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Post by chuffedstokie on Jun 23, 2021 9:09:10 GMT
Just been having a chat with my dad (he's 95 soon and Stoke mad) and conversations often drift into his memories of games and players. This name came up and he was telling me about the team of the day the story behind Soo and a few other notables of the day. Googled the name and what a character and story. I'm hopeless at links and stuff but if anyone fancies a quick read about an ex skipper and talented footballer he's worth looking up. Next time I get dad to the Brit we'll be in Q railing.
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Post by lordb on Jun 23, 2021 9:14:34 GMT
When I was a kid all the old Stoke fans insisted Soo was absolute quality
Stan, Franklin, Steele & Soo have to be in any all time Stoke XI
there's a case for Joe Johnson (flying left winger played for England, not the singer) too
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Post by cerebralstokie on Jun 23, 2021 9:48:48 GMT
Soo was the subject of a "Google Doodle" a couple of years ago. Not many people know that!!
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Post by Veritas on Jun 23, 2021 10:01:39 GMT
When I was a kid all the old Stoke fans insisted Soo was absolute quality Stan, Franklin, Steele & Soo have to be in any all time Stoke XI there's a case for Joe Johnson (flying left winger played for England, not the singer) too Wasn't Joe Johnson a snooker player and Joe Jackson the singer |
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Post by lordb on Jun 23, 2021 10:04:42 GMT
When I was a kid all the old Stoke fans insisted Soo was absolute quality Stan, Franklin, Steele & Soo have to be in any all time Stoke XI there's a case for Joe Johnson (flying left winger played for England, not the singer) too Wasn't Joe Johnson a snooker player and Joe Jackson the singer yes you are right now you've mentioned it can't see Joe Johnson steppin out |
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Post by skip on Jun 23, 2021 10:27:57 GMT
I have a Frank Soo cigarette card.
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Post by hardcastle on Jun 23, 2021 10:47:18 GMT
When I was a kid all the old Stoke fans insisted Soo was absolute quality Stan, Franklin, Steele & Soo have to be in any all time Stoke XI there's a case for Joe Johnson (flying left winger played for England, not the singer) too Didn't Steele, Matthews, Johnson and Soo once make up the England forward line (1937 ish)? |
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Post by newsteadst3 on Jun 23, 2021 10:48:56 GMT
Soo was the subject of a "Google Doodle" a couple of years ago. Not many people know that!! I remember that, not in a Stoke kit though was he?? |
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 23, 2021 10:58:01 GMT
When I was a kid all the old Stoke fans insisted Soo was absolute quality Stan, Franklin, Steele & Soo have to be in any all time Stoke XI there's a case for Joe Johnson (flying left winger played for England, not the singer) too Which brings up an interesting question………… name your all time Stoke XI consisting only of players who played for England while at Stoke. Gordon Banks, Stanley Matthews,Frankie Soo, Alan Hudson, Neil Franklin, Freddie Steele, Ryan Shawcross…….. It’s still early here! |
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Post by tpholloway1 on Jun 23, 2021 11:22:33 GMT
When I was a kid all the old Stoke fans insisted Soo was absolute quality Stan, Franklin, Steele & Soo have to be in any all time Stoke XI there's a case for Joe Johnson (flying left winger played for England, not the singer) too Which brings up an interesting question………… name your all time Stoke XI consisting only of players who played for England while at Stoke. Gordon Banks, Stanley Matthews,Frankie Soo, Alan Hudson, Neil Franklin, Freddie Steele, Ryan Shawcross…….. It’s still early here! Mike Pejic. |
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 23, 2021 11:58:26 GMT
Mark Chamberlain?
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Post by lordb on Jun 23, 2021 12:00:51 GMT
When I was a kid all the old Stoke fans insisted Soo was absolute quality Stan, Franklin, Steele & Soo have to be in any all time Stoke XI there's a case for Joe Johnson (flying left winger played for England, not the singer) too Which brings up an interesting question………… name your all time Stoke XI consisting only of players who played for England while at Stoke. Gordon Banks, Stanley Matthews,Frankie Soo, Alan Hudson, Neil Franklin, Freddie Steele, Ryan Shawcross…….. It’s still early here! interesting & challenging criteria 4411 Banks Tony Allen (at RB I know...) Franklin, Shwacross,Pejic Soo, Hudson Stan & Johnson on the wings Steele with Chamberlain in a free role be good to watch that |
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 23, 2021 12:01:51 GMT
Shilts, Butland, Watson, Tony Allen ?
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 23, 2021 12:27:00 GMT
Shilts, Butland, Watson, Tony Allen ? I would not pick Shilton or Butland ahead of Banks. |
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 23, 2021 12:29:00 GMT
Which brings up an interesting question………… name your all time Stoke XI consisting only of players who played for England while at Stoke. Gordon Banks, Stanley Matthews,Frankie Soo, Alan Hudson, Neil Franklin, Freddie Steele, Ryan Shawcross…….. It’s still early here! interesting & challenging criteria 4411 Banks Tony Allen (at RB I know...) Franklin, Shwacross,Pejic Soo, Hudson Stan & Johnson on the wings Steele with Chamberlain in a free role be good to watch that I think that team (all at their best of course) would give the current England squad a few lessons in pride, commitment and determination! |
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 23, 2021 12:32:16 GMT
Shilts, Butland, Watson, Tony Allen ? I would not pick Shilton or Butland ahead of Banks. Neither would I, just thinking of eligible players |
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Post by ohbottom on Jun 23, 2021 14:53:43 GMT
Did Dave Watson get picked for England while at Stoke, or did moving to the Potteries spell the end of his international career?
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Post by samdan on Jun 23, 2021 15:23:39 GMT
Did Dave Watson get picked for England while at Stoke, or did moving to the Potteries spell the end of his international career? He was playing for Stoke when playing for England. Last game for England was June 82 and had signed for us in the 81/82 season. He featured on the England World Cup 82 song video sharing a microphone with Kevin Keegan but wasn’t picked for the squad in the end. |
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Post by davethebass on Jun 23, 2021 15:48:35 GMT
When I was a kid all the old Stoke fans insisted Soo was absolute quality Stan, Franklin, Steele & Soo have to be in any all time Stoke XI there's a case for Joe Johnson (flying left winger played for England, not the singer) too Which brings up an interesting question………… name your all time Stoke XI consisting only of players who played for England while at Stoke. Gordon Banks, Stanley Matthews,Frankie Soo, Alan Hudson, Neil Franklin, Freddie Steele, Ryan Shawcross…….. It’s still early here! I wonder if we'd have enough for Wales, Ireland and Scotland teams as well |
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 23, 2021 15:52:45 GMT
Which brings up an interesting question………… name your all time Stoke XI consisting only of players who played for England while at Stoke. Gordon Banks, Stanley Matthews,Frankie Soo, Alan Hudson, Neil Franklin, Freddie Steele, Ryan Shawcross…….. It’s still early here! I wonder if we'd have enough for Wales, Ireland and Scotland teams as well And a foreign internationals team also. First name on the team sheet for me would be Ricardo Fuller! Probably have enough for an Iceland team as well, but I wouldn't swap our current team for them!  |
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Post by AlliG on Jun 23, 2021 16:21:46 GMT
When I was a kid all the old Stoke fans insisted Soo was absolute quality Stan, Franklin, Steele & Soo have to be in any all time Stoke XI there's a case for Joe Johnson (flying left winger played for England, not the singer) too Didn't Steele, Matthews, Johnson and Soo once make up the England forward line (1937 ish)? Matthews, Steele and Johnson did in 1937 v Scotland at Hampden. I remember being a bit envious of my Dad as he started watching Stoke in 1936 and they were part of the first team he could remember. |
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Post by lordb on Jun 23, 2021 16:50:38 GMT
Which brings up an interesting question………… name your all time Stoke XI consisting only of players who played for England while at Stoke. Gordon Banks, Stanley Matthews,Frankie Soo, Alan Hudson, Neil Franklin, Freddie Steele, Ryan Shawcross…….. It’s still early here! I wonder if we'd have enough for Wales, Ireland and Scotland teams as well And Iceland |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 23, 2021 16:52:43 GMT
Just been having a chat with my dad (he's 95 soon and Stoke mad) and conversations often drift into his memories of games and players. This name came up and he was telling me about the team of the day the story behind Soo and a few other notables of the day. Googled the name and what a character and story. I'm hopeless at links and stuff but if anyone fancies a quick read about an ex skipper and talented footballer he's worth looking up. Next time I get dad to the Brit we'll be in Q railing. My grandad always used to bang on about Frankie Soo. He must have been some player cus my grandad never rated anyone |
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Post by baystokie on Jun 23, 2021 16:57:35 GMT
When I was a kid all the old Stoke fans insisted Soo was absolute quality Stan, Franklin, Steele & Soo have to be in any all time Stoke XI there's a case for Joe Johnson (flying left winger played for England, not the singer) too Which brings up an interesting question………… name your all time Stoke XI consisting only of players who played for England while at Stoke. Gordon Banks, Stanley Matthews,Frankie Soo, Alan Hudson, Neil Franklin, Freddie Steele, Ryan Shawcross…….. It’s still early here! Just as well your selection was not based on 'capped' for England while playing for Stoke - all Frankie Soo's games were during WW2 and did not 'qualify' for caps. One theory for this was that selection for England was limited to those players 'available' rather than on any 'merit' consideration. I could be wrong but remember reading that selection for one of the Home countries during wartime did NOT prevent that player turning out for a different Home country after the war ended. If I remember correctly, Stan Mortensen was 'selected' for and actually turned out for Wales during wartime and later, of course, played for England! |
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Post by lordb on Jun 23, 2021 17:00:18 GMT
Which brings up an interesting question………… name your all time Stoke XI consisting only of players who played for England while at Stoke. Gordon Banks, Stanley Matthews,Frankie Soo, Alan Hudson, Neil Franklin, Freddie Steele, Ryan Shawcross…….. It’s still early here! Just as well your selection was not based on 'capped' for England while playing for Stoke - all Frankie Soo's games were during WW2 and did not 'qualify' for caps. One theory for this was that selection for England was limited to those players 'available' rather than on any 'merit' consideration. I could be wrong but remember reading that selection for one of the Home countries during wartime did NOT prevent that player turning out for a different Home country after the war ended. If I remember correctly, Stan Mortensen was 'selected' for and actually turned out for Wales during wartime and later, of course, played for England! Spanner in the works there but technically correct Soo got wartime caps Any other Stoke midfielders capped for England whilst at Stoke? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 17:09:11 GMT
Just as well your selection was not based on 'capped' for England while playing for Stoke - all Frankie Soo's games were during WW2 and did not 'qualify' for caps. One theory for this was that selection for England was limited to those players 'available' rather than on any 'merit' consideration. I could be wrong but remember reading that selection for one of the Home countries during wartime did NOT prevent that player turning out for a different Home country after the war ended. If I remember correctly, Stan Mortensen was 'selected' for and actually turned out for Wales during wartime and later, of course, played for England! Spanner in the works there but technically correct Soo got wartime caps Any other Stoke midfielders capped for England whilst at Stoke? Chamberlain before his injury was excellent. scored on his England debut. I guess the last Stoke player to score for England. |
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Post by elystokie on Jun 23, 2021 23:10:43 GMT
Just as well your selection was not based on 'capped' for England while playing for Stoke - all Frankie Soo's games were during WW2 and did not 'qualify' for caps. One theory for this was that selection for England was limited to those players 'available' rather than on any 'merit' consideration. I could be wrong but remember reading that selection for one of the Home countries during wartime did NOT prevent that player turning out for a different Home country after the war ended. If I remember correctly, Stan Mortensen was 'selected' for and actually turned out for Wales during wartime and later, of course, played for England! Spanner in the works there but technically correct Soo got wartime caps Any other Stoke midfielders capped for England whilst at Stoke? Mick Bernard played for the U-23s while he was at Stoke, never made the full squad tho. |
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Post by kingdong on Jun 23, 2021 23:53:05 GMT
When I was a kid all the old Stoke fans insisted Soo was absolute quality Stan, Franklin, Steele & Soo have to be in any all time Stoke XI there's a case for Joe Johnson (flying left winger played for England, not the singer) too Didn't Steele, Matthews, Johnson and Soo once make up the England forward line (1937 ish)? I know that Steele, Matthews and Johnson played in the same England team in 1937. In fact England played 7 internationals in 1937 and between the 3 of them they scored 14 goals which is pretty impressive! |
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jun 24, 2021 1:48:10 GMT
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 24, 2021 7:49:10 GMT
Shilts, Butland, Watson, Tony Allen ? I would not pick Shilton or Butland ahead of Banks. Agreed and Shilton's form WHEN HE PLAYED FOR US means he would be lucky to make the bench. Considering we paid a world record for a keeper we really didn't get our money's worth from him. I dunno what the problem was but he was far better once he left us. Anyone who puts Butland ahead of Gordon Banks needs to wonder if they are following the right sport - tiddly winks might be a better option. |
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