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Post by metalhead on Apr 19, 2021 6:06:16 GMT
Swap with diet. Problem solved. Be like 120 calories then. You're not gonna get any argument from me on this one fella... School was a few years back for me and the ex mentioned this about 6 years ago. I think people are a bit more aware now? Well, I'm surprised at the negativity that surrounds diet soft drinks. They're low calorie and none of the links to diabetes etc have ever been proven.
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Post by zigazaga on Apr 19, 2021 12:22:07 GMT
Just drive past any Stoke McDonalds on a Sunday morning and you will see that they are always packed out. Lazy parents taking there kids for Sunday morning burgers on the premise that they are breakfast muffins so its OK.
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Post by felonious on Apr 19, 2021 15:37:12 GMT
Just drive past any Stoke McDonalds on a Sunday morning and you will see that they are always packed out. Lazy parents taking there kids for Sunday morning burgers on the premise that they are breakfast muffins so its OK. It's not just Stoke though I drove past one just outside Hinckley on Saturday morning cars queueing all the way around and into the site and people queueing outside. It's not the novelty of coming out of lockdown either these places have been open all the way through.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 20, 2021 5:56:13 GMT
Just drive past any Stoke McDonalds on a Sunday morning and you will see that they are always packed out. Lazy parents taking there kids for Sunday morning burgers on the premise that they are breakfast muffins so its OK. I don't think it's right that as a society, we continue to blame fast food outlets for obesity. McDonald's always put on their adverts that they are to be consumed as part of a healthy balanced diet and it's not up to them to enforce that. This is down to choice and the fact we continue to make bad ones. I do think that informing kids about calories would help. This isn't about telling them to eat rabbit food but I failed to understand the link between calories and weight until I was fat. Labelling food as good or bad doesn't make sense. Some food is simply higher in calories than other food. If you ensure that your calorie intake is sensible, you will not end up morbidly obese.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 20, 2021 9:27:17 GMT
Just drive past any Stoke McDonalds on a Sunday morning and you will see that they are always packed out. Lazy parents taking there kids for Sunday morning burgers on the premise that they are breakfast muffins so its OK. I don't think it's right that as a society, we continue to blame fast food outlets for obesity. McDonald's always put on their adverts that they are to be consumed as part of a healthy balanced diet and it's not up to them to enforce that. This is down to choice and the fact we continue to make bad ones. I do think that informing kids about calories would help. This isn't about telling them to eat rabbit food but I failed to understand the link between calories and weight until I was fat. Labelling food as good or bad doesn't make sense. Some food is simply higher in calories than other food. If you ensure that your calorie intake is sensible, you will not end up morbidly obese. All correct, but that does rely on individual responsibility which, as the stats show, is in short supply when it comes to eating and drinking ourselves obese. I honestly think people need protecting from themselves a lot of the time! Freedom to make poor decisions is absolutely fine provided it doesn't impact on anyone else but, in the case of obesity, it absolutely does drain the NHS of valuable resources and therefore does have that significant impact. Out of curiosity, I'd be interested to know where Stoke-on-Trent lies in terms of national obesity levels. Every pic I ever see of Stoke fans at games has a lot of overweight people in it.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 20, 2021 12:32:25 GMT
I don't think it's right that as a society, we continue to blame fast food outlets for obesity. McDonald's always put on their adverts that they are to be consumed as part of a healthy balanced diet and it's not up to them to enforce that. This is down to choice and the fact we continue to make bad ones. I do think that informing kids about calories would help. This isn't about telling them to eat rabbit food but I failed to understand the link between calories and weight until I was fat. Labelling food as good or bad doesn't make sense. Some food is simply higher in calories than other food. If you ensure that your calorie intake is sensible, you will not end up morbidly obese. All correct, but that does rely on individual responsibility which, as the stats show, is in short supply when it comes to eating and drinking ourselves obese. I honestly think people need protecting from themselves a lot of the time! Freedom to make poor decisions is absolutely fine provided it doesn't impact on anyone else but, in the case of obesity, it absolutely does drain the NHS of valuable resources and therefore does have that significant impact. Out of curiosity, I'd be interested to know where Stoke-on-Trent lies in terms of national obesity levels. Every pic I ever see of Stoke fans at games has a lot of overweight people in it. I would expect we're one of the worst.
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Post by duckling on Apr 21, 2021 18:42:41 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 22, 2021 8:42:49 GMT
"£5.1 billion is spent every year on treating weight related health issues" - such a waste of money and resources when almost all of that will be entirely self-inflicted.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on May 9, 2021 19:10:03 GMT
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Post by Goonie on May 10, 2021 5:48:44 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000vy1lOffers lots of advice: Walking before breakfast Ability to perform press ups as an indicator of likelihood of heart attack Press ups and squats to improve brain function Everything he suggests is low to no cost. Therefore the only reason for people not to do it is a lack of interest in their own wellbeing I think this attitude is also class driven to some extent as many (obviously not all) working class people would see gym membership etc as self-indulgent whereas a middle class person would see it as an essential. Another factor is we have a food culture of consuming cheap, high carb, calories that our ancestors needed to survive the long hours and hard labour of employment, no cars so had to walk everywhere and modern people invariably don't do either
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 10, 2021 8:14:24 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000vy1lOffers lots of advice: Walking before breakfast Ability to perform press ups as an indicator of likelihood of heart attack Press ups and squats to improve brain function Everything he suggests is low to no cost. Therefore the only reason for people not to do it is a lack of interest in their own wellbeingI think this attitude is also class driven to some extent as many (obviously not all) working class people would see gym membership etc as self-indulgent whereas a middle class person would see it as an essential. Another factor is we have a food culture of consuming cheap, high carb, calories that our ancestors needed to survive the long hours and hard labour of employment, no cars so had to walk everywhere and modern people invariably don't do either Yes, and/or a belief that someone else should sort it out for them when their health suffers as a result.
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Post by walstoke on May 10, 2021 10:36:10 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000vy1lOffers lots of advice: Walking before breakfast Ability to perform press ups as an indicator of likelihood of heart attack Press ups and squats to improve brain function Everything he suggests is low to no cost. Therefore the only reason for people not to do it is a lack of interest in their own wellbeingI think this attitude is also class driven to some extent as many (obviously not all) working class people would see gym membership etc as self-indulgent whereas a middle class person would see it as an essential. Another factor is we have a food culture of consuming cheap, high carb, calories that our ancestors needed to survive the long hours and hard labour of employment, no cars so had to walk everywhere and modern people invariably don't do either Yes, and/or a belief that someone else should sort it out for them when their health suffers as a result. Exercise is the biggest problem for me. There's too much reliance on cars. It takes me 3 minutes to walk to my local shops, both my neighbours drive there. It doesn't matter what you eat if you don't burn any of it off. I'm not saying everyone should be athletes, just walk a bit further a bit faster.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 10, 2021 10:42:39 GMT
Yes, and/or a belief that someone else should sort it out for them when their health suffers as a result. Exercise is the biggest problem for me. There's too much reliance on cars. It takes me 3 minutes to walk to my local shops, both my neighbours drive there. It doesn't matter what you eat if you don't burn any of it off. I'm not saying everyone should be athletes, just walk a bit further a bit faster. Completely agree. One of the benefits of lockdown for me has been to completely shift my attitude towards doing just what you describe. My local shops are about a 15 min brisk walk away. Previously, I'd have taken the lazy option. Now I walk loads more. So much better for your physical and mental health, and the environment. This is what concerns me about changing lifestyles to tackle climate change, I have to say. I think people are so used to being lazy and relying on cars, there will be a massive opposition to doing that less, if we have to.
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Post by walstoke on May 10, 2021 11:11:02 GMT
Exercise is the biggest problem for me. There's too much reliance on cars. It takes me 3 minutes to walk to my local shops, both my neighbours drive there. It doesn't matter what you eat if you don't burn any of it off. I'm not saying everyone should be athletes, just walk a bit further a bit faster. Completely agree. One of the benefits of lockdown for me has been to completely shift my attitude towards doing just what you describe. My local shops are about a 15 min brisk walk away. Previously, I'd have taken the lazy option. Now I walk loads more. So much better for your physical and mental health, and the environment. This is what concerns me about changing lifestyles to tackle climate change, I have to say. I think people are so used to being lazy and relying on cars, there will be a massive opposition to doing that less, if we have to. I think alot of people want to be healthier, motivation is the problem, I've kept fit all my life, but at the age of 52 I have to give myself a kick star sometimes, especially when the weather's crap.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 10, 2021 13:01:17 GMT
Completely agree. One of the benefits of lockdown for me has been to completely shift my attitude towards doing just what you describe. My local shops are about a 15 min brisk walk away. Previously, I'd have taken the lazy option. Now I walk loads more. So much better for your physical and mental health, and the environment. This is what concerns me about changing lifestyles to tackle climate change, I have to say. I think people are so used to being lazy and relying on cars, there will be a massive opposition to doing that less, if we have to. I think alot of people want to be healthier, motivation is the problem, I've kept fit all my life, but at the age of 52 I have to give myself a kick star sometimes, especially when the weather's crap. Just been chatting to a colleague who's lost a stone since March by visiting a personal trainer once a week (the trainer kitted out their garage as a training room). She dumped her gym membership in favour of a £30 personal session one hour a week, plus calorie counting. Loves it. Not everyone has £30 to spare for such a thing, I know, but there's a good way of tackling it.
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Post by walstoke on May 10, 2021 13:08:55 GMT
I think alot of people want to be healthier, motivation is the problem, I've kept fit all my life, but at the age of 52 I have to give myself a kick star sometimes, especially when the weather's crap. Just been chatting to a colleague who's lost a stone since March by visiting a personal trainer once a week (the trainer kitted out their garage as a training room). She dumped her gym membership in favour of a £30 personal session one hour a week, plus calorie counting. Loves it. Not everyone has £30 to spare for such a thing, I know, but there's a good way of tackling it. I agree, a personal trainer is great for motivation, you don't have to think about it and they will push you more than you would yourself, but £30 a session does rule some out.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 10, 2021 13:17:21 GMT
Just been chatting to a colleague who's lost a stone since March by visiting a personal trainer once a week (the trainer kitted out their garage as a training room). She dumped her gym membership in favour of a £30 personal session one hour a week, plus calorie counting. Loves it. Not everyone has £30 to spare for such a thing, I know, but there's a good way of tackling it. I agree, a personal trainer is great for motivation, you don't have to think about it and they will push you more than you would yourself, but £30 a session does rule some out. Yes, £120 a month is a lot of money, if you did it every week, but what price your health and fitness, really? You could do it for three months or so, lose weight, get in shape and then keep it off by running/swimming...I think sometimes it's easier to find reasons why not to do these things. But it's not cheap I agree.
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Post by walstoke on May 10, 2021 13:26:17 GMT
I agree, a personal trainer is great for motivation, you don't have to think about it and they will push you more than you would yourself, but £30 a session does rule some out. Yes, £120 a month is a lot of money, if you did it every week, but what price your health and fitness, really? You could do it for three months or so, lose weight, get in shape and then keep it off by running/swimming...I think sometimes it's easier to find reasons why not to do these things. But it's not cheap I agree. I pay £20 a month for the gym, for that, i can go to the gym or swim as many times as I like, but I'm a qulified personal trainer and i know what I'm doing. Going to a gym with no knowledge is daunting, even with an induction people struggle, so personal trainers are vital. There are several resident in the gym I attend, they charge £20 a 1 hour session.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 10, 2021 14:08:35 GMT
Yes, £120 a month is a lot of money, if you did it every week, but what price your health and fitness, really? You could do it for three months or so, lose weight, get in shape and then keep it off by running/swimming...I think sometimes it's easier to find reasons why not to do these things. But it's not cheap I agree. I pay £20 a month for the gym, for that, i can go to the gym or swim as many times as I like, but I'm a qulified personal trainer and i know what I'm doing. Going to a gym with no knowledge is daunting, even with an induction people struggle, so personal trainers are vital. There are several resident in the gym I attend, they charge £20 a 1 hour session. Interestingly, my colleague said she gets far more benefit out of the personal trainer sessions than she ever did going to the gym, which ties in with what you were saying about being pushed more than you would on your own. Often, she'd leave the gym without even sweating, which seems pretty pointless!
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Post by walstoke on May 10, 2021 14:28:30 GMT
I pay £20 a month for the gym, for that, i can go to the gym or swim as many times as I like, but I'm a qulified personal trainer and i know what I'm doing. Going to a gym with no knowledge is daunting, even with an induction people struggle, so personal trainers are vital. There are several resident in the gym I attend, they charge £20 a 1 hour session. Interestingly, my colleague said she gets far more benefit out of the personal trainer sessions than she ever did going to the gym, which ties in with what you were saying about being pushed more than you would on your own. Often, she'd leave the gym without even sweating, which seems pretty pointless! Alot of people feel uneasy or embarrassed to ask for help, but they shouldn't. Most experienced gym users are only too happy to help, it means you can show off your knowledge, lol. About half the gym users at Bloxwich active living are obese and alot are between 60 and 80. Alot of them really work hard in there. I don't see many young people in there though and that's the problem. Forming healthier habits early in life is vital
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Post by felonious on May 18, 2021 12:30:13 GMT
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Post by salopstick on May 18, 2021 12:52:21 GMT
Isn’t that just the problem
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Post by felonious on May 18, 2021 13:19:44 GMT
Isn’t that just the problem Yes it's food for thought.
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Post by Northy on May 18, 2021 17:23:40 GMT
and the cost to the NHS and hence taxpayers for most people's bone idleness and the want to gorge themselves on shite food
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Post by zerps on May 18, 2021 18:22:51 GMT
I have salads delivered to my house from mcdonalds and subway. Decent tbf.
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Post by felonious on May 19, 2021 6:17:55 GMT
and the cost to the NHS and hence taxpayers for most people's bone idleness and the want to gorge themselves on shite food Being overweight is a huge contributory factor with Covid so the UK population has just spent the last 12 months getting fatter
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 19, 2021 7:23:17 GMT
and the cost to the NHS and hence taxpayers for most people's bone idleness and the want to gorge themselves on shite food I find it quite bizarre really. When you think about all the other stuff that people whine about that has little or no significant impact on UK life, especially financially/economically. The fact that eating and drinking yourself into a state where you are such a drain on the NHS that you do have an impact on UK life is somehow seen as not even worthy of comment, or somehow normal. Strange priorities some folk have.
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 19, 2021 7:30:34 GMT
Wow I didn’t know this. We should do well in the track events at this summer olympics then. Oh fattest.......sorry must go to specsavers
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Post by Northy on May 19, 2021 7:50:46 GMT
Wow I didn’t know this. We should do well in the track events at this summer olympics then. Oh fattest.......sorry must go to specsavers A good excuse to see this advert again
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 19, 2021 8:17:02 GMT
Wow I didn’t know this. We should do well in the track events at this summer olympics then. Oh fattest.......sorry must go to specsavers A good excuse to see this advert again Haha, excellent, haven't seen that in years. Of course nowadays it would be banned for being too scary or sexist or something. Sorry, wrong thread...
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