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Post by musik on Sept 16, 2021 10:45:01 GMT
In Sweden it has become very popular in recent years to find out who your old long gone relatves were.
Genealogy.
Spit some saliva into a tube and send it somewhere by post.
I don't believe in it one bit.
Has anyone actually tried this?
Tell me.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 16, 2021 10:52:01 GMT
Probably just a big brother collection of DNA exercise. Avoid if I were you or you will be in a database somewhere.
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Post by musik on Sept 16, 2021 10:57:21 GMT
I mean, trace a specific person back to the year 1416??
11 generations back?
Seriously?
Doesn't it require a saliva sample from that person too?
Yeah you can conclude a certain area perhaps, but ... hardly on individual level.
Thoughts?
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Post by Kilo on Sept 16, 2021 11:07:32 GMT
In Sweden it has become very popular in recent years to find out who your old long gone relatves were. Genealogy. Spit some saliva into a tube and send it somewhere by post. I don't believe in it one bit. Has anyone actually tried this? Tell me. My mate did it and found out he was biologically related to his wife which their kids weren't very impressed with. He also found out his father was one of the highest percentages of Englishness they'd ever seen although that was offset by his mothers side of the family who obviously put it about a bit. Her family had a high percentage in Ireland and Scandanavia so maybe you're related  I've been doing a bit of genealogy after getting the deeds to my house and researching the past owners which included the Earl of Dudley who owned Dudley Castle, Himley Hall and most of the coal mines in Staffordshire. I also found out my Grandfather and Grandmother were stewards of a club in Hanley where the Arnold Bennett statue now stands. My Father disputed it until he found out it was before he was born. (They also ran the Butchers Arms in Audley) All quite interesing (for me) but I've not done the spitting thing. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2021 11:22:42 GMT
I did the DNA ethnicity test about 5 years ago (it was bought for me as present)
can't remember the exact percentages but I'm only 12% British
mostly western European (which was defined as Belgium,France,Germany & Holland) with a good chunk of Irish (as I think many people in Britain are) with small percentages of Scandinavian, Iberian, Finnish, Russian & 1% native American (which was a surprise but apparently relates to all the American native peoples)
edit: much of the above was a surprise
was expecting some Irish & some Iberian & I think Scandinavian is to be expected for most British people
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Post by bucknall67 on Sept 16, 2021 11:31:36 GMT
My brother did it a few years ago.
My fathers side was from Scandinavia whilst my mothers side was from Northern Spain/Southern France.
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Post by musik on Sept 16, 2021 11:31:52 GMT
In Sweden it has become very popular in recent years to find out who your old long gone relatves were. Genealogy. Spit some saliva into a tube and send it somewhere by post. I don't believe in it one bit. Has anyone actually tried this? Tell me. My mate did it and found out he was biologically related to his wife which their kids weren't very impressed with. He also found out his father was one of the highest percentages of Englishness they'd ever seen although that was offset by his mothers side of the family who obviously put it about a bit. Her family had a high percentage in Ireland and Scandanavia so maybe you're related I've been doing a bit of genealogy after getting the deeds to my house and researching the past owners which included the Earl of Dudley who owned Dudley Castle, Himley Hall and most of the coal mines in Staffordshire. I also found out my Grandfather and Grandmother were stewards of a club in Hanley where the Arnold Bennett statue now stands. My Father disputed it until he found out it was before he was born. (They also ran the Butchers Arms in Audley) All quite interesing (for me) but I've not done the spitting thing. It's actually the spitting I'm doubtful about.🤤 Going through church books and archives is probably more what I would go for. How long back is it possible to go? |
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Post by musik on Sept 16, 2021 11:36:13 GMT
My brother did it a few years ago. My fathers side was from Scandinavia whilst my mothers side was from Northern Spain/Southern France. Ok. How many generations did they go back to find out that Scandinavian and Spain/France side respectively? I mean, normally you'd know where the grandparents came from. |
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Post by musik on Sept 16, 2021 11:41:25 GMT
I did the DNA ethnicity test about 5 years ago (it was bought for me as present) can't remember the exact percentages but I'm only 12% British mostly western European (which was defined as Belgium,France,Germany & Holland) with a good chunk of Irish (as I think many people in Britain are) with small percentages of Scandinavian, Iberian, Finnish, Russian & 1% native American (which was a surprise but apparently relates to all the American native peoples) edit: much of the above was a surprise was expecting some Irish & some Iberian & I think Scandinavian is to be expected for most British people They must have looked way back then? Many many hundreds of years? 12% British? You were born somewhere else and your parents aren't British? Someday ... hopefully ... I will take not only 1, but 2-3 saliva tests and see if there are any differences between the results. |
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Post by Kilo on Sept 16, 2021 11:44:13 GMT
My mate did it and found out he was biologically related to his wife which their kids weren't very impressed with. He also found out his father was one of the highest percentages of Englishness they'd ever seen although that was offset by his mothers side of the family who obviously put it about a bit. Her family had a high percentage in Ireland and Scandanavia so maybe you're related I've been doing a bit of genealogy after getting the deeds to my house and researching the past owners which included the Earl of Dudley who owned Dudley Castle, Himley Hall and most of the coal mines in Staffordshire. I also found out my Grandfather and Grandmother were stewards of a club in Hanley where the Arnold Bennett statue now stands. My Father disputed it until he found out it was before he was born. (They also ran the Butchers Arms in Audley) All quite interesing (for me) but I've not done the spitting thing. It's actually the spitting I'm doubtful about.🤤 Going through church books and archives is probably more what I would go for. How long back is it possible to go? My Mothers side (Nixon) I've gone back to 1510 My Fathers side (Keeling) I've gone back to James Keeling in 1710 although I was rather hoping I might find a route to Captain William Keeling who discovered the Keeling Islands in the Indian Ocean in 1609 to give me an even better reason to go sailing there. Sadly, records get a bit sketchy beyond the 1700's in the UK unless you belong to nobility. Sir John Keeling owned Sedgley a few hundred years back and I've tried to claim back rent off my mates who live there but they're not playing ball.
The spitting bit only gives percentages of where your genes go back to so you can't prove you're a direct descendant unless you dig up their bones which I think is frowned upon.
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Post by bucknall67 on Sept 16, 2021 11:52:04 GMT
I did the DNA ethnicity test about 5 years ago (it was bought for me as present) can't remember the exact percentages but I'm only 12% British mostly western European (which was defined as Belgium,France,Germany & Holland) with a good chunk of Irish (as I think many people in Britain are) with small percentages of Scandinavian, Iberian, Finnish, Russian & 1% native American (which was a surprise but apparently relates to all the American native peoples) edit: much of the above was a surprise was expecting some Irish & some Iberian & I think Scandinavian is to be expected for most British people They must have looked way back then? Many many hundreds of years? 12% British? You were born somewhere else and your parents aren't British? Someday ... hopefully ... I will take not only 1, but 2-3 saliva tests and see if there are any differences between the results. Likewise. |
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Post by musik on Sept 16, 2021 11:55:19 GMT
It's actually the spitting I'm doubtful about.🤤 Going through church books and archives is probably more what I would go for. How long back is it possible to go? My Mothers side (Nixon) I've gone back to 1510 My Fathers side (Keeling) I've gone back to James Keeling in 1710 although I was rather hoping I might find a route to Captain William Keeling who discovered the Keeling Islands in the Indian Ocean in 1609 to give me an even better reason to go sailing there. Sadly, records get a bit sketchy beyond the 1700's in the UK unless you belong to nobility. Sir John Keeling owned Sedgley a few hundred years back and I've tried to claim back rent off my mates who live there but they're not playing ball. The spitting bit only gives percentages of where your genes go back to so you can't prove you're a direct descendant unless you dig up their bones which I think is frowned upon.
Well my mother don't know much about her parents at all due to the Russian invasion and on my father's side some went from Sweden to USA for luck, as many did then. So I would expect to find a Swedish, Finnish, American, Russian mix. "The spitting bit only gives percentages". There you said it! 🤠 The main reason I created this thread in the first place. More and more advertisment recently from companies claiming you'll get specific details about your relatives on individual level by taking a saliva test. |
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Post by neworleanstokie on Sept 16, 2021 16:07:49 GMT
40% Potteries
25% Scotland
14% Ireland
12% Wales
10% Norway - the Viking bit
All of which ties back to my family tree which now goes back to the early 1500's Barlaston ... I have family ties to Newcastle-Under-Lyme going back the late 1100's. Members of my extended family were involved in the wool trade in the 1400's Ellastone, the potteries Burslem in the 1700's, founded the US Navy during the War of Independence and were at the helm of the Titanic.
I have no interest in meeting any present day relatives I don't already know exist.
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2021 16:20:27 GMT
I did the DNA ethnicity test about 5 years ago (it was bought for me as present) can't remember the exact percentages but I'm only 12% British mostly western European (which was defined as Belgium,France,Germany & Holland) with a good chunk of Irish (as I think many people in Britain are) with small percentages of Scandinavian, Iberian, Finnish, Russian & 1% native American (which was a surprise but apparently relates to all the American native peoples) edit: much of the above was a surprise was expecting some Irish & some Iberian & I think Scandinavian is to be expected for most British people They must have looked way back then? Many many hundreds of years? 12% British? You were born somewhere else and your parents aren't British? Someday ... hopefully ... I will take not only 1, but 2-3 saliva tests and see if there are any differences between the results. Yes way back, it goes back hundreds and possibly thousands of years Parents and grandparents all British go back further and it gets complicated |
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 16, 2021 17:11:18 GMT
I did the DNA ethnicity test about 5 years ago (it was bought for me as present) can't remember the exact percentages but I'm only 12% British mostly western European (which was defined as Belgium,France,Germany & Holland) with a good chunk of Irish (as I think many people in Britain are) with small percentages of Scandinavian, Iberian, Finnish, Russian & 1% native American (which was a surprise but apparently relates to all the American native peoples) edit: much of the above was a surprise was expecting some Irish & some Iberian & I think Scandinavian is to be expected for most British people No Canadian 😉 |
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2021 17:14:52 GMT
I did the DNA ethnicity test about 5 years ago (it was bought for me as present) can't remember the exact percentages but I'm only 12% British mostly western European (which was defined as Belgium,France,Germany & Holland) with a good chunk of Irish (as I think many people in Britain are) with small percentages of Scandinavian, Iberian, Finnish, Russian & 1% native American (which was a surprise but apparently relates to all the American native peoples) edit: much of the above was a surprise was expecting some Irish & some Iberian & I think Scandinavian is to be expected for most British people No Canadian 😉 1% Native American so maybe |
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Post by mattador78 on Sept 16, 2021 18:01:33 GMT
On my family name side so the male half I can trace a lineage and it’s been done by a family member, going back to the Middle Ages in north staffs south Cheshire. The married into bit throws in the Welsh and the Irish when you get just a couple of generations in
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Post by Veritas on Sept 16, 2021 18:33:19 GMT
On my family name side so the male half I can trace a lineage and it’s been done by a family member, going back to the Middle Ages in north staffs south Cheshire. The married into bit throws in the Welsh and the Irish when you get just a couple of generations in Sorry to burst your balloon but unless you are related to royalty your family can't have traced your roots back to the middle ages. In terms of Irish genealogy you are lucky to get back to 1840 because of the paucity of records. |
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Post by neworleanstokie on Sept 16, 2021 19:30:08 GMT
On my family name side so the male half I can trace a lineage and it’s been done by a family member, going back to the Middle Ages in north staffs south Cheshire. The married into bit throws in the Welsh and the Irish when you get just a couple of generations in Sorry to burst your balloon but unless you are related to royalty your family can't have traced your roots back to the middle ages. In terms of Irish genealogy you are lucky to get back to 1840 because of the paucity of records. English church records go back to the early 1500's (Henry VIII wanted to keep tabs on people for tax purposes). Pre-1500s you are looking at various documents to pull together a family tree- extremely challenging. I have not had any luck with Ireland further back than mid 1800s. One thing I have found is that people did not move around much pre-1800 as it was so difficult to travel. If they did it was often related to broad political, religious or economic changes. |
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Post by mattador78 on Sept 16, 2021 20:18:14 GMT
On my family name side so the male half I can trace a lineage and it’s been done by a family member, going back to the Middle Ages in north staffs south Cheshire. The married into bit throws in the Welsh and the Irish when you get just a couple of generations in Sorry to burst your balloon but unless you are related to royalty your family can't have traced your roots back to the middle ages. In terms of Irish genealogy you are lucky to get back to 1840 because of the paucity of records. It was done through church records I lay no claim to it being accurate concise and precise but the general principal is of the family being here in that period |
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Post by Veritas on Sept 16, 2021 22:05:41 GMT
Sorry to burst your balloon but unless you are related to royalty your family can't have traced your roots back to the middle ages. In terms of Irish genealogy you are lucky to get back to 1840 because of the paucity of records. It was done through church records I lay no claim to it being accurate concise and precise but the general principal is of the family being here in that period Unfortunately I don't think it will stand up to scrutiny |
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Post by Kilo on Sept 16, 2021 23:58:12 GMT
It was done through church records I lay no claim to it being accurate concise and precise but the general principal is of the family being here in that period Unfortunately I don't think itit standa up to scrutiny My house was only built in 1914 but in looking into the surname of the bloke who built it I only have to go back to 1841 before there were three different spellings of his surname and two different for the village name so general records before that date are likely to be a bit sketchy. |
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Post by mattador78 on Sept 17, 2021 4:16:57 GMT
It was done through church records I lay no claim to it being accurate concise and precise but the general principal is of the family being here in that period Unfortunately I don't think itit standa up to scrutiny I don’t expect it too it was just done by my cousin who was at the time a catholic bishop as a hobby to see how far he could go. Once he was past the 1700’s it was sketchy and probably inaccurate but it was as just interesting to see that as a family name how far he could push the limits. |
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Post by neworleanstokie on Sept 17, 2021 13:17:18 GMT
Unfortunately I don't think itit standa up to scrutiny I don’t expect it too it was just done by my cousin who was at the time a catholic bishop as a hobby to see how far he could go. Once he was past the 1700’s it was sketchy and probably inaccurate but it was as just interesting to see that as a family name how far he could push the limits. ancestry.com is the site to use. You can leverage work others have done and quickly add names to your tree once you get familiar with how it's set up - it does take some time to learn though. Kept me busy for hours during lockdown and uncovered some interesting family stories that had been buried for more than 100 years. |
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Post by Kilo on Sept 17, 2021 15:12:12 GMT
I don’t expect it too it was just done by my cousin who was at the time a catholic bishop as a hobby to see how far he could go. Once he was past the 1700’s it was sketchy and probably inaccurate but it was as just interesting to see that as a family name how far he could push the limits. ancestry.com is the site to use. You can leverage work others have done and quickly add names to your tree once you get familiar with how it's set up - it does take some time to learn though. Kept me busy for hours during lockdown and uncovered some interesting family stories that had been buried for more than 100 years. It's a great source of information which with other subsequent details gleaned from t'internet can uncover some very interesting details from the past. The woman who originally bought the land from the Earl of Dudley which my house was built on (who funnily enough lived in Burslem when she was aged 11) was the owner of the world leading manufacturers of firebricks and gas retorts and when she died she left the equivalent of £11m to her seven children. All but one of them also left significant sums when they died after working hard in the family business which now included collieries and blast furnaces. The second son however was admitted to Brookwood Mental Asylum by his wife and the cause of his insanity was.... alcohol. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 17, 2021 16:33:00 GMT
I did the DNA ethnicity test about 5 years ago (it was bought for me as present) can't remember the exact percentages but I'm only 12% British mostly western European (which was defined as Belgium,France,Germany & Holland) with a good chunk of Irish (as I think many people in Britain are) with small percentages of Scandinavian, Iberian, Finnish, Russian & 1% native American (which was a surprise but apparently relates to all the American native peoples) edit: much of the above was a surprise was expecting some Irish & some Iberian & I think Scandinavian is to be expected for most British people We'll be putting you up in a 4* hotel next...  |
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Post by lordb on Sept 17, 2021 16:35:48 GMT
I did the DNA ethnicity test about 5 years ago (it was bought for me as present) can't remember the exact percentages but I'm only 12% British mostly western European (which was defined as Belgium,France,Germany & Holland) with a good chunk of Irish (as I think many people in Britain are) with small percentages of Scandinavian, Iberian, Finnish, Russian & 1% native American (which was a surprise but apparently relates to all the American native peoples) edit: much of the above was a surprise was expecting some Irish & some Iberian & I think Scandinavian is to be expected for most British people We'll be putting you up in a 4* hotel next... Sea facing? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 17, 2021 16:37:14 GMT
We'll be putting you up in a 4* hotel next... Sea facing? You’re lucky lordb. These days if you say you’re English you’ll be thrown in jail👀 |
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Post by lordb on Sept 17, 2021 17:26:59 GMT
You’re lucky lordb. These days if you say you’re English you’ll be thrown in jail👀 Ah but these days jails are holiday camps |
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Post by musik on Oct 18, 2021 14:26:18 GMT
This weekend my mother gave me some old letters to see, written by her sister.
It was kind of depressing how young they all were, almost everyone, when they died. Only between 28-53. And now I'm not talking 1600, 1700 or 1800, but the period 1875-1955. Just a couple were killed during the war by bombs.
Back in time people died at an early age of gluten intolerance. Many only got to be 30-40. The doctor told me rather recently you can be just as sick without knowing it, no symptoms, and die a silent death. But also, by that time they had no idea what caused it, so they kept eating bread.
The genetic burden.
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