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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 20:45:01 GMT
awful teams but I guess is about points end of day.
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Post by tejstokie on Mar 31, 2021 20:45:06 GMT
We could be in the German dressing room right now so it could be worse.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 31, 2021 20:48:32 GMT
awful teams but I guess is about points end of day. See Germany... (They’ll probably win the euros now)
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Post by emred on Mar 31, 2021 20:50:29 GMT
Ian wright and Ashley Cole blame Pope not Stones 😂🤣😂😂😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 20:52:42 GMT
awful teams but I guess is about points end of day. See Germany... (They’ll probably win the euros now) The only thing I know about N Macedonia is that Mother Theresa was born there and as you say, the Germans will always be there at the end
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 20:52:44 GMT
Ian wright and Ashley Cole blame Pope not Stones 😂🤣😂😂😂😂 To be fair Pope starts it all with an awful pass. It was so bad it nearly went backwards
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Post by Davef on Mar 31, 2021 20:53:47 GMT
Roy Keane summed Stones up there. He gets bored. He gets bored and he switches off. He's an absolute liability who has cost us a place in the final of the last two tournaments we've played in. He's able to redeem himself against the likes of Poland at international level and Burnley and Crystal Palace in the Premier League, but when he f**ks up in the World Cup/European Championship semi final there's no way back.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 31, 2021 21:06:31 GMT
Ian wright and Ashley Cole blame Pope not Stones 😂🤣😂😂😂😂 To be fair Pope starts it all with an awful pass. It was so bad it nearly went backwards They’re both culpable but so is the manager. Twat it up the pitch!
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Post by hardcastle on Mar 31, 2021 21:06:33 GMT
Ian wright and Ashley Cole blame Pope not Stones 😂🤣😂😂😂😂 Not sure even the UVF were that one eyed!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 21:11:20 GMT
Harry Kane ( our best finisher ) dropping deep is going to generate a lot of attention
Could you imagine ...Tony waddington telling Jimmy Greenhoff to stay away from the penalty area and drop deep ...Lou Macari telling mark stein to meander around the half way line ...TP telling ric to hover around the half way line and help out the midfield ...I don't think so
But more concerning for me is Southgate's penchant for sticking rice and Phillips in our midfield
They are just not brave enough on the ball to be England internationals .
Mickey Thomas , Kevin keen , Howard Kendall , Johnny Eustace , Steven nzonzi were full on competitive and loved to put a tackle in ,but they had a thousand times more ability on the ball than rice and Phillips ...and they played for Stoke !
The proper combative England midfielder... is Colin bell , Bryan Robson ,Paul Gascoigne, Steven Gerrard , Frank lampard ...rice and Phillips are not even on the same planet
Mason mount , James Madison , James ward prowse , Dwight McNeil... are young English midfielders happy to put a tackle in AND SHOW SOME BOTTLE ON THE BALL .
Stop being so cowardly Southgate and get these lads in your midfield .
Let's play football .
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2021 21:13:49 GMT
Harry Kane ( our best finisher ) dropping deep is going to generate a lot of attention Could you imagine ...Tony waddington telling Jimmy Greenhoff to stay away from the penalty area and drop deep ...Lou Macari telling mark stein to meander around the half way line ...TP telling ric to hover around the half way line and help out the midfield ...I don't think so But more concerning for me is Southgate's penchant for sticking rice and Phillips in our midfield They are just not brave enough on the ball to be England internationals . Mickey Thomas , Kevin keen , Howard Kendall , Johnny Eustace , Steven nzonzi were full on competitive and loved to put a tackle in ,but they had a thousand times more ability on the ball than rice and Phillips ...and they played for Stoke ! The proper combative England midfielder... is Colin bell , Bryan Robson ,Paul Gascoigne, Steven Gerrard , Frank lampard ...rice and Phillips are not even on the same planet Mason mount , James Madison , James ward prowse , Dwight McNeil... are young English midfielders happy to put a tackle in AND SHOW SOME BOTTLE ON THE BALL . Stop being so cowardly Southgate and get these lads in your midfield . Let's play football . Kane dropping deep is really pissing me off. It makes having too many midfielders anyway even more of an issue. We basically have a wall of 6 players between the halfway line and box getting in the way of each other.
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Post by Davef on Mar 31, 2021 21:19:20 GMT
"What's he supposed to do?" Give it back to Pope? Pass it to Walker? Clear his lines? The bloke's got 42 England caps. Shawcross's England career was strangled at birth because he struggled to deal with Zlatan. This clown can't deal with a dodgy pass from his keeper and he's probably going to win 80 caps.
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Post by The man from Utch on Mar 31, 2021 21:19:29 GMT
Ian wright and Ashley Cole blame Pope not Stones 😂🤣😂😂😂😂 I do too, Pope's pass to him which was awful, put him under huge unnecessary pressure.
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Post by duckling on Mar 31, 2021 21:33:10 GMT
We could be in the German dressing room right now so it could be worse. Could North Macedonia be the surprise team in Euro 2020/21? Huge excitement from qualifying for their first major tournament, plus a lot of confidence from this victory. Their Euro group is Austria, Ukraine, and the Netherlands.
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Post by lordb on Mar 31, 2021 21:55:05 GMT
Harry Kane ( our best finisher ) dropping deep is going to generate a lot of attention Could you imagine ...Tony waddington telling Jimmy Greenhoff to stay away from the penalty area and drop deep ...Lou Macari telling mark stein to meander around the half way line ...TP telling ric to hover around the half way line and help out the midfield ...I don't think so But more concerning for me is Southgate's penchant for sticking rice and Phillips in our midfield They are just not brave enough on the ball to be England internationals . Mickey Thomas , Kevin keen , Howard Kendall , Johnny Eustace , Steven nzonzi were full on competitive and loved to put a tackle in ,but they had a thousand times more ability on the ball than rice and Phillips ...and they played for Stoke ! The proper combative England midfielder... is Colin bell , Bryan Robson ,Paul Gascoigne, Steven Gerrard , Frank lampard ...rice and Phillips are not even on the same planet Mason mount , James Madison , James ward prowse , Dwight McNeil... are young English midfielders happy to put a tackle in AND SHOW SOME BOTTLE ON THE BALL . Stop being so cowardly Southgate and get these lads in your midfield . Let's play football . Greenhoff did drop deep! Kane dropping deep can be very effect provided two pact players ahead i.e. Sterling and Rashford or Sancho When it's Foden or Grealish it's not going to work
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 31, 2021 22:54:54 GMT
"What's he supposed to do?" Give it back to Pope? Pass it to Walker? Clear his lines? The bloke's got 42 England caps. Shawcross's England career was strangled at birth because he struggled to deal with Zlatan. This clown can't deal with a dodgy pass from his keeper and he's probably going to win 80 caps. You just can't trust him in the big games. I think Southgate might have just realised that tonight.
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Post by The man from Utch on Mar 31, 2021 23:36:16 GMT
Stones did brilliant for the assist on the second goal.
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 1, 2021 2:16:27 GMT
Stones did brilliant for the assist on the second goal. Agreed. It was a great assist. He’s a cracking player. Very resilient too. He was on his way out at Citeh but managed to force his way back into their first XI as a regular which is no mean achievement. He clearly though does have that unfortunate tendency to drop a clanger. I think Keane got it near enough right, but it’s complacency not boredom at fault. I suspect Guardiola’s intensity might help him out here. Stones looks like a player who benefits from having one of those managers who you feel is constantly on your back. Ferguson and Clough are similar types. Southgate doesn’t seem to be.
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Post by Northy on Apr 1, 2021 6:00:34 GMT
Top ref, he's been around for years. Him and his team were sat on the next table in the hotel to me at breakfast a few years ago the morning after Sevilla v Shaktar UEFA cup semi final 2nd leg, Sevilla won and met Liverpool in the final Yeah..but did he have the full monty or bottle it with a yogurt and a nod towards the flat meat? (Same for you really) You can't get a full monty out there, the best are those awful bits of greasy streaky bacon, and a tiny sausage, plenty of oranges though 😉
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 1, 2021 8:12:23 GMT
Roy Keane summed Stones up there. He gets bored. He gets bored and he switches off. He's an absolute liability who has cost us a place in the final of the last two tournaments we've played in. He's able to redeem himself against the likes of Poland at international level and Burnley and Crystal Palace in the Premier League, but when he f**ks up in the World Cup/European Championship semi final there's no way back. Stones plays for man city and therefore will be given unlimited opportunity for England regard of performance
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Post by fazza90 on Apr 1, 2021 11:04:48 GMT
The thing that worries me about England at the moment is we have one the best attacking line-ups in the world right now and he still plays 2 sitting defensive midfielders against teams like San Marino & Poland (without their main striker). Or worse he'll put 3 centre backs on the pitch. Looking at our forwards available is incredible and teams should be terrified of us : Kane, Sterling, Rashford, Foden, Greenwood, Maddison, Mount, Grealish, Sancho, Saka.
We could and should be tearing teams apart not patting ourselves on the back for scraping past Poland 2-1 without creating much.
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Post by hardcastle on Apr 1, 2021 12:37:53 GMT
I've heard this argument. But isn't Southgate simply working on a system which he hopes will be good enough to beat the likes of a France, Spain or Argentina in the event we have to face them. We're pretty much playing with four forwards, so Phillips and Rice's job is to give those forwards as much freedom as possible further up the pitch where they can do damage.
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Post by nott1 on Apr 1, 2021 13:52:24 GMT
One of the most boring matches I've seen in a long time!
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Apr 1, 2021 23:03:54 GMT
Boring and a lucky win
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 23:17:22 GMT
The thing that worries me about England at the moment is we have one the best attacking line-ups in the world right now and he still plays 2 sitting defensive midfielders against teams like San Marino & Poland (without their main striker). Or worse he'll put 3 centre backs on the pitch. Looking at our forwards available is incredible and teams should be terrified of us : Kane, Sterling, Rashford, Foden, Greenwood, Maddison, Mount, Grealish, Sancho, Saka. We could and should be tearing teams apart not patting ourselves on the back for scraping past Poland 2-1 without creating much. Should they? Since when have England torn teams like Poland apart? I think face facts that they are say top 8 in Europe but not much more but do have an outside chance of doing well in the say the Euros but never say made a final when the likes of Denmark and Greece have won one in my time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 9:24:00 GMT
awful teams but I guess is about points end of day. It was. Luxembourg were really happy with the 3 points
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 10:22:14 GMT
awful teams but I guess is about points end of day. It was. Luxembourg were really happy with the 3 points to be fair was no expectations there and doesn't make England better team. England have the players to be semis at least but don't think Southgate is the man. you need luck in tournaments also but the ability to see games out against the top sides . starting to think Italy to go far as rebuilding well and for me England seem to show the bigger nations too much respect in tournament football. perhaps there is too much expectation after going close to the final before which could work against them. England seem to have gone backwards last 18months but i guess is what happens that month and not now. I always thought Jose was the man for England but not a yes man like those before is certainly wide open .
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 2, 2021 12:51:15 GMT
It was. Luxembourg were really happy with the 3 points to be fair was no expectations there and doesn't make England better team. England have the players to be semis at least but don't think Southgate is the man. you need luck in tournaments also but the ability to see games out against the top sides . starting to think Italy to go far as rebuilding well and for me England seem to show the bigger nations too much respect in tournament football. perhaps there is too much expectation after going close to the final before which could work against them. England seem to have gone backwards last 18months but i guess is what happens that month and not now. I always thought Jose was the man for England but not a yes man like those before is certainly wide open . Semis at least? Really?
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Post by fazza90 on Apr 2, 2021 17:27:03 GMT
The thing that worries me about England at the moment is we have one the best attacking line-ups in the world right now and he still plays 2 sitting defensive midfielders against teams like San Marino & Poland (without their main striker). Or worse he'll put 3 centre backs on the pitch. Looking at our forwards available is incredible and teams should be terrified of us : Kane, Sterling, Rashford, Foden, Greenwood, Maddison, Mount, Grealish, Sancho, Saka. We could and should be tearing teams apart not patting ourselves on the back for scraping past Poland 2-1 without creating much. Should they? Since when have England torn teams like Poland apart? I think face facts that they are say top 8 in Europe but not much more but do have an outside chance of doing well in the say the Euros but never say made a final when the likes of Denmark and Greece have won one in my time. Yes we should be tearing Poland apart when you look at the squad we have available compared to them. Our main strength is our attacking players so we should be playing to that strength & getting at teams & creating chances. We have way more potential than we're showing in the games at the moment - maybe it's Southgates masterplan to lure everyone into thinking we're defensive & boring then unleash the skill in the euros! Or maybe he's just a defensively minded, cautious, steady manager who doesn't know how to utilise our attacking flair.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 18:23:46 GMT
to be fair was no expectations there and doesn't make England better team. England have the players to be semis at least but don't think Southgate is the man. you need luck in tournaments also but the ability to see games out against the top sides . starting to think Italy to go far as rebuilding well and for me England seem to show the bigger nations too much respect in tournament football. perhaps there is too much expectation after going close to the final before which could work against them. England seem to have gone backwards last 18months but i guess is what happens that month and not now. I always thought Jose was the man for England but not a yes man like those before is certainly wide open . Semis at least? Really? with the right team I don't see why not. A lot as i said just depends on who hits form when it matters.
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