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Post by Billy the kid on Apr 21, 2021 21:46:53 GMT
Someone should start a book on when Bayern is going to back off claiming that Gunn is the best choice for keeper. And as for the poster who explained that the manager picked Gunn “because he said he was going to alternate”!!! Words fail me. He could shag mrs bayern, and he would be on here saying that his is the best keeper. IMO Gunn is a pointless (yeah we lose) signing and fucking crap/
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Post by danceswithclams on Apr 21, 2021 22:00:30 GMT
Preplanned rotation policy. Saw Pre-planned Rotation Policy supporting World of Twist in the early 90s. Great band.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 21, 2021 22:16:43 GMT
I only saw last 20 minutes as my lad was playing against Stoke at CW. What was the score? I meant the third one in my post above sorry too. I've absolutely no idea what the score was 🤦♂️. My lads team won 2 quarters and lost 2 quarters.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 22, 2021 0:00:33 GMT
I really do wish he was the reason we lost....but sadly he wasn't. Some of the worst defending Ive seen for quite sometime tonight. I'm not one bit surprised with baath and Chester at center half....absolute dross Chester had to come off after 11 minutes?
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 22, 2021 7:27:11 GMT
Not sure why any club would sign anybody on loan for 2 season's?. What happens if the player has a nightmare first season, then you are lumbered. Surely doesn't make any sense.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 22, 2021 7:35:46 GMT
Not sure why any club would sign anybody on loan for 2 season's?. What happens if the player has a nightmare first season, then you are lumbered. Surely doesn't make any sense. Welcome to Stoke City and a world of utter madness without accountability.
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Post by pez75 on Apr 22, 2021 7:42:09 GMT
I don't claim to be one of the self-appointed experts on here like some, but I can see one thing clear as day when it comes to our 2 keepers (I will exclude Bursik for now as he is on loan). One is confident, assured and quick to react - this may result in the odd rash error but clearly exudes confidence in the defenders in front of him - he commands his area, is excellent at 1v1's and has no obvious major faults. The other is ponderous with a paint by numbers style that means while he is not bad at anything he does not seem to excel either, and gives off a nervy vibe whenever he is on the pitch which again exudes to the men in front.
I know which keeper I want to see in sticks every week.
Next season - 1. Davies, 2. Bursik. Gunn can go and fulfill his career benchwarming elsewhere.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 22, 2021 7:43:48 GMT
Not sure why any club would sign anybody on loan for 2 season's?. What happens if the player has a nightmare first season, then you are lumbered. Surely doesn't make any sense. I don’t think it’s set in stone, Ginge. There’s a review of the deal in the summer. We can have him again next season if Stoke, Southampton, and the player are happy to do so. There was very little complaining when we signed him. It’s all come to light due to Bursik coming back and doing reasonably well (no better than that) when both senior keepers got injured.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 22, 2021 8:59:18 GMT
Looked awful last night.
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Post by thehoof on Apr 22, 2021 9:06:06 GMT
What was the score? I meant the third one in my post above sorry too. I've absolutely no idea what the score was 🤦♂️. My lads team won 2 quarters and lost 2 quarters. Adopting that system may give the first team more points?😉
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 22, 2021 10:34:28 GMT
I don't claim to be one of the self-appointed experts on here like some, but I can see one thing clear as day when it comes to our 2 keepers (I will exclude Bursik for now as he is on loan). One is confident, assured and quick to react - this may result in the odd rash error but clearly exudes confidence in the defenders in front of him - he commands his area, is excellent at 1v1's and has no obvious major faults. The other is ponderous with a paint by numbers style that means while he is not bad at anything he does not seem to excel either, and gives off a nervy vibe whenever he is on the pitch which again exudes to the men in front. I know which keeper I want to see in sticks every week. Next season - 1. Davies, 2. Bursik. Gunn can go and fulfill his career benchwarming elsewhere. I think you'll find that despite all that and the stats backing you up, some people on here who are never wrong will dispute it. I'm also worried that MoN might dispute it.
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Post by questionable on Apr 22, 2021 12:18:24 GMT
I think this gives absolute clarity on where the keepers rank now. Well, in that we know who’s 3rd choice... I think that can be said for our whole transfer policy
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Post by pottersrule on Apr 22, 2021 12:51:42 GMT
I think this gives absolute clarity on where the keepers rank now. Well, in that we know who’s 3rd choice... Same as he was at Southampton then.
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Post by pottersrule on Apr 22, 2021 12:54:31 GMT
If he's so commanding how come he never says a word? How come the defence look infinitely worse when he plays? Unfortunately it seems that once some keepers lose their confidence they are finished. Hart, Butland and Gunn are all examples of this. Pardon the pun but he does look absolutely shot. I pray wer haven't signed a 2 year loan deal. if he has shocking form from the transfer team Not for the first time.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 22, 2021 15:35:21 GMT
There's absolutely nothing between Davies and Gunn atm. Both ok keepers in average form prone to slight misjudgments if not total blunders. In fact for a minute or two on Saturday I was swearing at Davies because Gunn's error was so Davies-esque.
Have them both and play the one in form next season while Bursik develops on loan. Seems fine to me, I don't know what people want? Sending Gunn back makes no sense unless we sign another goalie - also probably on loan - because then we'd have our young keeper warming the bench instead of playing 1st team footy. It's the one area of the pitch where we're more or less sorted for next season. This shouldn't be an issue.
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Post by thehoof on Apr 22, 2021 15:47:39 GMT
If you look at the Infogol statistics and the performance statistics ( expected saves, goals conceded, passes etc) the clear winner by a decent margin is Joe Bursick (6.58). There is nothing between Davies (6.34) and Gunn (6.33). I’m sure Tachyon could explain how it’s worked out, but that is the current CHAMPIONSHIP rating for each of our GK’s.
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Post by march4 on Apr 22, 2021 22:34:33 GMT
Surely last night’s performance told everyone at SCFC to find an immediate way to end Gunn’s loan.
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Post by numpty40 on Apr 22, 2021 22:58:42 GMT
We've conceded 3 or more goals on 7 occasions this season, Gunn played in 4 of those games, Bursik in 3 and Davies in none. Make of that what you will.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Apr 22, 2021 23:14:21 GMT
We've conceded 3 or more goals on 7 occasions this season, Gunn played in 4 of those games, Bursik in 3 and Davies in none. Make of that what you will. Shit defence!!! 🤔
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 23, 2021 8:03:22 GMT
If you look at the Infogol statistics and the performance statistics ( expected saves, goals conceded, passes etc) the clear winner by a decent margin is Joe Bursick (6.58). There is nothing between Davies (6.34) and Gunn (6.33). I’m sure Tachyon could explain how it’s worked out, but that is the current CHAMPIONSHIP rating for each of our GK’s. Not sure how infogol arrive at that specific figure for goalkeepers. But other analytical analysis of Championship keepers I've seen suggests Bursik comes out pretty badly in terms of shot-stopping - and Davies comes out as the best in all areas and in the top quarter in the division
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 23, 2021 8:22:11 GMT
If you look at the Infogol statistics and the performance statistics ( expected saves, goals conceded, passes etc) the clear winner by a decent margin is Joe Bursick (6.58). There is nothing between Davies (6.34) and Gunn (6.33). I’m sure Tachyon could explain how it’s worked out, but that is the current CHAMPIONSHIP rating for each of our GK’s. Not sure how infogol arrive at that specific figure for goalkeepers. But other analytical analysis of Championship keepers I've seen suggests Bursik comes out pretty badly in terms of shot-stopping - and Davies comes out as the best in all areas and in the top quarter in the division Ouch, those shot stopping stats for Bursik are cruel. I notice he let a pretty dodgy one in for Peterborough the other night too - moving his right hand out of the way at the last minute of a left footers right foot swinger from the edge of the box. However, the flip side of it is there is a huge amount of potential in him. I'm not a goalkeeper per se, so for those that are, what are the percentage chances of improving a goalkeepers shot stopping and by how much?
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Post by thehoof on Apr 23, 2021 8:34:27 GMT
If you look at the Infogol statistics and the performance statistics ( expected saves, goals conceded, passes etc) the clear winner by a decent margin is Joe Bursick (6.58). There is nothing between Davies (6.34) and Gunn (6.33). I’m sure Tachyon could explain how it’s worked out, but that is the current CHAMPIONSHIP rating for each of our GK’s. Not sure how infogol arrive at that specific figure for goalkeepers. But other analytical analysis of Championship keepers I've seen suggests Bursik comes out pretty badly in terms of shot-stopping - and Davies comes out as the best in all areas and in the top quarter in the division You are right- I have no idea how a GK’s stats are computed; as I said earlier I think Tachyon would be our man- in today’s game there could be a reasonable weighting given to the Keeper’s ability with his feet- I’m afraid I still see the main responsibility of the Keeper to prevent the ball entering the net.
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Post by tachyon on Apr 23, 2021 8:55:00 GMT
If you look at the Infogol statistics and the performance statistics ( expected saves, goals conceded, passes etc) the clear winner by a decent margin is Joe Bursick (6.58). There is nothing between Davies (6.34) and Gunn (6.33). I’m sure Tachyon could explain how it’s worked out, but that is the current CHAMPIONSHIP rating for each of our GK’s. The overall rating includes every aspect of a keeper's contribution. So distribution (pass accuracy verses difficulty verses gain or loss in field position), cross claiming etc as well as shot stopping based on the quality of the on target attempt. The latter is Bursik's weakest attribute at the moment, mainly down to his sometimes suspect positioning where the speed of the pro game catches him out. But that's not a criticism, more an inevitable product of youth. Shot stopping is ok as a performance indicator and to diagnose where a keeper can improve, but it is also statistically has alot of noise. It only starts to be useful for future performance after at least 200 shots on target. (That's over a whole season for a keeper on a bad team). I'll do a full rundown of everyone's numbers at the end of the season now we've got the Peruvian, Colombian, MLS & Euro 2020 models out of the way!
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Post by shrewspotter on Apr 23, 2021 14:03:23 GMT
We don’t need Angus Gunn
For the life of me Davies is a better keeper plus we can save Gunns wage ( I am assuming we are paying something) towards a new striker, midfielder, right back or winger that we do actually need
Davies number 1 next season, Bursik number 2 with Blondy 3. Simples
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Post by Miles Offside on Apr 23, 2021 18:06:14 GMT
A needless recruit and a waste of precious resources. No better than Davies and Bursik.
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Post by Royal Donut on Apr 23, 2021 22:45:58 GMT
Not sure why any club would sign anybody on loan for 2 season's?. What happens if the player has a nightmare first season, then you are lumbered. Surely doesn't make any sense. Because the club loaning out the player have no confidence in the player returning to compete for the first team. Just like us with wimmer,just loan him to anyone to save wages. To Southampton it makes sense, and it makes sense to us to make bad signing after bad signing, It's what we do.
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Post by wilcopotter on Apr 24, 2021 5:57:38 GMT
Send him back, we don’t need him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 6:25:45 GMT
Send him back, we don’t need him. Nor do we want him
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 24, 2021 7:08:23 GMT
I don't claim to be one of the self-appointed experts on here like some, but I can see one thing clear as day when it comes to our 2 keepers (I will exclude Bursik for now as he is on loan). One is confident, assured and quick to react - this may result in the odd rash error but clearly exudes confidence in the defenders in front of him - he commands his area, is excellent at 1v1's and has no obvious major faults. The other is ponderous with a paint by numbers style that means while he is not bad at anything he does not seem to excel either, and gives off a nervy vibe whenever he is on the pitch which again exudes to the men in front. I know which keeper I want to see in sticks every week. Next season - 1. Davies, 2. Bursik. Gunn can go and fulfill his career benchwarming elsewhere. Great assessment. If your keepers nervy your defenders will be too.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 24, 2021 7:11:13 GMT
I don't claim to be one of the self-appointed experts on here like some, but I can see one thing clear as day when it comes to our 2 keepers (I will exclude Bursik for now as he is on loan). One is confident, assured and quick to react - this may result in the odd rash error but clearly exudes confidence in the defenders in front of him - he commands his area, is excellent at 1v1's and has no obvious major faults. The other is ponderous with a paint by numbers style that means while he is not bad at anything he does not seem to excel either, and gives off a nervy vibe whenever he is on the pitch which again exudes to the men in front. I know which keeper I want to see in sticks every week. Next season - 1. Davies, 2. Bursik. Gunn can go and fulfill his career benchwarming elsewhere. Great assessment. If your keepers nervy your defenders will be too. I stopped reading at "one (Davies) has no major faults".
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