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Post by theonlooker on Jul 9, 2021 15:35:56 GMT
Option to buy is a bit dubious when he'll basically be worthless with 1 year left on his deal. It could work out well. If he plays well on loan then he's in the shop window with a year left.
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Post by shakermaker on Jul 9, 2021 15:43:57 GMT
Option to buy is a bit dubious when he'll basically be worthless with 1 year left on his deal. Horrible cunt. I would wish him nothing but the worst, but he needs to do well so we can be shot of him for a modest fee!
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jul 9, 2021 15:44:04 GMT
Shut the door on your way out Peter...... Also, anyone know where the air-freshener is?
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Post by yyy on Jul 9, 2021 17:02:57 GMT
Its poor when you can't even sell a player to a Premiership club that are basically shitting money.
A loan deal? Just say no so they cough up a fee, ffs
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Post by lordb on Jul 9, 2021 17:14:42 GMT
Its poor when you can't even sell a player to a Premiership club that are basically shitting money. A loan deal? Just say no so they cough up a fee, ffs Yeah let's keep him...
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Post by yyy on Jul 9, 2021 17:19:41 GMT
Its poor when you can't even sell a player to a Premiership club that are basically shitting money. A loan deal? Just say no so they cough up a fee, ffs Yeah let's keep him... Just Like other clubs do until an offer comes in, let him play for a move or rot. Clubs know we're an easy touch, prem clubs taking our players on loan is evidence of it.. Players coming to stoke know fine well if they don't fancy it they can easily get a loan move elsewhere than play themselves to another club and we wonder why our players don't try
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Post by lordb on Jul 9, 2021 17:28:18 GMT
Just Like other clubs do until an offer comes in, let him play for a move or rot. Clubs know we're an easy touch, prem clubs taking our players on loan is evidence of it.. Players coming stoke know fine well if they don't fancy it they can easily get a loan move elsewhere than play themselves to another club and we wonder why our players don't try It's bonkers enough that Watford want him, willing to pay wages and a loan fee If we could actually get a fee for him I think the fraud squad would end up getting involved As was posted above not unlikely that this partly explains the very low fee we had to pay for Wilmot.
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Post by baystokie on Jul 9, 2021 17:42:05 GMT
Its poor when you can't even sell a player to a Premiership club that are basically shitting money. A loan deal? Just say no so they cough up a fee, ffs 'Say no so they cough up a fee' - as easy as that eh! Suppose we told Watford that and they replied that a loan deal is the only deal they will consider at the moment. - you are stuck with Etebo and may well be if ALL offers that we receive are for loans. What's your next move?
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Post by yyy on Jul 9, 2021 17:52:50 GMT
Its poor when you can't even sell a player to a Premiership club that are basically shitting money. A loan deal? Just say no so they cough up a fee, ffs 'Say no so they cough up a fee' - as easy as that eh! Suppose we told Watford that and they replied that a loan deal is the only deal they will consider at the moment. - you are stuck with Etebo and may well be if ALL offers that we receive are for loans. What's your next move? Hope you like the u23's, son... you don't?? Oh dear what a shame, tough shit. Or if you like we can cancel your contract with no further payment so you a free to sign elsewhere
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Post by bgreen13 on Jul 9, 2021 17:55:18 GMT
'Say no so they cough up a fee' - as easy as that eh! Suppose we told Watford that and they replied that a loan deal is the only deal they will consider at the moment. - you are stuck with Etebo and may well be if ALL offers that we receive are for loans. What's your next move? Hope you like the u23's, son... you don't?? Oh dear what a shame, tough shit. Then Stoke get slagged off for not getting any money whatsoever... Ad infinitum..........
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Post by mattface on Jul 9, 2021 17:56:17 GMT
Or he's off the wage bill and we can put that to better use on a couple of players that want to play for us
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Post by yyy on Jul 9, 2021 18:00:05 GMT
Hope you like the u23's, son... you don't?? Oh dear what a shame, tough shit. Then Stoke get slagged off for not getting any money whatsoever... Ad infinitum.......... At this point I think plenty would rather we just tore up the contracts of the wasters. Should have played hardball, soft touch scfc
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Post by oldpotter1950 on Jul 9, 2021 18:01:12 GMT
it's ok getting rid of all these players of the wage bill but who are we going to bring in to replace them,up to yet an unproven defender , a first division goalkeeper and an over the hill midfielder.it doesn't bode well for any more signings if this is all we can get.
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Post by yyy on Jul 9, 2021 18:02:21 GMT
it's ok getting rid of all these players of the wage bill but who are we going to bring in to replace them,up to yet an unproven defender , a first division goalkeeper and an over the hill midfielder.it doesn't bode well for any more signings if this is all we can get. Absolutely, but we bow to loan offers from clubs above
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 18:09:31 GMT
Its poor when you can't even sell a player to a Premiership club that are basically shitting money. A loan deal? Just say no so they cough up a fee, ffs watford are 90 million pounds in debt to be fair if all to be believed and no doubt be a loan fee Beats us paying him a million plus ponds a year I guess but as someone said, puts him in the shop window perhaps. Getting there slowly. Shame , if he could be arsed he's the best of the bunch for me
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 9, 2021 18:11:35 GMT
it's ok getting rid of all these players of the wage bill but who are we going to bring in to replace them,up to yet an unproven defender , a first division goalkeeper and an over the hill midfielder.it doesn't bode well for any more signings if this is all we can get. Absolutely, but we bow to loan offers from clubs above If he does well in the first half of the season, Watford might panic and buy him in January, but also another club might come in for him. The PL is the best shop window of them all.
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Post by yyy on Jul 9, 2021 18:16:12 GMT
Its poor when you can't even sell a player to a Premiership club that are basically shitting money. A loan deal? Just say no so they cough up a fee, ffs watford are 90 million pounds in debt to be fair if all to be believed and no doubt be a loan fee Beats us paying him a million plus ponds a year I guess but as someone said, puts him in the shop window perhaps. Getting there slowly. Shame , if he could be arsed he's the best of the bunch for me Don't rate him how he played at stoke(or was played at stoke) no end product
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Post by yyy on Jul 9, 2021 18:17:20 GMT
Absolutely, but we bow to loan offers from clubs above If he does well in the first half of the season, Watford might panic and buy him in January, but also another club might come in for him. The PL is the best shop window of them all. If he is used in the same role at Watford as he was at Stoke he's not good enough imo for Premiership football. If he's used as a defensive mid and does well then for me at least why wasn't he kept here to play that role
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 9, 2021 18:26:42 GMT
Watford signed Josh King today too. Decent signing.
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Post by yyy on Jul 9, 2021 18:27:36 GMT
It doesn't make sense to loan him to me, they can afford £3m, a good negotiater gets a cash permanent transfer deal there.
The only way I can see it being worthwhile is if they are agreeing to send us a decent loan deal the other way
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Post by baystokie on Jul 9, 2021 18:29:41 GMT
If he does well in the first half of the season, Watford might panic and buy him in January, but also another club might come in for him. The PL is the best shop window of them all. If he is used in the same role at Watford as he was at Stoke he's not good enough imo for Premiership football. If he's used as a defensive mid and does well then for me at least why wasn't he kept here to play that role The reason he wasn't kept 'here' was that he wasn't prepared to put in the effort to 'do well' at a EFL club whereas he might be arsed at a Prem club.
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Post by yyy on Jul 9, 2021 18:32:17 GMT
If he is used in the same role at Watford as he was at Stoke he's not good enough imo for Premiership football. If he's used as a defensive mid and does well then for me at least why wasn't he kept here to play that role The reason he wasn't kept 'here' was that he wasn't prepared to put in the effort to 'do well' at a EFL club whereas he might be arsed at a Prem club. Let him rot then
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 9, 2021 18:35:37 GMT
It doesn't make sense to loan him to me, they can afford £3m, a good negotiater gets a cash permanent transfer deal there. The only way I can see it being worthwhile is if they are agreeing to send us a decent loan deal the other way It depends entirely on the circumstances though. It’s not as simple as just saying ‘we should’ve demanded a perm transfer or told them to fuck off’. For example, maybe we hawked him around to all Premier League and Champo clubs, and Watford were the only ones to show a slightest sniff of interest. Maybe they said ‘go on then, but only if it’s a loan with option to buy, otherwise forget it’. We’d be fairly silly to then say ‘fuck you, permanent or nothing’ if it was us who approached them. Conversely, if three or four clubs all approached us and were desperate for him, then we’d be absolutely right to try to demand a perm transfer with a decent fee. Two very different situations.
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Post by baystokie on Jul 9, 2021 18:36:40 GMT
It doesn't make sense to loan him to me, they can afford £3m, a good negotiater gets a cash permanent transfer deal there. The only way I can see it being worthwhile is if they are agreeing to send us a decent loan deal the other way 'Sense' doesn't come into it if a loan is the only offer in town. As for 'a good negotiator gets a cash deal' is easy to say but any negotiator needs to have a similarly minded negotiator on the other side. Watford may not have a loanee for us or he may have been one we didn't fancy? The 'worthwhile' is Etebo's wages off the books for a season
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Post by baystokie on Jul 9, 2021 18:38:09 GMT
The reason he wasn't kept 'here' was that he wasn't prepared to put in the effort to 'do well' at a EFL club whereas he might be arsed at a Prem club. Let him rot then Cutting your nose off to spite your face is expensive especially when it's not your money!
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Post by yyy on Jul 9, 2021 18:40:24 GMT
It doesn't make sense to loan him to me, they can afford £3m, a good negotiater gets a cash permanent transfer deal there. The only way I can see it being worthwhile is if they are agreeing to send us a decent loan deal the other way It depends entirely on the circumstances though. It’s not as simple as just saying ‘we should’ve demanded a perm transfer or told them to fuck off’. For example, maybe we hawked him around to all Premier League and Champo clubs, and Watford were the only ones to show a slightest sniff of interest. Maybe they said ‘go on then, but only if it’s a loan with option to buy, otherwise forget it’. We’d be fairly silly to then say ‘fuck you, permanent or nothing’ if it was us who approached them. Conversely, if three or four clubs all approached us and were desperate for him, then we’d be absolutely right to try to demand a perm transfer with a decent fee. Two very different situations. I'd rather take the financial hit and make a point of him tbh. Put an end to the notion that there is more than good chance of stoke loaning you out if you get bored and put in below average performances, or worse flat out say you're not interested to play for the club in the division they play. I've said the same thing since relegation though, watch them squirm when they realise they have at least a season of u23's football ahead, they would soon change their tune and play for a move if they wanted one.
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 9, 2021 18:46:17 GMT
It depends entirely on the circumstances though. It’s not as simple as just saying ‘we should’ve demanded a perm transfer or told them to fuck off’. For example, maybe we hawked him around to all Premier League and Champo clubs, and Watford were the only ones to show a slightest sniff of interest. Maybe they said ‘go on then, but only if it’s a loan with option to buy, otherwise forget it’. We’d be fairly silly to then say ‘fuck you, permanent or nothing’ if it was us who approached them. Conversely, if three or four clubs all approached us and were desperate for him, then we’d be absolutely right to try to demand a perm transfer with a decent fee. Two very different situations. I'd rather take the financial hit and make a point of him tbh. Put an end to the notion that there is more than good chance of stoke loaning you out if you get bored and put in below average performances, or worse flat out say you're not interested to play for the club in the division they play. I've said the same thing since relegation though, watch them squirm when they realise they have at least a season of u23's football ahead, they would soon change their tune and play for a move if they wanted one. Again though it’s not that simple. Would you really want some pro with an attitude stinking out the U23’s? If you were the U23 manager would you be happy trying to manage some overpaid twat who doesn’t want to be there? Or what about the U23 player who can’t get a game because some wanker refuses to play for the first team? I’m not saying I’ve got all the answers but what you suggest comes with many negative consequences. Unfortunately in most cases, the players hold all the power.
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Post by yyy on Jul 9, 2021 18:55:19 GMT
I'd rather take the financial hit and make a point of him tbh. Put an end to the notion that there is more than good chance of stoke loaning you out if you get bored and put in below average performances, or worse flat out say you're not interested to play for the club in the division they play. I've said the same thing since relegation though, watch them squirm when they realise they have at least a season of u23's football ahead, they would soon change their tune and play for a move if they wanted one. Again though it’s not that simple. Would you really want some pro with an attitude stinking out the U23’s? If you were the U23 manager would you be happy trying to manage some overpaid twat who doesn’t want to be there? Or what about the U23 player who can’t get a game because some wanker refuses to play for the first team? I’m not saying I’ve got all the answers but what you suggest comes with many negative consequences. Unfortunately in most cases, the players hold all the power. I've never known a club loan out so many first team players though, we've become known for it, who is going to offer the money when they can get a risk free loan deal?
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Post by Veritas on Jul 9, 2021 18:57:40 GMT
Option to buy is a bit dubious when he'll basically be worthless with 1 year left on his deal. Horrible cunt. I would wish him nothing but the worst, but he needs to do well so we can be shot of him for a modest fee! Ideal scenario is he has an awful season while we get promoted and can afford to write off his final year, he then disappears into obscurity.
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Post by yyy on Jul 9, 2021 18:59:21 GMT
Horrible cunt. I would wish him nothing but the worst, but he needs to do well so we can be shot of him for a modest fee! Ideal scenario is he has an awful season while we get promoted and can afford to write off his final year, he then disappears into obscurity. Yeah, break a leg son, no seriously..
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