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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 8, 2021 15:57:31 GMT
Cheers Moony. Predictive text eh😏 There is a player in there for sure, he doesn’t seem to want it enough though to be a success here. Given our fortunes since he joined it is hardly surprising. I doubt there will be many takers for him though given his attitude. We’d already been relegated to the Champ when he joined and he hasn’t displayed any poor attitude on the pitch.
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Post by bolders on May 8, 2021 16:04:10 GMT
Its his agent that is the problem, same one as Ndiaye. Plus he really hasnt done much when he is on the pitch
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Post by yyy on May 8, 2021 16:07:27 GMT
How long will it be until Galatasary or Besiktas are interested in taking Etebo on a season long loan again. We know the script by now with the turks and they know us only too well, no point buying from Scfc when you can get a risk free loan deal
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Post by Pugsley on May 8, 2021 16:24:35 GMT
He’s far too good for us and he knows it, hence he needs to fuck off pronto Is he? He needs to fuck off because he's another waster.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 8, 2021 16:26:13 GMT
He’s far too good for us and he knows it, hence he needs to fuck off pronto Is he? He needs to fuck off because he's another waster. Moon corrected for me further up and I’m happy with that.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 16:46:19 GMT
Has it? Anything but. World Cup and decent performances in a poor side for us did it for me. He doesn't have to go to go to the press to announce his intentions. Doesn't mean not willing to knuckle down Clearly he has some talent, but people look at his performances with rose tinted glasse to me. When he was playing he contributed no more than 2 or 3 goals and around the same number of assists. That is not going to change us markedly- with him we finished 15th, without him we have finished 14th? Is he going to commit to Stoke or is he going to be the poor influence that O’Neil made reference to when getting him out on loan? If it’s (a) then by all means try and get him into the team, but if it’s (b), well it just causes more issues. You are right in that none of us know exactly what has been said previously, so I base my view on Etebo’s approach on what O’Neil has said, and I don’t expect a “Saul on the road to Damascus” moment with Etebo- if there is such a moment he is clearly worth his place in the team. Don't agree. Clearly a good player but no one suffering with Verlinden syndrome with him. We know what he can do and no one claiming he's the answer, just a player who is better than what we have.
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Post by mcw on May 8, 2021 16:49:09 GMT
Shame really, could be a decent player for us but one of the many who downed tools once it became clear that a sudden return to the premier league was not happening. To summarize players like him/N'Diaye only came on the basis it may be a stepping stone to something bigger. Having been tarnished with the brush of not good enough as they ended up in a struggling/mid table champ team, they are then consigned to living off their name to piss around in second rate top sides in Turkey. Ultimately when they look back on their careers they will probably think signing for us was the worst move they ever made.
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Post by adamsson on May 8, 2021 17:11:47 GMT
He's a good player but not sure if he will be allowed or want to play
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Post by redstriper on May 8, 2021 17:47:26 GMT
all about opinions, i thought he was head and shoulders our best player on several occasions and a proper attacking threat... I'd love to see him committed again as he is far more exciting and positive in his play than most of our other options.
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Post by thehoof on May 8, 2021 17:48:06 GMT
Clearly he has some talent, but people look at his performances with rose tinted glasse to me. When he was playing he contributed no more than 2 or 3 goals and around the same number of assists. That is not going to change us markedly- with him we finished 15th, without him we have finished 14th? Is he going to commit to Stoke or is he going to be the poor influence that O’Neil made reference to when getting him out on loan? If it’s (a) then by all means try and get him into the team, but if it’s (b), well it just causes more issues. You are right in that none of us know exactly what has been said previously, so I base my view on Etebo’s approach on what O’Neil has said, and I don’t expect a “Saul on the road to Damascus” moment with Etebo- if there is such a moment he is clearly worth his place in the team. Don't agree. Clearly a good player but no one suffering with Verlinden syndrome with him. We know what he can do and no one claiming he's the answer, just a player who is better than what we have. I don’t disagree with you regarding his ability compared to what we have. I’m just not expecting him to be committed to the Stoke City cause- you may well be right and perhaps he will give it his full attention; that would be a win:win.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 8, 2021 17:53:26 GMT
Shame really, could be a decent player for us but one of the many who downed tools once it became clear that a sudden return to the premier league was not happening. To summarize players like him/N'Diaye only came on the basis it may be a stepping stone to something bigger. Having been tarnished with the brush of not good enough as they ended up in a struggling/mid table champ team, they are then consigned to living off their name to piss around in second rate top sides in Turkey. Ultimately when they look back on their careers they will probably think signing for us was the worst move they ever made. That simply didn’t happen. He’d been one of our best players, went on international duty came back carrying an injury and never featured again after a chat with MON where he according to MON said he saw his future elsewhere.
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Post by lordb on May 8, 2021 17:59:07 GMT
Its his agent that is the problem, same one as Ndiaye. Plus he really hasnt done much when he is on the pitch That's a good point Should either of them change agent them just maybe their attitudes will change
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 8, 2021 18:05:19 GMT
Its his agent that is the problem, same one as Ndiaye. Plus he really hasnt done much when he is on the pitch That's a good point Should either of them change agent them just maybe their attitudes will change But apart from Rowett’s first game where he got hooked at half-time Badou’s attitude and commitment on the pitch have been first rate too. It’s utter bollox to suggest these two players have been bombed out for anything to do with their performances on the pitch.
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Post by Squeekster on May 8, 2021 18:13:12 GMT
It's about time we told these players, your back here now get used to it and get on with it, if not we'll terminate your contact and you can go, and in this case we only paid £2million for him and although there isn't many thing I wouldn't do for that in football it's not a big loss at all. He's not the worse player to have back though and get back into the team. Where have you been the last couple of years? We can't terminate contracts anymore. They can by mutual agreement!
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Post by SamB_SCFC on May 8, 2021 18:13:46 GMT
Etebo is one of those players who looked tidy and talented often when he played, but never really contributed anything of note. I seem to remember he either never provided an assist or if he did it was only 1 or 2. And I don't think he scored either. Flattered to deceive a bit. Clearly, if he came back and said he wanted to play for us and was prepared to put in 100% then I'd be delighted because he's a clear upgrade on what we have now. However there was clearly a reason he was bombed out straight away, I'm sure O'Neill was said he was one of the first players to knock on the door saying he wanted to leave when he started the job and consequently froze him out immediately. I'd be surprised if his attitude has changed if that's true. And to be honest, I don't think he's as good as he and many of the fans think he is.
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Post by kustokie on May 8, 2021 18:20:07 GMT
I've totally lost faith in Afobe, but Etebo is a damn good player in my opinion! I'd love to see us start next season like this! ..................Bursik................... Bauer....Collins.........Souttar......Fox ..................Mikel................... .........Powell...........Etebo............. Campbell.......New striker.........Doughty Subs: Davies, Batth, Forrester, Coates, Tymon, New midfielder, Thompson, Norton, Fletcher, Brown. (Would get rid of Brown and Tymon too, but won't happen anyway.) Sold; Wimmer, Allen, Clucas, Vokes, McClean, Smith, Badou, Ince, Woods, Gregory, Lindsay, Afobe, Sørensen and Edwards + Chester and Gunn released! All this won't happen though! “I’ll have what what you’re having”.
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Post by kustokie on May 8, 2021 18:22:39 GMT
Where have you been the last couple of years? We can't terminate contracts anymore. They can by mutual agreement! But that’s the point. The players will never agree to a cut in pay and we can’t afford to buy out their contracts.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 8, 2021 18:25:37 GMT
Etebo is one of those players who looked tidy and talented often when he played, but never really contributed anything of note. I seem to remember he either never provided an assist or if he did it was only 1 or 2. And I don't think he scored either. Flattered to deceive a bit. Clearly, if he came back and said he wanted to play for us and was prepared to put in 100% then I'd be delighted because he's a clear upgrade on what we have now. However there was clearly a reason he was bombed out straight away, I'm sure O'Neill was said he was one of the first players to knock on the door saying he wanted to leave when he started the job and consequently froze him out immediately. I'd be surprised if his attitude has changed if that's true. And to be honest, I don't think he's as good as he and many of the fans think he is. If you watched him his main attributes were legs and physicality. I’d agree his output on the ball was nothing to write home about however the attributes he has we are sadly lacking.
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Post by Squeekster on May 8, 2021 18:26:09 GMT
They can by mutual agreement! But that’s the point. The players will never agree to a cut in pay and we can’t afford to buy out their contracts. If they clearly don't want to play for us then it's an option for them.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 8, 2021 18:29:49 GMT
Etebo is one of those players who looked tidy and talented often when he played, but never really contributed anything of note. I seem to remember he either never provided an assist or if he did it was only 1 or 2. And I don't think he scored either. Flattered to deceive a bit. Clearly, if he came back and said he wanted to play for us and was prepared to put in 100% then I'd be delighted because he's a clear upgrade on what we have now. However there was clearly a reason he was bombed out straight away, I'm sure O'Neill was said he was one of the first players to knock on the door saying he wanted to leave when he started the job and consequently froze him out immediately. I'd be surprised if his attitude has changed if that's true. And to be honest, I don't think he's as good as he and many of the fans think he is. Not sure someone saying they want to leave is any reason to freeze them out. It’s called cutting off your nose to spite your face. I mean he plays players week in week out many of us wish wanted to leave.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 8, 2021 18:32:54 GMT
I've totally lost faith in Afobe, but Etebo is a damn good player in my opinion! I'd love to see us start next season like this! ..................Bursik................... Bauer....Collins.........Souttar......Fox ..................Mikel................... .........Powell...........Etebo............. Campbell.......New striker.........Doughty Subs: Davies, Batth, Forrester, Coates, Tymon, New midfielder, Thompson, Norton, Fletcher, Brown. (Would get rid of Brown and Tymon too, but won't happen anyway.) Sold; Wimmer, Allen, Clucas, Vokes, McClean, Smith, Badou, Ince, Woods, Gregory, Lindsay, Afobe, Sørensen and Edwards + Chester and Gunn released! All this won't happen though! “I’ll have what what you’re having”. It's just called hope, mate!
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Post by bolders on May 8, 2021 18:50:37 GMT
Its his agent that is the problem, same one as Ndiaye. Plus he really hasnt done much when he is on the pitch That's a good point Should either of them change agent them just maybe their attitudes will change I think Etebos would but not Badou he knew what would happen and it was totally calculated.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 20:01:26 GMT
Because he's not interested in the slightest of playing football for us. I'm not sure what part of this you're not getting? So has he refused to play ? as you can’t provide any examples of when he’s played and given less than his all. You’re actually just making this crap up aren’t you. Truth is he was bombed out as a result of a conversation with the manager where he indicated he wanted a move. Unless they play for an elite club all players should want a move. How do you know exactly why he was bombed out of the squad? That's right, you don't and infact it's you who is making "crap up". I have never stated that "when he played he didn't give his all", that's you yet again making crap up. Peter Etebo is a massive shithouse who doesn't want to honour his contract by playing football for the team he signed a lucrative contract with. He thinks he is miles better than what he is, just like that other shithouse Badou, and there is a reason why they are/were slumming it in the Turkish leagues. Those are my last words on the subject.
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Post by kustokie on May 8, 2021 23:04:06 GMT
But that’s the point. The players will never agree to a cut in pay and we can’t afford to buy out their contracts. If they clearly don't want to play for us then it's an option for them. It’s certainly an option but not one they are likely to choose because it will mean a big drop in wages. Also, the transfer market is terrible right now because there’s less money in the game because of the negative economic impact of the global pandemic. So they are going to sit put until their contracts expire.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on May 8, 2021 23:20:01 GMT
“I’ll have what what you’re having”. It's just called hope, mate! Is that a bitter or a lager??? 🤔
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Post by dirtclod on May 9, 2021 0:31:19 GMT
So has he refused to play ? as you can’t provide any examples of when he’s played and given less than his all. You’re actually just making this crap up aren’t you. Truth is he was bombed out as a result of a conversation with the manager where he indicated he wanted a move. Unless they play for an elite club all players should want a move. How do you know exactly why he was bombed out of the squad? That's right, you don't and infact it's you who is making "crap up". I have never stated that "when he played he didn't give his all", that's you yet again making crap up. Peter Etebo is a massive shithouse who doesn't want to honour his contract by playing football for the team he signed a lucrative contract with. He thinks he is miles better than what he is, just like that other shithouse Badou, and there is a reason why they are/were slumming it in the Turkish leagues. Those are my last words on the subject. Spot on Vincent. I've had trouble not exploding when the subject of these two come up. We sling money at them so they can play elsewhere. Doesn't matter what they did or are doing now, because they aren't doing it here. While we pay the bill. At a time when we're saddled by FFP. Padding stats in Turkey in order to fool the next team that comes along. Whether it's them or their agents, doesn't matter - it's horsesh*t. We were stupid to sign them, but that's hindsight. Say what you want about MON but if he's refusing to put up with them picking and choosing who they want to play for then he just went one up in my book.
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Post by tomcmod on May 9, 2021 2:49:50 GMT
Etebo is one of those players who looked tidy and talented often when he played, but never really contributed anything of note. I seem to remember he either never provided an assist or if he did it was only 1 or 2. And I don't think he scored either. Flattered to deceive a bit. Clearly, if he came back and said he wanted to play for us and was prepared to put in 100% then I'd be delighted because he's a clear upgrade on what we have now. However there was clearly a reason he was bombed out straight away, I'm sure O'Neill was said he was one of the first players to knock on the door saying he wanted to leave when he started the job and consequently froze him out immediately. I'd be surprised if his attitude has changed if that's true. And to be honest, I don't think he's as good as he and many of the fans think he is. Didn't he score a screamer away at Sheffield Wednesday? Bruce was in charge of them at the time and spent most of his interview talking about what a great player he was.
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Post by lordb on May 9, 2021 6:06:50 GMT
That's a good point Should either of them change agent them just maybe their attitudes will change But apart from Rowett’s first game where he got hooked at half-time Badou’s attitude and commitment on the pitch have been first rate too. It’s utter bollox to suggest these two players have been bombed out for anything to do with their performances on the pitch. They have been bombed out because day one they knocked on the managers door and asked to leave
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 9, 2021 6:27:53 GMT
But apart from Rowett’s first game where he got hooked at half-time Badou’s attitude and commitment on the pitch have been first rate too. It’s utter bollox to suggest these two players have been bombed out for anything to do with their performances on the pitch. They have been bombed out because day one they knocked on the managers door and asked to leave So why do they need to be bombed out? All the response needed to be was ok if a suitable offer comes in for you we will accommodate your wishes. In the meantime as long as they play to their potential use them. Very few players are loyal the manager needs to get over it. No problem with them leaving but it would have to be for a fair price or a loan that covers all their wages and a loan fee that covers a year’s amortisation.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 9, 2021 6:32:23 GMT
It's just called hope, mate! Is that a bitter or a lager??? 🤔 Hop(efull)y an IPA!
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