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Post by peterthornesboots on May 8, 2021 21:52:44 GMT
6
Positives - A relatively steady league campaign (considering the Covid factor and the injuries we have had to deal with) - A decent run in the League Cup - A solid defensive foundation built - Getting the best out of Nick Powell - Lots of young players starting to break through
Negatives - Prior to Christmas, it looked like we might have a genuine shot at the play-offs. Our drop off in form his a massive concern. - The squad is still a mess. Nearly 40 professionals on the books - a load of which either don't want to be here or aren't good enough. - FFP is going to kill us next season. - The quality of football since Christmas hasn't been the most inspiring.
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Post by peterthornesboots on May 8, 2021 21:54:55 GMT
5 would be average so 6.5 for me. If we analogise this season to a night playing poker then he's done well to come away with almost the same money he went in with considering some of the shit hands he's been dealt. OS. This probably summarises everything but in a much more concise way than I put it! 😂
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Post by greystokie on May 8, 2021 22:01:05 GMT
5.
It's been a hard watch for most of the season. Poor and timid tactics and ineffective use of subs, no plan B and the continuous use of out of form players and Sam Vokes in particular means he doesn't deserve any more.
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Post by potterburt on May 8, 2021 22:08:53 GMT
5 for me (and I’ve possibly been his most vocal supporter on here)
On the basis of the instant negativity some on here spout out from the off and at any given moment - they would have him as a 1 (But then again these bunch would make a negative outlook after being alone on an empty bus, Megan Markle getting on and instead of opting for an empty seat chooses to sit on their lap) - more of a comment on the state of some of our posters rather than MoN or Markle.
If we didn’t have that dip mid season and we just missed the play offs it would be a 6
If we made the play offs and failed it would have been a 7
Promoted from the play offs it’s a 8
Auto promotion it’s would have been a 9
Auto promotion - while bringing through a whole swathe of u23 players with zero money to spend and being untouchable it would be a 10.
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Post by Fred Ferret on May 8, 2021 22:21:57 GMT
6 overall
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Post by musik on May 8, 2021 22:39:36 GMT
4
playing five at the back makes Pulis look like Mr Risky.
No passion the last 3 months and has given disappointment a face. Those things infect the players.
In general to late substitutions in games. Blaming the late subs for not changing the game vs Millwall was one of the lowest comments I've ever heard for a manager. Maybe he meant that guy who came on in the 89th minute in particular.🤪
I had higher hopes and think we might lose a couple of our best players in the months to come. It depends on the loan market, but it's hard to see us promotion material 2021/22. If it keeps going down, a new Manager may come in February/March 2022 to just about let us avoid relegation.
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Post by Sfance on May 9, 2021 0:33:27 GMT
3 - was dealt a tough hand and has proven he doesn’t know how to play it. No evidence it’ll be any different next season. 7/10 for being much better at coming up with excuses though.
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Post by seychellesstokie on May 9, 2021 2:14:45 GMT
2/10. Failed miserably to build on previous season. Uninspiring signings. Timid tactics. Boring, boring football.
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Post by christhepotter on May 9, 2021 6:34:02 GMT
Ridiculous, its all about opinions but 2 would be relegation surely!!! No , I think he’s a boring negative manager , a better manager would have done well with the squad we have , my opinion yes and I think I will be proved right when he dishes out the same boring shit next year
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Post by potterburt on May 9, 2021 7:36:17 GMT
Ridiculous, its all about opinions but 2 would be relegation surely!!! No , I think he’s a boring negative manager , a better manager would have done well with the squad we have , my opinion yes and I think I will be proved right when he dishes out the same boring shit next year Not one manager has been able to get a tune out of any squad for the past 5 years! Not even an ear piercing 8 year old on a recorder type of tune. He has though brought through a whole swathe of a team of youngsters and is evidently willing to invest in them further which no manager has tried or been able to do at Stoke since....?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 9, 2021 7:41:38 GMT
Ridiculous, its all about opinions but 2 would be relegation surely!!! No , I think he’s a boring negative manager , a better manager would have done well with the squad we have , my opinion yes and I think I will be proved right when he dishes out the same boring shit next year I’m not sure about the better manager doing better with the squad. I just think he’s a manager that will continue to produce boring football. For me a better manager might end up in a very similar position playing a more attacking, entertaining brand of football. Far too many of our fans too readily accept shit football in the hope it is successful shit football. I just can’t see any evidence barring a freak season circa 2008 to justify their belief that it’s a blueprint for success.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 9, 2021 7:42:55 GMT
No , I think he’s a boring negative manager , a better manager would have done well with the squad we have , my opinion yes and I think I will be proved right when he dishes out the same boring shit next year Not one manager has been able to get a tune out of any squad for the past 5 years! Not even an ear piercing 8 year old on a recorder type of tune. He has though brought through a whole swathe of a team of youngsters and is evidently willing to invest in them further which no manager has tried or been able to do at Stoke since....? True that’s the only positive I can find in his management.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 8:36:50 GMT
Got to be 5/10 hasn't it.
17 points of play offs.
17 points of relegation.
W 15 D 15 L 16.
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Post by march4 on May 9, 2021 9:24:46 GMT
When will MON’s departure be announced? Should be right up your street Marchy Boring football check Low scoring check Lots of clean sheets check Must be the lack of cap wearing that has not won your approval. Nor the promotion, establishing ourselves in the Prem, reaching three successive FA Cup Quarter Finals for the only time in our history, reaching our only FA Cup Final in 150 years and rampaging across Europe. Dull, unsuccessful football is just unsuccessful football. Dull, successful football is just successful and it is the success that renders it not dull.
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Post by march4 on May 9, 2021 9:26:28 GMT
No , I think he’s a boring negative manager , a better manager would have done well with the squad we have , my opinion yes and I think I will be proved right when he dishes out the same boring shit next year Not one manager has been able to get a tune out of any squad for the past 5 years! Not even an ear piercing 8 year old on a recorder type of tune. He has though brought through a whole swathe of a team of youngsters and is evidently willing to invest in them further which no manager has tried or been able to do at Stoke since....? But they have all been experimental managerial appointments that were unlikely to work from Day1. A leader, experienced at this level, would have got far more out of our players.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 9, 2021 9:34:06 GMT
Should be right up your street Marchy Boring football check Low scoring check Lots of clean sheets check Must be the lack of cap wearing that has not won your approval. Nor the promotion, establishing ourselves in the Prem, reaching three successive FA Cup Quarter Finals for the only time in our history, reaching our only FA Cup Final in 150 years and rampaging across Europe. Dull, unsuccessful football is just unsuccessful football. Dull, successful football is just successful and it is the success that renders it not dull. Sorry not for me. An awful game is an awful game no matter the outcome. Promotion season we were awful after Southampton and Scunthorpe 3-2 home wins in a week. Cup final season we were awful for months before the WHU tie. Europa season we fucking awful all season mainly due to his unnecessary purchase of Crouch. Low scorers, whole games without a shot on target, dearth of goals from open play. Take off your rose tinted specs.
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Post by potterburt on May 9, 2021 11:16:46 GMT
Not one manager has been able to get a tune out of any squad for the past 5 years! Not even an ear piercing 8 year old on a recorder type of tune. He has though brought through a whole swathe of a team of youngsters and is evidently willing to invest in them further which no manager has tried or been able to do at Stoke since....? But they have all been experimental managerial appointments that were unlikely to work from Day1. A leader, experienced at this level, would have got far more out of our players. They haven’t been ‘experimental appointments’ in the slightest. You serious think the board meeting before appointing went to the tune of ‘so anyone else fancy getting a bit experimental?’ All of those managers have had experience at this level aside from MoN - whose main experience has come from a small selection pool of players from a tiny country with hardly any decent players and got a damn fine tune out of them where they excelled past expectations.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 9, 2021 12:03:25 GMT
But they have all been experimental managerial appointments that were unlikely to work from Day1. A leader, experienced at this level, would have got far more out of our players. They haven’t been ‘experimental appointments’ in the slightest. You serious think the board meeting before appointing went to the tune of ‘so anyone else fancy getting a bit experimental?’ All of those managers have had experience at this level aside from MoN - whose main experience has come from a small selection pool of players from a tiny country with hardly any decent players and got a damn fine tune out of them where they excelled past expectations. They only excelled past expectations because the expectations were so low. I clearly remember the euros they qualified for watching the majority of games but theres were ones I’d always end up turning off because they were so shit and just spoiling. From what we’re seeing here that’s his footballing philosophy.
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Post by meirman61 on May 9, 2021 19:37:20 GMT
5/10 Last season in the 31 games he took charge we gained 48 points this season's last 31 games 35 points so we've gone downbank.
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Post by Fred Merger on May 9, 2021 19:51:14 GMT
Upto Christmas it would have been an 8. Since Christmas it would be a 5. So overall it's around 6.5 over a Season. Some strong performances early on and some shocking ones towards the end. At least we beat Derby😎.
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Post by scfcwebby on May 9, 2021 19:53:59 GMT
Leaving my thoughts on whether he should still be our manager to one side and judging it as fairly as I can
Pre christmas - 8 Post Christmas - 0 Average for the whole season - 4
because the second half of the season is more recent that seems a little generous to me but I'm trying to be fair over the whole season.
Started well and let's not forget that we were top of the league for about 15 minutes at one point, the football at times wasn't great but it seemed to be effective and we were looking like a team that was scoring goals, and genuine contenders.
Post-christmas it has genuinely been some of the worst football that I have watched in the last 10 years. Team selection, in game management, substitutes, Tactics, have all been absolutely atrocious.
The fact of the matter is he will be our manager next season, and he will have my support until he loses that, but I feel if they are keeping him then the board need to put real pressure on him and let him know that it needs to start well
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Post by scfcwebby on May 9, 2021 19:57:39 GMT
No , I think he’s a boring negative manager , a better manager would have done well with the squad we have , my opinion yes and I think I will be proved right when he dishes out the same boring shit next year Not one manager has been able to get a tune out of any squad for the past 5 years! Not even an ear piercing 8 year old on a recorder type of tune. He has though brought through a whole swathe of a team of youngsters and is evidently willing to invest in them further which no manager has tried or been able to do at Stoke since....? the most frustrating thing is that he did get a tune out of this quad and then like a flick of a light switch changed completely and utterly bottled it. I also can't go along with the idea that he's use all these youngsters, the fact is he has brought in youngsters to use and ignored the ones that we have that are evidently good enough, or should I say better than the options that he keeps going to
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 9, 2021 20:07:37 GMT
No , I think he’s a boring negative manager , a better manager would have done well with the squad we have , my opinion yes and I think I will be proved right when he dishes out the same boring shit next year Not one manager has been able to get a tune out of any squad for the past 5 years! Not even an ear piercing 8 year old on a recorder type of tune. He has though brought through a whole swathe of a team of youngsters and is evidently willing to invest in them further which no manager has tried or been able to do at Stoke since....? This isn't meant as a dig or whatever re MON or to bring your point down, but I'm pretty sure any manager we appointed would have given Collins and Souttar games, one of them was playing too well out on loan to be ignored, people seem to be suggesting that he plucked them out of the youth squad from no where.
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Post by wakeypotter on May 9, 2021 21:22:53 GMT
5. I get that we have had a few injuries but mon was so negative in a lot of games that cost us. Needs to be more positive next season or he can go. Been one of the most boring seasons I can remember
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 10, 2021 7:32:57 GMT
5 - some mitigation given injuries and the steep decline of a number of players who played their part last year. Good to see him blood the younger players and even though it's been dull at times, it's nice to see some organisation and defensive nous after years of ant-hearted collapses.
But his signings haven't improved us (I get that his hands are tied to a degree), his game management has consistently been iffy and our tendency to fade in the second half of games is worrying. He's a cautious coach but I would hope that when he has more attacking options at his disposal it won't be quite so eye-bleedingly tedious.
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Post by thestatusquo on May 10, 2021 8:00:23 GMT
An uninspiring 5
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on May 10, 2021 21:39:02 GMT
My heart says 6, but my head says 7.4 (not quite 7.5).
I still get the feeling there's a 3-4 year old malaise in the club he's fighting against. Our player of the season and top scorer from last season have barely been fit, plus all the other injuries to key players. He had COVID pre-season, which can't have helped preparations.
Doughty, Matondo and Clarke were positive signings and hopefully promising of the direction we're headed in.
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Post by NassauDave on May 10, 2021 21:41:07 GMT
3 dull, predictable, and no plan B.
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