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Post by thehoof on May 4, 2021 16:59:15 GMT
We didn’t tear any team apart when they were all fit and playing. It’s total wishful thinking, the midfield created and creates nothing. May have sneaked into the top 10, but we are 20 points away from the play-offs, I don’t see that Campbell would have got 20 points- and if he’d stayed fit, there is no saying that MO’n would have picked Fletcher, Powell and Campbell at the same time. So you don't think losing your top scorer and assist provider for most of the season and having your other two scorers and providers missing matches regularly and playing half fit would affect any team in the Championship? Before Campbell's injury we were scoring goals regularly without always being the best team, were in play off contention and yes there were signs that that forward line were really beginning to click. I don't think it wishful thinking that if those 3 players had been available all season then those 22 clean sheets - the second highest in the Championship - would have been turned into far more wins than draws. If you add in the fact that last season's top scorer(Clucas) and assist provider(McLean) have also missed a large part of the season through injury then I think we would have been very close to the play offs. Apart from that isn’t what you said- you said would tear teams apart, but fail to name one that we did that to - Reading in terms of a score line is the closest when we scored 3 from 4 attempts. Other than that we didn’t hammer anyone. The clean sheets were achieved at the expense of any forward intent- often fielding sides with 5 defenders so you’d struggle to play Campbell, Powell and Fletcher in a side featuring 3 Centre Halves and two wing backs. As I said , your assertion that we would tear teams to pieces is what I dispute most, but a midfield that would class it’s most creative player ( depending on how you term Powell) as perhaps Sam Clucas would not make anywhere near enough chances. Indeed the players that you refer too ( 5 forwards) is so totally alien to how MO’n sets up his teams, it just would be highly unlikely that you’ll ever see anything like your favoured line up.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 4, 2021 17:03:11 GMT
We're definitely in the soup without him.... I’ll give it a like mate👍🏻😉
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Post by silverdollar on May 4, 2021 17:19:33 GMT
It’s the equivalent of Spurs losing Kane. Huge loss. This thread can never have an unequivicle answer. There can be no debate really about Campbell showing promise for the future but hasn't Souttar and yet he has made recent silly mistakes. This thread is all about asking fans to use their imaginations! Whenever we have an injured player some have been made into superheroes during their abscence. Let's just move on and see what next season brings.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 4, 2021 18:13:08 GMT
So you don't think losing your top scorer and assist provider for most of the season and having your other two scorers and providers missing matches regularly and playing half fit would affect any team in the Championship? Before Campbell's injury we were scoring goals regularly without always being the best team, were in play off contention and yes there were signs that that forward line were really beginning to click. I don't think it wishful thinking that if those 3 players had been available all season then those 22 clean sheets - the second highest in the Championship - would have been turned into far more wins than draws. If you add in the fact that last season's top scorer(Clucas) and assist provider(McLean) have also missed a large part of the season through injury then I think we would have been very close to the play offs. Apart from that isn’t what you said- you said would tear teams apart, but fail to name one that we did that to - Reading in terms of a score line is the closest when we scored 3 from 4 attempts. Other than that we didn’t hammer anyone. The clean sheets were achieved at the expense of any forward intent- often fielding sides with 5 defenders so you’d struggle to play Campbell, Powell and Fletcher in a side featuring 3 Centre Halves and two wing backs. As I said , your assertion that we would tear teams to pieces is what I dispute most, but a midfield that would class it’s most creative player ( depending on how you term Powell) as perhaps Sam Clucas would not make anywhere near enough chances. Indeed the players that you refer too ( 5 forwards) is so totally alien to how MO’n sets up his teams, it just would be highly unlikely that you’ll ever see anything like your favoured line up. We'll never know what would have happened had those three been properly fit all season. I still think that the signs were there that other teams were scared of that forward line and it would be difficult to think of a front three in the Championship which would be better than them. Once Campbell went off Cardiff totally changed their tactics so you could say that that front three was the best form of defence. MON has played with a front two with Powell behind them and attacking full backs. Powell is good defensively in that set up and with 2 from Clucas, Allen and Mikel with him in midfield we should have been able to cope. Unfortunately most of the key players in that set up have not been fully fit.
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Post by thehoof on May 5, 2021 9:15:59 GMT
Just had a look at our starting line ups for the 17 league games up to and including Cardiff- before our Campbell injury and fatigue set in for Fletcher or Powell was booted into kingdom come. Guess how many times MO’n started all 3 at the same time? 7 games- around 41% of the time. Does anyone seriously think that MO’n would have become adventurous enough to play all 3 at the same time on a regular basis?
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Post by a on May 5, 2021 10:32:56 GMT
Just had a look at our starting line ups for the 17 league games up to and including Cardiff- before our Campbell injury and fatigue set in for Fletcher or Powell was booted into kingdom come. Guess how many times MO’n started all 3 at the same time? 7 games- around 41% of the time. Does anyone seriously think that MO’n would have become adventurous enough to play all 3 at the same time on a regular basis? Yes. If it was working then absolutely.
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Post by walton corner on May 5, 2021 10:52:35 GMT
The worries for me is that some think campbell will change everything when back ....he had a six month purple patch and in that time MON often benched him ....he has a lazy bone idol part to his game ..like fuller did ..which won’t make him a prolific striker ..so we need that additional forward that will be big young energetic to work with him
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Post by LL Cool Dave on May 5, 2021 11:03:15 GMT
I don't think we've ever missed one player so much. Season could have been so different. But that's what happens when you rely on one player and can't or won't get a back up striker when needed.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 12:20:26 GMT
I don't think we've ever missed one player so much. Season could have been so different. But that's what happens when you rely on one player and can't or won't get a back up striker when needed. You probably weren't around when we lost Banks. I don't think the management relied on Campbell only, for one thing Campbell wasn't even planned to be in the first team at the start of the season. Secondly we have a back up striker, Brown. Some will say he was bad buy, but he was just voted best player of last month.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 12:25:13 GMT
The worries for me is that some think campbell will change everything when back ....he had a six month purple patch and in that time MON often benched him ....he has a lazy bone idol part to his game ..like fuller did ..which won’t make him a prolific striker ..so we need that additional forward that will be big young energetic to work with him The question when he returns is, a) will he be the Ty that no one has ever seen but many expect: scoring and playing consistently, leading the whole team by example b) the Ty that some said should never play for Stoke again c) the real Ty, just another forward in the team
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Post by tachyon on May 7, 2021 7:42:55 GMT
Stoke's creativity has been the same with or without TC. The difference has been he's been clinical with his finishing. If you think that will continue when he returns, we'll be playoff contenders. If you think he'll follow the path of virtually every other hot striker & regress to the average &/or be more closely marked out of his hot streak by the opposition, we'll be a mid table team. Follow the link below Stoke with/without Tyrese Campbell
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Post by canadianmoose on May 7, 2021 13:17:54 GMT
Stoke's creativity has been the same with or without TC. The difference has been he's been clinical with his finishing. If you think that will continue when he returns, we'll be playoff contenders. If you think he'll follow the path of virtually every other hot striker & regress to the average &/or be more closely marked out of his hot streak by the opposition, we'll be a mid table team. Follow the link below Stoke with/without Tyrese Campbell Great link.
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