic but then again I’d expect no other bar Mad Jim🙄You cant wait to stick the knife in can you🤔He’s had a bad week but 22 days ago we were the best team since sliced bread apparently. No, I cant wait to comment on what I'm seeing, as I've said a number of times, it was a clean slate from me this season and it started well but the same mistakes are happening again and I fear that it's going exactly the same way as last season did. I like the guy but I just can't like his set up or in game management, or even his inability to learn from mistakes that he makes over and over again. We have looked awful for big chunks of the last 6 games (barring West Brom) why can't people have an opinion that differs from yours. Im not prepared to get into personal wars with you like you did last season, instead why don't you come up with a constructive counter argument to the points you disagree with? I wont call another fan "pathetic" for having an opinion that's different to mine, but why should fans not be able to voice their opinion over fear of having personal insults thrown around by people like you that think you have a devine right on this board to ridicule and shoot down every one you don't agree with? Clean slate my arse🤣Youre like many other posters who disappear after we win🤔I wonder why? Like other posters have said maybe the players need to take some of the blame but never a mention of that from you but just the usual crap you spout on the radio.O’Neill had had a bad week in lots of ways but that doesn’t mean we call for his head for me
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 23, 2021 18:29:15 GMT
He clearly sets the team up well and we start really promisingly, he just hasn't got a fucking clue how to manage changing situations during a match. Really worrying.
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Post by scfcwebby on Oct 23, 2021 18:29:59 GMT
No, I cant wait to comment on what I'm seeing, as I've said a number of times, it was a clean slate from me this season and it started well but the same mistakes are happening again and I fear that it's going exactly the same way as last season did. I like the guy but I just can't like his set up or in game management, or even his inability to learn from mistakes that he makes over and over again. We have looked awful for big chunks of the last 6 games (barring West Brom) why can't people have an opinion that differs from yours. Im not prepared to get into personal wars with you like you did last season, instead why don't you come up with a constructive counter argument to the points you disagree with? I wont call another fan "pathetic" for having an opinion that's different to mine, but why should fans not be able to voice their opinion over fear of having personal insults thrown around by people like you that think you have a devine right on this board to ridicule and shoot down every one you don't agree with? Clean slate my arse🤣Youre like many other posters who disappear after we win🤔I wonder why? Like other posters have said maybe the players need to take some of the blame but never a mention of that from you but just the usual crap you spout on the radio.O’Neill had had a bad week in lots of ways but that doesn’t mean we call for his head for me Now you're making stuff up. When we have played well I've come out and said as much and I've praised MON when it has been deserved. I will also say when we've done things wrong. If you want to happy clap, that's fine. I've also praised on radio stoke when we've deserved it, don't see you commenting then though. I haven't actually said that he should be sacked, I've said that he won't take us up. If you're happy with that then that's fine.
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Post by questionable on Oct 23, 2021 18:41:47 GMT
For me he does what he does, starts off brightly and then completely loses the plot and has absolutely no idea on how to organise/motivate a team other than for a few months, once the situation declines he’ll revert back to safety first.
His attacking know how is a completely unbalanced side and bizzare team selections and substitutions.
Not a manager for a tough long hard season.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Oct 23, 2021 18:48:02 GMT
"Thompson dropped is extremely odd... Other than that, not bad" Your exact words on the first comment to your team line up thread 5 hours ago. Proof that the manager simply can't win with idiots like you about. And that 1 thing that he did (drop Thompson even though he was out best player mid week) and playing a 3 that CLEARLY doesn't work meant we lost the midfield battle and in turn lost the game. He then changed a RWB (forced I know) for a CB and pushed another CB out wide who had been poor in the position he is meant to play in. I thought you'd said on another thread that you were staying off tonight? It's idiots like you that poison the board because somebody didn't agree with you... Boo hoo I think the point he's making is that if you say that 1 mistake fucked the whole thing and made it a "poor line up" amd it was a 3 that "CLEARLY" doesn't work, that doean't really sit with your earlier "other than that, not bad" comment does it really? You are allowed to just say "yeah, i'll hold my hands up and admit my first comment was obviously just wrong" y'know. To be fair to vince, when you say people are allowed different opinions to his (which they are), it makes it difficult to know your opinion if it changes completely over the course of the 90 minites from a "not bad" lineup to a "poor line up...that clearly doesn't work". Wasn't so clear to you before the game was it by the looks of it?
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Post by RAF on Oct 23, 2021 18:51:13 GMT
And that 1 thing that he did (drop Thompson even though he was out best player mid week) and playing a 3 that CLEARLY doesn't work meant we lost the midfield battle and in turn lost the game. He then changed a RWB (forced I know) for a CB and pushed another CB out wide who had been poor in the position he is meant to play in. I thought you'd said on another thread that you were staying off tonight? It's idiots like you that poison the board because somebody didn't agree with you... Boo hoo I think the point he's making is that if you say that 1 mistake fucked the whole thing and made it a "poor line up" amd it was a 3 that "CLEARLY" doesn't work, that doean't really sit with your earlier "other than that, not bad" comment does it really? You are allowed to just say "yeah, i'll hold my hands up and admit my first comment was obviously just wrong" y'know. Don't hold your fucking breath there Mick! H
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Post by thepottypotter on Oct 23, 2021 18:53:06 GMT
3 - no balance in the team and doesn’t have a plan B
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 23, 2021 18:57:21 GMT
Clean slate my arse🤣Youre like many other posters who disappear after we win🤔I wonder why? Like other posters have said maybe the players need to take some of the blame but never a mention of that from you but just the usual crap you spout on the radio.O’Neill had had a bad week in lots of ways but that doesn’t mean we call for his head for me Now you're making stuff up. When we have played well I've come out and said as much and I've praised MON when it has been deserved. I will also say when we've done things wrong. If you want to happy clap, that's fine. I've also praised on radio stoke when we've deserved it, don't see you commenting then though. I haven't actually said that he should be sacked, I've said that he won't take us up. If you're happy with that then that's fine. I’d have a listen back to your call like I’ve just done and get back to me on that one🤔
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Post by scfcwebby on Oct 23, 2021 19:07:45 GMT
And that 1 thing that he did (drop Thompson even though he was out best player mid week) and playing a 3 that CLEARLY doesn't work meant we lost the midfield battle and in turn lost the game. He then changed a RWB (forced I know) for a CB and pushed another CB out wide who had been poor in the position he is meant to play in. I thought you'd said on another thread that you were staying off tonight? It's idiots like you that poison the board because somebody didn't agree with you... Boo hoo I think the point he's making is that if you say that 1 mistake fucked the whole thing and made it a "poor line up" amd it was a 3 that "CLEARLY" doesn't work, that doean't really sit with your earlier "other than that, not bad" comment does it really? You are allowed to just say "yeah, i'll hold my hands up and admit my first comment was obviously just wrong" y'know. To be fair to vince, when you say people are allowed different opinions to his (which they are), it makes it difficult to know your opinion if it changes completely over the course of the 90 minites from a "not bad" lineup to a "poor line up...that clearly doesn't work". Wasn't so clear to you before the game was it by the looks of it? Bar the midfield, i don't think it was that bad a line up mate, and I think if Sawyers was used correctly, the 3 that was used today could be alot more effective. In hindsight, if anything, I think it's my "poor team" comment on this thread that was harsh and I got wrong if I'm honest. On paper, not many changes would have been made by many, other than thompson for One of the 3 and maybe Fletcher for Surridge. I stand by my "poor in game management" comment though
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 19:09:23 GMT
"Thompson dropped is extremely odd... Other than that, not bad" Your exact words on the first comment to your team line up thread 5 hours ago. Proof that the manager simply can't win with idiots like you about. And that 1 thing that he did (drop Thompson even though he was out best player mid week) and playing a 3 that CLEARLY doesn't work meant we lost the midfield battle and in turn lost the game. He then changed a RWB (forced I know) for a CB and pushed another CB out wide who had been poor in the position he is meant to play in. I thought you'd said on another thread that you were staying off tonight? It's idiots like you that poison the board because somebody didn't agree with you... Boo hoo How can the line up be "not bad" but then after we have lost it was "piss poor"? You're disagreeing with yourself, you don't need me to do it. This is nothing about you having a different opinion to me, I'm taking offence to the complete bullshit you are talking because we have a lost a few games.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Oct 23, 2021 19:14:19 GMT
I think the point he's making is that if you say that 1 mistake fucked the whole thing and made it a "poor line up" amd it was a 3 that "CLEARLY" doesn't work, that doean't really sit with your earlier "other than that, not bad" comment does it really? You are allowed to just say "yeah, i'll hold my hands up and admit my first comment was obviously just wrong" y'know. To be fair to vince, when you say people are allowed different opinions to his (which they are), it makes it difficult to know your opinion if it changes completely over the course of the 90 minites from a "not bad" lineup to a "poor line up...that clearly doesn't work". Wasn't so clear to you before the game was it by the looks of it? Bar the midfield, i don't think it was that bad a line up mate, and I think if Sawyers was used correctly, the 3 that was used today could be alot more effective. In hindsight, if anything, I think it's my "poor team" comment on this thread that was harsh and I got wrong if I'm honest. On paper, not many changes would have been made by many, other than thompson for One of the 3 and maybe Fletcher for Surridge. I stand by my "poor in game management" comment though Fair response mate, don't disagree with much you've put there at all
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Post by scfcwebby on Oct 23, 2021 19:17:46 GMT
And that 1 thing that he did (drop Thompson even though he was out best player mid week) and playing a 3 that CLEARLY doesn't work meant we lost the midfield battle and in turn lost the game. He then changed a RWB (forced I know) for a CB and pushed another CB out wide who had been poor in the position he is meant to play in. I thought you'd said on another thread that you were staying off tonight? It's idiots like you that poison the board because somebody didn't agree with you... Boo hoo How can the line up be "not bad" but then after we have lost it was "piss poor"? You're disagreeing with yourself, you don't need me to do it. This is nothing about you having a different opinion to me, I'm taking offence to the complete bullshit you are talking because we have a lost a few games. As I've just said to MMLC, in hindsight, my "poor team selection" comment on my post earlier was harsh and incorrect as in all honesty, there's only 2 changes I would probably have made before the game. Straight after the game the emotions run high.
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Post by barky1 on Oct 25, 2021 9:07:09 GMT
I read all this negativity re MON There’s a saying be careful what you wish for
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Post by barky1 on Oct 25, 2021 9:07:44 GMT
I read all this negativity re MON There’s a saying be careful what you wish for
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