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Post by lordb on Aug 21, 2021 7:51:43 GMT
Tymon or doughty to start? Got to be Tymon after his best performance
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Post by Billy the kid on Aug 21, 2021 8:17:07 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 21, 2021 8:28:54 GMT
Did you know Nottingham Forest won the European Cup? Honestly. They did
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Post by Gods on Aug 21, 2021 8:33:32 GMT
Oh heck :-( I can't see past a 1-1 draw.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Aug 21, 2021 8:45:17 GMT
If we play how we did against Swansea against Forest then we should win comfortably... We’ll probably lose then 😂
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Post by awrypotter on Aug 21, 2021 8:49:19 GMT
Weather looks absolutely atrocious tomorrow. Not sure who that helps out tbh. Hope not. I have only have one umbrella that my Mrs bought and has Hello Kitty on it. 😂😂😂☔
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 21, 2021 9:08:57 GMT
Got a sneaky feeling Sawyer's might start today.
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Post by franklin on Aug 21, 2021 9:20:59 GMT
2-0 today.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 21, 2021 9:26:36 GMT
How come nobody is blaming Tony Scholes for this summers signings? It's pretty obvious now that it's some of the previous managers who should have got the critcism and not him for signing all the rubbish!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 21, 2021 9:44:43 GMT
Just in case it hasn’t been mentioned. That bloody artisan market is on at Trentham Gardens again today. If I remember rightly it was traffic mayhem in that area last time it coincided with a home game so anyone who usually comes that way is probably best to avoid it.
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Post by yyy on Aug 21, 2021 9:46:34 GMT
Got a sneaky feeling Sawyer's might start today. I think he will come on in the 65/70 Mark for vrancic. Nothing like a home welcome as a sub. O Neill will be wanting Vrancic corners on Souttar's head, for that reason I think I'd start Brown with Surridge and stretch their defence to get balls into brown in the channels to win more corners
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Post by wearestoke80 on Aug 21, 2021 9:55:40 GMT
How come nobody is blaming Tony Scholes for this summers signings? It's pretty obvious now that it's some of the previous managers who should have got the critcism and not him for signing all the rubbish! There’s time yet
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Post by hotterpotter on Aug 21, 2021 10:02:56 GMT
They make it sound like Vrancic is in some kind of walking coma!
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Aug 21, 2021 10:04:03 GMT
How come nobody is blaming Tony Scholes for this summers signings? It's pretty obvious now that it's some of the previous managers who should have got the critcism and not him for signing all the rubbish! Wash your mouth out!
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Post by hotterpotter on Aug 21, 2021 10:07:57 GMT
How come nobody is blaming Tony Scholes for this summers signings? It's pretty obvious now that it's some of the previous managers who should have got the critcism and not him for signing all the rubbish! Unless MON has laid down the law with regard to who decides. I would say that this season's signings seem to be much less rushed than normal and less of the will-he-won't-he sign business.
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Post by toppercorner on Aug 21, 2021 11:04:05 GMT
------------ Bursik ------------ - Wilmot -- Souttar -- Ostigard - Smith Vrancic Allen Sawyers Tymon ---- Brown --- Surridge ----
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 21, 2021 11:07:42 GMT
How come nobody is blaming Tony Scholes for this summers signings? It's pretty obvious now that it's some of the previous managers who should have got the critcism and not him for signing all the rubbish! Good point. The manager has the final say on every transfer including those he hasn't specifically requested be signed. Rowett almost certainly asked for McClean, Ince, Afobe, Woods, etc. The only exception was possibly Etebo who was "coming" when Rowett joined. Jones was clearly out of his depth and agreeing to take anyone who was cheap, end of contract, etc. He struck lucky with Jones but persisted in using Butland. On player rosta, MON's first action was to remove those who didn't want to play for us and make them Scholes problem. His second action was to look at what younger talent was available in the club, promoted Campbell and was generally critical of the rest and set to work to improve them. MON has clearly been restricted by financial constraints and had to bring in older players as make shift till he can buy better, and unproven young players. I don't expect those older players MON brought in initially to be around for very long. Some of the unproven young players are developing like Brown, and others aren't, which is always the case. None of us were happy to see Collins leave, but it has undoubted provided cash flow to facilitate not only purchase of new players, but to write off the book value of others to release them from the books. Getting those players off the wage bill has permitted new players to come it. The other thing that has changed since the Rowett era is we are not signing many players on long term highly paid contracts, which bodes well for the future. Maybe Scholes has learnt from past mistakes?!
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Aug 21, 2021 11:08:47 GMT
Would be amazed to see Sawyers start. Clucas for me and Sawyers to come on for Mario later.
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Post by lordb on Aug 21, 2021 11:17:18 GMT
How come nobody is blaming Tony Scholes for this summers signings? It's pretty obvious now that it's some of the previous managers who should have got the critcism and not him for signing all the rubbish! Good point. The manager has the final say on every transfer including those he hasn't specifically requested be signed. Rowett almost certainly asked for McClean, Ince, Afobe, Woods, etc. The only exception was possibly Etebo who was "coming" when Rowett joined. Jones was clearly out of his depth and agreeing to take anyone who was cheap, end of contract, etc. He struck lucky with Jones but persisted in using Butland. On player rosta, MON's first action was to remove those who didn't want to play for us and make them Scholes problem. His second action was to look at what younger talent was available in the club, promoted Campbell and was generally critical of the rest and set to work to improve them. MON has clearly been restricted by financial constraints and had to bring in older players as make shift till he can buy better, and unproven young players. I don't expect those older players MON brought in initially to be around for very long. Some of the unproven young players are developing like Brown, and others aren't, which is always the case. None of us were happy to see Collins leave, but it has undoubted provided cash flow to facilitate not only purchase of new players, but to write off the book value of others to release them from the books. Getting those players off the wage bill has permitted new players to come it. The other thing that has changed since the Rowett era is we are not signing many players on long term highly paid contracts, which bodes well for the future. Maybe Scholes has learnt from past mistakes?! The long contracts were Scholes way of facilitating the bigger transfer fees - this goes on at all clubs once spending the real big money - As we haven't spent big for sometime that's why we are seeing 'normal' contract lengths When we get back up (next summer, 29 years from now whenever) it will be interesting to see if we either don't spend the big bucks or go back to five year contracts
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 21, 2021 11:42:08 GMT
Good point. The manager has the final say on every transfer including those he hasn't specifically requested be signed. Rowett almost certainly asked for McClean, Ince, Afobe, Woods, etc. The only exception was possibly Etebo who was "coming" when Rowett joined. Jones was clearly out of his depth and agreeing to take anyone who was cheap, end of contract, etc. He struck lucky with Jones but persisted in using Butland. On player rosta, MON's first action was to remove those who didn't want to play for us and make them Scholes problem. His second action was to look at what younger talent was available in the club, promoted Campbell and was generally critical of the rest and set to work to improve them. MON has clearly been restricted by financial constraints and had to bring in older players as make shift till he can buy better, and unproven young players. I don't expect those older players MON brought in initially to be around for very long. Some of the unproven young players are developing like Brown, and others aren't, which is always the case. None of us were happy to see Collins leave, but it has undoubted provided cash flow to facilitate not only purchase of new players, but to write off the book value of others to release them from the books. Getting those players off the wage bill has permitted new players to come it. The other thing that has changed since the Rowett era is we are not signing many players on long term highly paid contracts, which bodes well for the future. Maybe Scholes has learnt from past mistakes?! The long contracts were Scholes way of facilitating the bigger transfer fees - this goes on at all clubs once spending the real big money - As we haven't spent big for sometime that's why we are seeing 'normal' contract lengths When we get back up (next summer, 29 years from now whenever) it will be interesting to see if we either don't spend the big bucks or go back to five year contracts I don't know what we'd do. But I already know what we should do.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 21, 2021 11:51:15 GMT
------------ Bursik ------------ - Wilmot -- Souttar -- Ostigard - Smith Vrancic Allen Sawyers Tymon ---- Brown --- Surridge ---- Ostigard on the left of the back 3? I don't think so! If it ain't broke don't fix it!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 21, 2021 12:23:32 GMT
Can't see Sawyers starting he admitted himself he's not had a pre season and isn't match fit.
Reckon it'll be Allen, Clucas and Vrancic that start with Sawyers coming on for Vrancic after 60 mins.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Aug 21, 2021 12:25:51 GMT
Can't see Sawyers starting he admitted himself he's not had a pre season and isn't match fit. Reckon it'll be Allen, Clucas and Vrancic that start with Sawyers coming on for Vrancic after 60 mins. Thanks Gary 😉
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 21, 2021 12:27:43 GMT
Can't see Sawyers starting he admitted himself he's not had a pre season and isn't match fit. Reckon it'll be Allen, Clucas and Vrancic that start with Sawyers coming on for Vrancic after 60 mins. Thanks Gary 😉 Great minds and all that 😁
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 21, 2021 12:33:37 GMT
Good point. The manager has the final say on every transfer including those he hasn't specifically requested be signed. Rowett almost certainly asked for McClean, Ince, Afobe, Woods, etc. The only exception was possibly Etebo who was "coming" when Rowett joined. Jones was clearly out of his depth and agreeing to take anyone who was cheap, end of contract, etc. He struck lucky with Jones but persisted in using Butland. On player rosta, MON's first action was to remove those who didn't want to play for us and make them Scholes problem. His second action was to look at what younger talent was available in the club, promoted Campbell and was generally critical of the rest and set to work to improve them. MON has clearly been restricted by financial constraints and had to bring in older players as make shift till he can buy better, and unproven young players. I don't expect those older players MON brought in initially to be around for very long. Some of the unproven young players are developing like Brown, and others aren't, which is always the case. None of us were happy to see Collins leave, but it has undoubted provided cash flow to facilitate not only purchase of new players, but to write off the book value of others to release them from the books. Getting those players off the wage bill has permitted new players to come it. The other thing that has changed since the Rowett era is we are not signing many players on long term highly paid contracts, which bodes well for the future. Maybe Scholes has learnt from past mistakes?! The long contracts were Scholes way of facilitating the bigger transfer fees - this goes on at all clubs once spending the real big money - As we haven't spent big for sometime that's why we are seeing 'normal' contract lengths When we get back up (next summer, 29 years from now whenever) it will be interesting to see if we either don't spend the big bucks or go back to five year contracts I agree the longer the contract the longer the period the capital cost can be depreciated over. Understandable with young very expensive players like Berahino et al, but we continued to do it with older players, like Ince, we were never going to be able to sell. I think MON is also warey about buying foreign players who are unproven in British football, Vrancic being proven. Like Pulis I think he believes character in a player is just as important as talent.
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 21, 2021 12:35:57 GMT
Just in case it hasn’t been mentioned. That bloody artisan market is on at Trentham Gardens again today. If I remember rightly it was traffic mayhem in that area last time it coincided with a home game so anyone who usually comes that way is probably best to avoid it. I went with the Mrs it’s wank
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Post by Jimm on Aug 21, 2021 12:36:48 GMT
Bursik Wilmot -Souttar -Ostigard - Smith - Vrancic Allen - Clucas - Tymon Brown -Surridge
Sawyers on the bench
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 21, 2021 12:39:43 GMT
Wet and windy
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Post by lordb on Aug 21, 2021 12:42:31 GMT
The long contracts were Scholes way of facilitating the bigger transfer fees - this goes on at all clubs once spending the real big money - As we haven't spent big for sometime that's why we are seeing 'normal' contract lengths When we get back up (next summer, 29 years from now whenever) it will be interesting to see if we either don't spend the big bucks or go back to five year contracts I agree the longer the contract the longer the period the capital cost can be depreciated over. Understandable with young very expensive players like Berahino et al, but we continued to do it with older players, like Ince, we were never going to be able to sell. I think MON is also warey about buying foreign players who are unproven in British football, Vrancic being proven. Like Pulis I think he believes character in a player is just as important as talent. Yes Ince, Afobe also five year deals Both big money As you say there's a better logic with younger players
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Post by franklin on Aug 21, 2021 12:42:42 GMT
Just in case it hasn’t been mentioned. That bloody artisan market is on at Trentham Gardens again today. If I remember rightly it was traffic mayhem in that area last time it coincided with a home game so anyone who usually comes that way is probably best to avoid it. I went with the Mrs it’s wank On the plus side there is a craft beer festival in Nottingham this weekend.
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